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I'd just like to say
I know fuck all about Pokémon (fake or otherwise) and, frankly, I'd like to keep it that way. But this has my wholehearted support as an official RationalWiki mascot. Spud (talk) 15:48, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Aw, thanks. That's specifically what Azureality was designed for.
- I find it interesting that you picked the shiny color specifically. The default palettes for Azureality and Crimsolusion follow the common red-and-blue juxtaposition in the Pokémon series (as well as the color schemes of the Democratic and Republican Parties), but I specifically chose to have the shiny coloration of Azureality be grey because that color is associated with RationalWiki. --Luigifan18 (talk) 16:13, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
You absolute lunatic
You've just pissed me off. Under no circumstances should you EVER talk about shoving people into gas chambers or "taking a machine gun to the Republican convention and mowing all the conservative bastards down." I don't care what kind of plausible deniability bullshit you use to justify this kind of language, it's not fucking okay. That's not the kind of language a normal fucking person ever fucking uses. "Mowing all the conservative bastards down", like fucking really? You've already been yelled at for wishing death on people in block logs and shit, and now you're hijacking a topic I started to be like "oh well if the Republicans start killing a bunch of people, maybe then I'll be able to machine-gun them". Not okay. I just wanted to express my frustration at an unjust execution, and you turned it into this. Fuck you. 
Chef Moosolini’s Ristorante ItalianoMake a Reservation 14:00, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
- I'm strictly talking about a total worst-case scenario here. I don't actually support massacring anybody under any circumstances where a less bloody and dramatic solution is at all viable (hence why I cited the actual point Popper made with the paradox of tolerance). The thing about "Godzilla Threshold" solutions is that, while they might be cathartic, they don't tend to make your situation all that much better. --Luigifan18 (talk) 14:40, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
- It's a "hypothetical" that shouldn't be discussed at all, and especially not in those terms. And it should NOT be cathartic. What the FUCK. "Cathartic"? And let's not forget, you barged into a discussion that had nothing to do with that all so you could talk about mass shooting people you don't like. That's majorly fucked up.
Chef Moosolini’s Ristorante ItalianoMake a Reservation 14:46, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
- Catharsis often has to take a backseat to pragmatism, and in pragmatic terms, I agree — mowing down the Republicans would make us just as bad as they are, which is why the only time it would be at all acceptable is if it is absolutely necessary to prevent even greater destruction and loss of life. Again, "Godzilla Threshold" solutions tend to not be much of an improvement to the original problem; if Godzilla is your only hope for stopping King Ghidorah from flattening Tokyo, then Tokyo's probably done for either way. If anything, I was shooting down my own "idea" by stating that it's essentially the sort of psychopathic garbage that Republicans would advocate for and stating that we are and need to be better than that. It's better to prevent Holocaust 2.0 from happening to begin with via diplomacy, democracy, and cooler heads prevailing than to stop it partway through by beating down the perpetrators. --Luigifan18 (talk) 14:55, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
- I know a BoN’s comment is a drop in the ocean, but can you tell fiction from reality? Your comments and violent tendencies being shown in your comments doesn’t look like you can. You literally made a call for violence in the SB and it rightfully got removed. You’re on very thin ice as it is, and you seem to throw pity parties to try to game the system into your favor. Please think things over because you’re likely going to be blocked permanently and you have no one to blame for this situation you’re in except yourself. You made the call for violence, you posted these violent fantasies and many have voted yes to have you permanently banned. There may not be a chance for appealling the ban with the way you have acted in the past year. Please get help and there are many mental health resources on the internet. The cooler heads prevailing comment is ironic when you didn’t have a cooler head with interacting with people on here. Just remember, wherever you go, please take this time to think things out. I’m not a troll and please heed this advice when you go to wherever you go next. 2607:FB91:3082:F91:396D:F8FA:DF5E:E907 (talk) 02:51, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, I can tell fiction from reality, thank you very much. I was talking about a hypothetical situation that I hope never comes to pass in which violence might regrettably be necessary. I do think that this is a mountain out of a molehill where people grossly misinterpreted what I said, but I also blame myself for saying something that could be misinterpreted the way it was in the first place. (Just because something might be "heroic" in a given set of terrible circumstances doesn't necessarily mean that it's glorious or even morally right — sometimes it just means bringing a disaster to a halt and then trying (and possibly failing) to live with what you've done. The greater heroism lies in preventing a terrible situation that requires drastic action to resolve from becoming a thing in the first place.) I’m getting help for this in a few of days; I already have a behaviorist and I've informed her all about this mess, including sending her a link to the chicken coop. I think the next thing for me to do is to work on curbing my anger towards bullies, bigots, etc. once and for all and trying to see the good in people. Once I can comfortably talk about bad people without wishing for ghastly things to happen to them, I think I might be ready to rejoin RationalWiki. Until then… I can hardly hear to show myself around here. --Luigifan18 (talk) 07:45, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- I know a BoN’s comment is a drop in the ocean, but can you tell fiction from reality? Your comments and violent tendencies being shown in your comments doesn’t look like you can. You literally made a call for violence in the SB and it rightfully got removed. You’re on very thin ice as it is, and you seem to throw pity parties to try to game the system into your favor. Please think things over because you’re likely going to be blocked permanently and you have no one to blame for this situation you’re in except yourself. You made the call for violence, you posted these violent fantasies and many have voted yes to have you permanently banned. There may not be a chance for appealling the ban with the way you have acted in the past year. Please get help and there are many mental health resources on the internet. The cooler heads prevailing comment is ironic when you didn’t have a cooler head with interacting with people on here. Just remember, wherever you go, please take this time to think things out. I’m not a troll and please heed this advice when you go to wherever you go next. 2607:FB91:3082:F91:396D:F8FA:DF5E:E907 (talk) 02:51, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- Catharsis often has to take a backseat to pragmatism, and in pragmatic terms, I agree — mowing down the Republicans would make us just as bad as they are, which is why the only time it would be at all acceptable is if it is absolutely necessary to prevent even greater destruction and loss of life. Again, "Godzilla Threshold" solutions tend to not be much of an improvement to the original problem; if Godzilla is your only hope for stopping King Ghidorah from flattening Tokyo, then Tokyo's probably done for either way. If anything, I was shooting down my own "idea" by stating that it's essentially the sort of psychopathic garbage that Republicans would advocate for and stating that we are and need to be better than that. It's better to prevent Holocaust 2.0 from happening to begin with via diplomacy, democracy, and cooler heads prevailing than to stop it partway through by beating down the perpetrators. --Luigifan18 (talk) 14:55, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
- It's a "hypothetical" that shouldn't be discussed at all, and especially not in those terms. And it should NOT be cathartic. What the FUCK. "Cathartic"? And let's not forget, you barged into a discussion that had nothing to do with that all so you could talk about mass shooting people you don't like. That's majorly fucked up.
Coop
A case involving you has been raised at the Chicken Coop. Feel free to comment.
"Hopefully I'll be able to calm down after Kamala wins the election and Trump is thrown in jail."
So what happens if any part of that very specific scenario does not happen? What if Trump wins? What if Kamala wins but Trump is not thrown in jail? Are you going to go vigilante and try to throw him in jail yourself, or do what you described as "heroic" at his victory party? Frankly, you'll be lucky of someone doesn't report you to Secret Service for these comments, especially when two people have already attempted to assassinate the former President. 71.208.249.110 (talk) 13:36, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
gg my guy
Wikipedia draftspace would appreciate someone like you for grammar skill i got some articulo that need some — Unsigned, by: LearsI / talk / contribs
- I don't do much on Wikipedia these days, but RationalWiki is far from the only wiki that I actively grammar-patrol. (But seriously, could you show me some links of what you want proofread? I'm game to help out.) --Luigifan18 (talk) 18:24, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
How to appeal
@GeeJayK Uh, how exactly am I supposed to appeal a permaban, or show proper contrition for my actions and learning from my mistakes? Regardless of whether the pi-month or permaban passes, I'm already extremely ashamed and humiliated by how horribly I miscommunicated and offended everyone here, so I wouldn't feel ready to return until December at the absolute earliest, but I'm seeing the writing on the wall and I want to start making plans for the future soon. --Luigifan18 (talk) 18:23, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
- First step is to not touch this website for a long time and contribute to other projects. 2600:387:15:3C1A:0:0:0:9 (talk) 18:25, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, I already get that. It's part of my plans. (I did say "December at the earliest", which implies that sometime later is more likely.) I'm trying to think about steps two, three, and four. --Luigifan18 (talk) 18:30, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
- You'd probably need to show evidence of improved offsite behavior. And two months is not enough, you'd probably require years before an appeal is remotely viable. Plutocow (talk) 19:00, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
- Okay, how would I do that? Links to social media posts or edits on other wikis? (Also, not gonna lie, the idea of requiring several years is a bit depressing…) --Luigifan18 (talk) 19:16, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
- Linking to your accounts and allowing people to look over your posts/edits would be a way. Having a mod/admin from another site vouch for you would be a good sign, but don't harass anyone to get them to do this for you. Since the main concern with you is a complete lack of maturity, it's gonna take a long time to actually show substantial improvement in that regard. Plutocow (talk) 19:22, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
- No idea. You should probably ask a mod. That being said, since permaban is supposed to be longer than 3 months, I don't think that December is enough time. GeeJayKWhere all evil dwells Where every lie is true 19:38, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oh, Plutocow already answered. GeeJayKWhere all evil dwells Where every lie is true 19:38, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
- Again, I said "at the earliest". I agree that December is too soon… I only brought it up because I planned to discuss the topic ban at that time, and, well, that's clearly not happening. I probably will need more time to contemplate and overcome my mistakes (and overcome my own disappointment with myself for causing drama and outrage here way too many times… I genuinely like and respect each and every one of you). I was just hoping to be able to continue working on my Progress & Regress Pokémon project sooner rather than later. It's basically a big advertisement for and gateway into RationalWiki, and it's tied to Pokémon Gen IX, so I feel like I'm on a bit of a timer to get it polished to a state I'm satisfied with… --Luigifan18 (talk) 20:22, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
- (P.S. How would I link to other accounts? And is there any way I could maybe ask some of my IRL contacts to vouch for me?) --Luigifan18 (talk) 20:24, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oh, Plutocow already answered. GeeJayKWhere all evil dwells Where every lie is true 19:38, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
- No idea. You should probably ask a mod. That being said, since permaban is supposed to be longer than 3 months, I don't think that December is enough time. GeeJayKWhere all evil dwells Where every lie is true 19:38, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
- Linking to your accounts and allowing people to look over your posts/edits would be a way. Having a mod/admin from another site vouch for you would be a good sign, but don't harass anyone to get them to do this for you. Since the main concern with you is a complete lack of maturity, it's gonna take a long time to actually show substantial improvement in that regard. Plutocow (talk) 19:22, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
- Okay, how would I do that? Links to social media posts or edits on other wikis? (Also, not gonna lie, the idea of requiring several years is a bit depressing…) --Luigifan18 (talk) 19:16, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
- You'd probably need to show evidence of improved offsite behavior. And two months is not enough, you'd probably require years before an appeal is remotely viable. Plutocow (talk) 19:00, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, I already get that. It's part of my plans. (I did say "December at the earliest", which implies that sometime later is more likely.) I'm trying to think about steps two, three, and four. --Luigifan18 (talk) 18:30, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
--It's-a me, 
🎄LeftyGreenMario!🎄 21:30, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oh, come on! I'm already pissed off at myself for putting my foot in my mouth, spitting a volcanic take, and alienating everyone here! I do not need to be jerked around and treated like a pest!! I… if anything, I need reassurance that my situation's not completely hopeless, because I'm very sad and I know I let you all down again and you deserve better than to deal with me being a fucking dunce. (Oh, and good to see you back on the site, LGM. I was wondering where you were and what you were up to.)
- As for "meatpuppetry", I'm talking about seeking advice and advocacy from some people I've known for years and are well aware of my good and bad points, and can probably advocate for me better than I can advocate for myself. That's not meatpuppetry, that's… uh… character referencing? Like in a job interview or something? Sorry, I'm kinda losing the plot here. --Luigifan18 (talk) 21:38, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
- We have all come to the conclusion that, in your current state, you are unfit to continue on RW. If you're going to bring references, they have to be able to advocate that you've improved from your current behavior, not to try to act as a sort of defense lawyer as to what you're doing now. Further, if you want to convince people, it would be better to hear it from someone unlikely to be biased in favor of you as opposed to your friends who are predisposed to defend you no matter what. Plutocow (talk) 21:44, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
- Damn, bro must have put in so much effort to revive leafy green boy. 2600:387:F:D1A:0:0:0:6 (talk) 21:44, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
- The thing is, I'm actually rather horrified with myself for what I've recently done. I never meant to be so offensive or to make this community look bad. This incident has been a wake-up call that I need to put serious effort into being less… vindictive towards people who do terrible things. Yes, I've wished harm upon bad people in the past, but always out of concern for their victims. No more. I… I can't carry on getting so hot under the collar at the sight of people getting hurt that I lose all sense of reason or kindness. If I want to protect people, that's what I need to focus on doing. --Luigifan18 (talk) 21:51, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
- I will forever remember the laughs that you brought our way. RIP Luigifan18. Gone but not forgotten. Carthage (talk) 21:52, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
- Yep, this is goodbye for a few years at least. I hope to see you again sometime. --Luigifan18 (talk) 20:16, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
- I will forever remember the laughs that you brought our way. RIP Luigifan18. Gone but not forgotten. Carthage (talk) 21:52, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
- The thing is, I'm actually rather horrified with myself for what I've recently done. I never meant to be so offensive or to make this community look bad. This incident has been a wake-up call that I need to put serious effort into being less… vindictive towards people who do terrible things. Yes, I've wished harm upon bad people in the past, but always out of concern for their victims. No more. I… I can't carry on getting so hot under the collar at the sight of people getting hurt that I lose all sense of reason or kindness. If I want to protect people, that's what I need to focus on doing. --Luigifan18 (talk) 21:51, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
- I’ll be the guy to say it right out, since it doesn’t seem that anyone else has: the answer to “how do I appeal a permaban” is “you don’t.” Hope that helps ❤️ Chef Moosolini’s Ristorante ItalianoMake a Reservation 21:13, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
I'll have to clarify this one last time because you seem to have misinterpreted my advice (yet again). Nobody is going to care about your Pokémon project no matter what wiki you go to. The only reason we still have it is because we're extremely lenient about what can be placed in userspace (the majority of wikis will delete off-topic stuff rather swiftly). The only wiki that you might get away with putting that stuff in is EverybodyWiki, and that's basically a spam site. Basically, you aren't shopping around to try to find a site that will save you from your predicament. Any site that you try to do that in will quickly come to hate you as they simply don't care about RationalWiki (just as we don't care about 1d6chan or whatever). You shouldn't try to plan an appeal at this point. What you should do is plan to fix your behavior, actually improve your behavior, then and only then should you remotely consider an appeal. If you're just going to harass online communities to try to get them to act in your favor, it isn't going to work and will just make you an internet pariah and I implore you to cease this immediately. In fact, a good first step to improving would be to drop this obsession for good. Plutocow (talk) 22:25, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
- Would it OK to put this shit in front of afd, once Lulzfan is banned? Arcadium Trancefer (talk) 22:36, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
- Yeah. I'd probably be neutral on deletion since it's basically unreadable and thus I can't be sure whether or not it contains objectionable content, but you're free to put it to a vote. Plutocow (talk) 22:39, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
- Fixing my behavior before trying to appeal is the plan. And I'd appreciate it if you didn't delete my big project. I'd like to be able to pick up where I left off on it if and when I come back. --Luigifan18 (talk) 22:49, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
- It's if, and a really huge if at that, and not when. You can save the source in a notepad file if you want, but we are not under any obligation to keep your content. And the fact that you have a timeframe and are shopping around on other sites for a "character witness" (that will not help you, we've witnessed quite enough of your "character") suggests that you are not taking this seriously and trying to continue with your old habits. Just get a hobby or something, what you're doing now isn't working and is never going to work. Plutocow (talk) 22:56, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
- Fixing my behavior before trying to appeal is the plan. And I'd appreciate it if you didn't delete my big project. I'd like to be able to pick up where I left off on it if and when I come back. --Luigifan18 (talk) 22:49, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
- I feel it's gratuitous to go trying to AfD stuff he posted outside mainspace. He might like to look at it, and probably very few people will even stumble across it. Nominate it if you want but I think it just serves to drag this out. Chillpilled (talk) 23:28, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
- Yeah. I'd probably be neutral on deletion since it's basically unreadable and thus I can't be sure whether or not it contains objectionable content, but you're free to put it to a vote. Plutocow (talk) 22:39, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
- You can't appeal a permaban. That is what "permaban" means-permanent ban. It lasts permanently. That is what permanent means.-Flandres (talk) 22:58, 30 September 2024 (UTC)