Talk:Darwinism
Actually[edit]
Actually, I'm not sure that this definition:
- Darwinism is a derogatory phrase used by creationist and Intelligent design proponents to describe evolution.
is correct. Richard Dawkins doesn't use it that way at least. --Bobbing up 05:05, 3 July 2008 (EDT)
- Not that I've any kind of credentials whatsoever but I've always looked at Evolution as the process of evolving to adapt to the environment in order to survive, and Darwinism as more survival of the fittest. But, like I said, I've never peerreviewed a paper and am not qualified. --*Gen. S.T. Shrink* Get to the bunker 05:09, 3 July 2008 (EDT)
- Actually, reading the introduction to the wikipedia article it looks like another of those terms which depends on the user.--Bobbing up 05:15, 3 July 2008 (EDT)
- Well, it's very possible it began as derogatory like Big Bang with Fred Holye and Queer. But this quote "In the United States, Darwinism in modern usage is usually a pejorative term employed only by creationists" makes it seems like it is to us idiots over here. --*Gen. S.T. Shrink* Get to the bunker 05:17, 3 July 2008 (EDT)
- Yes, while Dawkins in the UK is quite happy to use it a synonym for "evolution". From his front page: He is well known for his atheism and his forthright criticism of religious doctrine. In the forthcoming Channel 4 series Dawkins on Darwin he argues that Darwinism provides a more thrilling view of creation than any religion. --Bobbing up 05:31, 3 July 2008 (EDT)
- Well, as a general rule, I accept what he says about Evolution more-so than what America says. Just on principle. --*Gen. S.T. Shrink* Get to the bunker 05:35, 3 July 2008 (EDT)
- Yes, while Dawkins in the UK is quite happy to use it a synonym for "evolution". From his front page: He is well known for his atheism and his forthright criticism of religious doctrine. In the forthcoming Channel 4 series Dawkins on Darwin he argues that Darwinism provides a more thrilling view of creation than any religion. --Bobbing up 05:31, 3 July 2008 (EDT)
- Well, it's very possible it began as derogatory like Big Bang with Fred Holye and Queer. But this quote "In the United States, Darwinism in modern usage is usually a pejorative term employed only by creationists" makes it seems like it is to us idiots over here. --*Gen. S.T. Shrink* Get to the bunker 05:17, 3 July 2008 (EDT)
- Actually, reading the introduction to the wikipedia article it looks like another of those terms which depends on the user.--Bobbing up 05:15, 3 July 2008 (EDT)
- Not that I've any kind of credentials whatsoever but I've always looked at Evolution as the process of evolving to adapt to the environment in order to survive, and Darwinism as more survival of the fittest. But, like I said, I've never peerreviewed a paper and am not qualified. --*Gen. S.T. Shrink* Get to the bunker 05:09, 3 July 2008 (EDT)
Proposal[edit]
What would you say to this rewrite?
To some, mainly in the USA Darwinism is a derogatory phrase used by creationist and Intelligent design proponents to describe evolution[1] and although Charles Darwin is a seminal figure in the modern theory of evolution and his contribution is certainly recognized, there have been over 150 years worth of advancements since his initial publication of The Origin of Species. A problem with this phrase is that science is about evidence and not personality cults. While great contributors to a field of study are respected, they are not worshiped and revered like a guru. It is interesting to note how this mentality of assigning Darwin as the supposed "worshiped father of evolution" reflects the creationists' need for a worshiped father figure to be the head of everything. It is like calling believers of gravity "Newtonists" or believers of relativity "Einsteinians." To others, including Richard Dawkins, a foremost authority on the subject it is simply a synonym for evolution.[2]
Various permutations of the term bump around the internet and blogs, such as Darwinist to describe a vocal proponent of evolution, or neo-Darwinism, an attempt to somewhat overcome the main objection to the phrase.
See Also[edit]
--*Gen. S.T. Shrink* Get to the bunker 05:44, 3 July 2008 (EDT)
darwinist definition[edit]
I describe myself as a darwinist simply because of the sinonym it has with natural selection. — Unsigned, by: Delphinidea / talk / contribs (signed by bot) 01:38, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
Attribution[edit]
Some content from http://evolutionwiki.org/wiki/Darwinism 32℉uzzy; 0℃atPotato (talk/stalk) 01:00, 9 January 2016 (UTC)
Footnotes[edit]
- ↑ From the Beagle to the School Board: God Goes Back to School, Morris Sullivan, Impact Press, Spring 2005.
- ↑ http://www.richarddawkins.net/ See front page