Talk:Cognitive dissonance

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cognitive dissonance vs. CD and religion

Question: this article is kinda scattered right now, with what seems to be a blend of emphasis on CD as an actual biological function necessary for survival, and the focus on religion/cults/etc, making it read kinda of awkward from a scientific/cognition point of view. Do you all think the science should be emphasized first, or the more mundane relevance of "how the hell can you make the world 6000 years old, when there are stars?"Godot Warning, chocolate will make your clothes shrink 14:20, 15 September 2011 (UTC)

It does need a bit of a scrub, I think. Certainly emphasise the history of it because the experiments with cults is fascinating. Then go into the specific examples below. ADK^{...I'll untie your dystopia!} 14:32, 15 September 2011 (UTC)

You got it. Theory of Mind, here I come! :-) Godot Warning, chocolate will make your clothes shrink 14:35, 15 September 2011 (UTC)

Schizophrenia

Googling around with this, it seems like an interesting connection and there are some questions about it. But is there enough research to suggest that there's a strong connection between the two? It's just that the section on cumulative CD seems very dramatic. I'm not aware enough about the psychology of schizophrenia to really assess it myself. ^{d hominem} 21:48, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

Last paragraph is nuts

The last paragraph of this article cites no supporting evidence for its claim that:

"...a human being who would actually go through such an event without that protection would end up in a state of complete inability to accept himself/herself and to choose the “right” actions for even the simplest situations, making it impossible for him/her to continue living."

There is no evidence that cognitive dissonance makes it 'impossible to continue living'. Has an extreme bout of CD caused someone to commit suicide? Probably, but the VAST majority of the time CD occurs, nobody kills themselves over it, or is suddenly unable to do 'simple tasks' like obtaining food and shelter, in order to 'continue living'. The whole article is of poor quality, but this is the worst part. In the real world, by far the most common result of CD is that someone catches themselves BSing and feels a little sheepish over it.

And what's with the 'note' that seems to not be coherent?? Is that some kind of lame attempt by the author to look like a reference?? ^{— Unsigned, by: 108.180.92.37 / talk / contribs}

I agree completely, the last paragraph is incoherent, and I came to the same conclusion about the notes that you did. The whole article is very weak conjecture, which is surprising for such a popular term. FairDinkum (talk) 08:07, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

Which note? I presume you speak of the one that contains the "collaboration with a genocidal army" metaphor, which I expanded in order to elaborate on a point that had already been made in case anyone missed it. --Luigifan18 (talk) 19:10, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

This article needs work - it's a citation desert

This article needs serious work. There are only three citations that are not from Wikipedia, one of which is an attribution of a quote while the other two simply establish that cognitive dissonance is a term and who coined it. Much of what this article refers to as 'cognitive dissonance' is actually plain old delusion, rationalization, or paranoia. I would like to see a lot more academic citations, because I don't think this article gives an accurate description of cognitive dissonance, or at least a good portion of it doesn't, and as the article progresses it approaches gibberish. The notes are unnecessarily unwieldy as well, and should be integrated in the article if they are sound. I think the notes might be an attempt to mimic the appearance of citations. I might consider re-writing this myself, with proper citations and no conjecture. FairDinkum (talk) 08:04, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

Hmm. Yeah, I wrote the mini-essays and I’m proud of them, but I'll admit that this page trails off explaining what cognitive dissonance actually is partway through and starts going into the lengths people will go to in order to avoid it. By the end, it starts looking like it's about a different subject entirely. --Luigifan18 (talk) 16:41, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

Awful example of relying on bad sources

The Franz Fanon 'quote' was placed here in 2017[1] and stayed until 2023 when I took it out. The fabricated quote is:

“”Sometimes people hold a core belief that is very strong. When they are presented with evidence that works against this belief, the new evidence cannot be accepted. It would create a feeling that is extremely uncomfortable, called cognitive dissonance. And because it is so important to protect the core belief, they will rationalize, ignore and even deny anything that doesn't fit in with the core belief.

Although it is widely used on the internet and even in a presumably peer-reviewed book (War on Terror and American Film: 9/11 Frames Per Second), there is no evidence that Fanon ever wrote this. It has even been falsely attributed to a well-known book that Fanon wrote (Black Skin, White Mask).[2] Bongolian (talk) 16:32, 23 December 2023 (UTC)