Talk:Biphobia

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This article requires attention for the following reason(s): Much of the article reads like an essay. It needs more references to back up many of the claims made.

What about

Bisexual erasure? I.e. the explicit or implicit assumption or statement that bisexuality does not "really" exist or if it does is a minor phenomenon... As it is common among both straight and homosexual people, we might consider it the "last acceptable bigotry" Avengerofthe BoN (talk) 01:12, 20 August 2015 (UTC)

What about it? It's already covered within the article. Wèàšèìòìď^{Methinks it is a Weasel} 06:44, 20 August 2015 (UTC)

I don't see the word used and / or defined. Avengerofthe BoN (talk) 14:45, 20 August 2015 (UTC)

...the word? Wěǎšěǐǒǐď^{Methinks it is a Weasel} 20:45, 20 August 2015 (UTC)

I imagine they mean the word "erasure" or the phrase "bisexual erasure". 142.124.55.236 (talk) 21:06, 20 August 42015 AQD (UTC)

That phrase is used & defined within this article. Wéáśéĺóíď^{Methinks it is a Weasel} 21:11, 20 August 2015 (UTC)

I guess they missed that section then. 142.124.55.236 (talk) 21:20, 20 August 42015 AQD (UTC)

Its not just references that are lacking

Reading this article gives me no indication of how widespread biphobia is or if it even exists at all. No examples are given. I realise the lack of references is already known, but the 4 refs given (a 5th ref isnt actually a ref) 3 are in one section and dont talk about biphobia and other is hardly clearcut biphobia. What form does this biphobia take? Are people ostraciised by society, friends or family? Is abuse verbal or physical meted out? Hateful portrayals, stereotypes, and demonising in the media? I honestly dont know because i have seen any of it beyond the tired joke of they just 'greedy'. And as the article this is always just a throwaway joke (just before suggesting it might be meant as a terrible slur). I am not convinced any of things mentioned in the article is can be construed as biphobia rather as misunderstanding the nature of bisexuality. I'm sorry if you are bisexual and you have experienced biphobia, but i have not seen it. Enlighten me, because this article doesnt. AMassiveGay (talk) 09:48, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

Reverend Black Percy (talk) 13:15, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

Yikes. You can start here, I guess. Bisexual people have much higher rates of minority stress, mental health problems and suicide than gay and lesbian people because they get to deal with both homophobia from outside the LGBT community and biphobia from inside it. Gay and lesbian people can find a safe haven and community within the LGBT community but there's no haven for bi people, unless they can find a bi-specific group, which is relatively rare since most bi people join the bigger LGBT groups first and give up on organizing entirely once they're chased out of those. --24.108.52.222 (talk) 05:47, 5 June 2019 (UTC)

Needs Work

I made some mostly-cosmetic changes because I was bored today, but there’s a lot missing here. Bisexual erasure, i.e. people just not believing that bisexuality is a thing, is pretty key, but it doesn’t get much attention here. Another accusation leveled at bisexuals is that they spread disease (especially HIV and Hep C) from gay to straight people, i.e. that they spread disease from “bad” to “good” people. Those two things are some of the most virulent forms of biphobia, but are not at all a focus here. Quantheory (talk) 06:58, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

I want to say this.

Something that might should be added somewhere that the whole point of being bisexual is that you get attracted to both sexes. To me, saying that bisexuals can't go to Pride parades cuz they can get attracted to the opposite sex is like saying that Nintendo Switch can't get a reward for best home console cuz you can use it a handheld console.--Deli-delibirda! (talk) 08:51, 10 January 2020 (UTC)

irrational hatred or fear of bisexuality?

That implies the existence of rational hatred or fear of bisexuality. I'll take it out. Revert if you disagree. - Immigrant laborer (talk) 16:52, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

I see what you mean and I understand the logic, but I don't think there is such an implication. Phobia is typically understood as an "irrational fear". And although 'biphobia' is not in Merriam-Webster (which I personally find to be a form of bi erasure...), it defines 'transphobia' and 'homophobia' as an "irrational fear of, aversion to, or discrimination against homosexual/transgender people" respectively. RW's own article on homophobia uses the term "irrational fear".

So I think it'd be best to be consistent and say "irrational fear" but keep 'hatred' as it is. Earl wilmore (talk) 02:36, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

Works for me. Thanks! - Immigrant laborer (talk) 15:40, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

I always thought that "irrational x" (x being the state of mind of someone: fear, hatred, happiness, sadness, etc) was unnecessary as it adds extra weight when this does not improve the definition of the word by much if at all. Hell, since we're on the topic, there is such a thing as "rational hatred" and it is mostly tied to Narcissism.

The definition of Rationality per RationalWiki: "Rationality is the use of logical reasoning in the areas of discourse and problem-solving."

And, I have lived long enough on this Earth to notice that there are people who hate other people rationally, though not in the sense that you would expect. This is a "quality" of Sociopathy, and possibly Psychopathy, their logical reasoning for their hatred of a group of people can be summed up as "self-worth", "grifting" and "attention", as opposed to irrational hatred where the person is paranoid, for example your average terf who thinks transpeople are out to get them, that's irrational hatred because the reasoning is not there, it is entirely missing.

I consider that the definition of the term should just include "fear, or aversion to Bisexual people" without mentioning whether it is rational or irrational. It adds nothing of worth to the article and being an asshole toward a group of people is still being an asshole toward a group of people, regardless of whether it is done with rationality or irrationality. (Profile) - (Spoke!) 16:05, 18 September 2021 (UTC)