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Energy drinks

Is there any non-anecdotal evidence for the claims made about energy drinks (with or without alcohol)? Wèàšèìòìď^{Methinks it is a Weasel} 21:12, 17 January 2014 (UTC)

...Guess not. ΨΣΔξΣΓΩΙÐ^{Methinks it is a Weasel} 22:45, 22 February 2014 (UTC)

I'm not sure I necessarily have the time to sort through the studies myself, but these resources contain links to various scientific studies on the effects of caffeine and taurine (two of the most common ingredients in energy drinks). Any deleterious effects of energy drinks would be caused by their comparatively high caffeine (or to a lesser extent taurine) levels. That said, the average energy drink is approximately equivalent to an espresso shot, so it should be noted that energy drinks are not inherently more dangerous than drinks taken with espresso or caffeine pills taken directly. - Grant (Talk) 23:25, 22 February 2014 (UTC)

As for mixing energy drinks with alcohol, I don't think there's much more to that than the idea that you're mixing a strong stimulant with a depressant. I'm not sure what kinds of studies have been done on the results of that kind of combination. Alcohol and caffeine are individually well-studied, but I haven't run into too much information on the both of them together. - Grant (Talk) 23:27, 22 February 2014 (UTC)

Risks and abuse(purified form)

I'm not sure how on mission it is, but I think there's probably plenty of caffeine-based woo out there. And being a stimulant, the risks of using it in pure form aren't zero. ikanreed ^{You probably didn't deserve that} 20:51, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

Consider yourself grumbled at. Caffeine is caffeine; as far as I'm aware there's no notable difference between drinking a cup of coffee and swallowing the equivalent amount of caffeine powder. There could be if the other stuff in the coffee affected the absorption of the caffeine, but I'm not aware of any evidence showing a significant difference. Of course caffeine has risks, as does any drug, but the risks of non-insane amounts of caffeine consumption are fairly low. Caffeine is more or less grouped as a nootropic by the nootropic community (though there does seem to be awareness that it may have mixed effects on cognition and isn't some magical wonder drug); is that what you're referring to? Otherwise I'm not aware of much woo relating to caffeine, though I certainly think we should mention it if it exists. Also this is completely off-topic but are you aware that it's customary in English to put spaces between a word and a parenthetical statement, just like you put spaces between words? I'm mentioning this because I see you do it regularly and it bugs me. Yes, I have Asperger's. Don't take this personally. --Ymir (talk) 15:39, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

Okay, but here's the thing. Delivery. The amount of purified caffeine in an energy drink is like an 8th of a teaspoon. The amount you could consume in a half second with the crystaline form is a lot bigger. The dose makes the poison, and most of the casual forms don't have large doses. ikanreed ^{You probably didn't deserve that} 15:43, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

Well, yeah, if you take lots of caffeine, you will experience the effects of taking large amounts of caffeine. The "standard" dosage usually given for caffeine by itself is 100-200 mg, which is roughly the amount in a usual cup of coffee (Wikipedia's article has a fancy table). Is there anyone advocating that you should take huge doses? That would be worth discussing in the article. I'm aware that there have been a trickle of dummies winding up in the ER after consuming huge amounts of caffeine, often from energy drinks, but this is miniscule compared to many, many other drugs. APAP (a.k.a. acetaminophen, paracetamol, Tylenol) consumption leads to thousands of deaths every year just in the U.S. And let's not even get started on alcohol. Media hyping of caffeine overdoes is standard moral panic stuff: New and Strange Things (in this case, energy drinks) threaten your Precious Bodily Fluids and your children! Be Afraid! Actually come to think of it maybe we could mention this in the article. --Ymir (talk) 16:05, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

IIRC, the LD50 for caffeine equates to about 70-odd cups of tea. In a caffeinated drink, even an energy drink, the water would probably do you a mischief before the caffeine would. As for dangerous quantities of pure caffeine, unless we have some examples of caffeine woo that seem to skirt close to that limit, it's probably not relevant. Queex_{chthonic murmurings} 16:10, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

Welp: http://consumerist.com/2015/03/06/father-of-teen-poisoned-by-caffeine-powder-files-lawsuit-blaming-his-death-on-supplement-makers-amazon/ Queex_{chthonic murmurings} 11:07, 9 March 2015 (UTC)

Edit discussion

Regarding this, that statement seems a little strong to me (maybe it needs a little milk!). Sure, lots of people consume caffeine, but there doesn't seem to be much stigma associated with not consuming it. I'm not aware of people being made fun of for not drinking coffee. As someone who doesn't drink alcohol, I know there's definitely a bit of a stigma there in Western culture, since going out and drinking is the Certified Adult Fun Time Activity. --Ymir (talk) 12:25, 28 June 2016 (UTC)

Try having the discussion "No I won't have coffee" at every single social gathering where coffee is commonly consumed. Maybe it's a thing that differs from country to country but when I have a coke or something non-alcoholic at a social gathering where alcohol is consumed I will probably receive no more than "You driving today?" and if I say I don't feel that well or I want to try going out without having a drink or being on medication or whatever people accept that. When it comes to caffeine, tough luck. Laurogeita Hamabost (talk) 14:42, 28 June 2016 (UTC)

Is caffeine really healthy or wise to consume?

Obviously this article, and the majority of the world is convinced that coffee/caffeine is just about the best thing ever. The Internet has no shortage of people peddling coffee's health benefits. However, Wikipedia goes into depth on the many side effects the drug has which many people ignore. Honestly, adderall sounds like a better stimulant.—Hamburguesa con queso con un cara  (talk • stalk) 07:19, 31 January 2018 (UTC)

"Anti-caffeine movement"

Oh god. Chillpilled (talk) 17:14, 3 May 2023 (UTC)