Talk:Dennis Kucinich

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Cleveland Public Power...[edit]

While I agree that Kucinich, in the past few years, has certainly descended into that mematic kookery infecting the US left right now which I call "the crypto-Trumpist, Putin and Assad-loving left", this article's characterization of Kucinich's term as mayor is way off the mark.

From Wikipedia:

...In December 1978, Mayor Dennis Kucinich refused to sell the company when a number of banks, which were heavily invested in Muny Light's privately owned competitor, the Cleveland Electric Illuminating Company (better known as CEI or The Illuminating Company) refused to roll over the city's debt, as had previously been customary. This was seen as a bad move at the time - unable to pay its debts, the city became the first since the Great Depression to enter default - but Kucinich's decision was later vindicated by both city officials and the U.S. Senate, which found that CEI and the banks had acted improperly.

In December 2006, a new commissioner for CPP, Ivan Henderson took over the reins from the incumbent James Majer. Under the new commissioner's guidance CPP is poised to take over the streetlight maintenance from CEI.

And so, if yunz don't mind, I'm removing the bullet item describing this - since it is hardly a strange thing and indeed was a rare case of strong public-interest leadership by a political leader. (talk) 02:33, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

Between the extraterrestrials, his late conversion to abortion-rights (until 2004, he had a perfect "pro-life" voting record), and his knee-jerk opposition to free trade, he is the only Democrat who could make me consider voting Republican. (And how, may I ask, does he intend to promote world-wide cooperation by removing us from these treaty organizations?) Researcher 13:09, 9 January 2008 (EST)

I must admit the free trade thing seemed a bit odd when I saw it. Extraterrestrials? do tell!--Bobbing up 13:48, 9 January 2008 (EST)
I don't remember the exact specifics, but Shirley MacLaine said that Kucinich had told her that he'd seen an alien and that it had left a message in his brain. When pressed about it, he basically acknowledged that he'd been visited by aliens. Researcher 14:05, 9 January 2008 (EST)
and his knee-jerk opposition to free trade, he is the only Democrat who could make me consider voting Republican.

(I know I'm replying to a comment from 2008, get over it.) There is evidence that the effects of free trade agreements such as NAFTA have been pretty terrible for the people that live in the neighboring Latin American countries, and in particular, Mexico. Not to mention the effect it has had on the domestic manufacturing sector. I do realize that cranks and various nutters also are a part of what makes up the anti-free trade brigade, but it's not an unreasonable position to take to criticize various FT agreements and free trade in general. Kucinich's views about UFOs, New Age woo and other strange silliness aside, the way that the two-party system is, if someone holds principles that lie in contradiction to the majority view of the party (in Kucinich's case, the Democratic Party) it's difficult, if not impossible to find co-sponsors to bills you put forth if you're the type that keeps to his or her principles.

What's also interesting is that the left-wing parties in Western and Northern Europe criticize free trade agreements and anti-"piracy" measures like ACTA being implemented, and it's far from being controversial. With the Democratic party's shift more rightward to where the moderate GOP used to be, it's not surprising that actual progressives like Kucinich get mocked and marginalized within the party. I will agree, though, that his mercurial shift on abortion, etc., don't help his cause. (talk) 11:14, 5 October 2012 (UTC)


Sheep? Wazza (Not Wazzock, Wazza)Approach the Presence 04:24, 16 June 2008 (EDT)

His hawt wife...[edit], like thirty years younger than him. Dude is my hero. P-Foster (talk) 03:49, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

Um Yeah...anyways Pegasus changed the caption, with the summary of "That's just sexist!!" He got revert right away with an even worser sexist summary, "Twerp. She's hot. I'd do her and she'd love it" by Nightwish.
Either caption works for me though I think we ought to save the SPOV for the article proper. I do get the point of "how could such a nebbish geek like Denny could wind up with such a hawt broad!" but perhaps she's doing some sort of penance for sins in a previous life? 19:22, 20 May 2011 (UTC) C®ackeЯ

Is he really that notable?[edit]

While I like him as a good progressive voice in the House, there's plenty of other good people that we might as well have articles on - Bernie Sanders and Barbara Lee, for instance. Is an article on him really necessary? It's not like he's a major candidate for President. Mr. Anon (talk) 22:41, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

We have an article on him because he has some pretty nutty beliefs.--"Shut up, Brx." 22:47, 27 May 2012 (UTC)
Lots of Congressmen have nutty beliefs. I'm pretty sure there's at least one Scientologist in the House. Mr. Anon (talk) 22:51, 27 May 2012 (UTC)
I thing we should keep an article on this guy. Not a lot of congressmen have claimed to have encountered a UFO. The fact that there are people more deserving of an article then this guy does not prove that this guy does not deserve an article. Sir Onion Kneel before my vegetable might! 23:13, 27 May 2012 (UTC)
Let's see, Dennis Kucinich is not notable enough for an article, but Gary Johnson is. Got it. I think. Secret Squirrel (talk) 00:27, 3 June 2012 (UTC)
I proposed the Gary Jonson article
  1. After this discussion took place.
  2. Because Johnson is a prominent presidential candidate. I never objected to articles on Ralph Nader or Ross Perot; Johnson may well turn out to be equivilant.
Mr. Anon (talk) 01:38, 3 June 2012 (UTC)

Let's just make something clear: I have nothing against Kucinich. I personally believe that much of the hate he gets (on his personal beliefs and his food lawsuit) is unfounded. That said, if we are going to have him primarily for his progressivism, there's quite a lot of other people in congress to have articles on. People don't seem as eager to create articles about them, so that's why I proposed deletion based on noteworthiness. Mr. Anon (talk) 01:46, 3 June 2012 (UTC)

Write articles about all of them - all the politicians - as long as there is a "mission" hook somewhere. Add, don't delete. ħumanUser talk:Human 01:58, 3 June 2012 (UTC)
He's a kook. Ergo article. ТyrannisPlead 01:49, 3 June 2012 (UTC)
He has a hot wife, ergo, article. ħumanUser talk:Human 01:58, 3 June 2012 (UTC)