Talk:Extraterrestrial
Alien 'life'[edit]
Will mention this in case it gets developed by the alien involvement group. Anna Livia (talk) 12:40, 28 May 2019 (UTC)
The real 'aliens have landed' movie[edit]
Can be found here. Anna Livia (talk) 16:39, 26 September 2019 (UTC)
External link[edit]
Will mention this. Anna Livia (talk) 12:20, 24 June 2021 (UTC)
Octopi aliens[edit]
Came across this -debunking the idea, but worth mentioning. Anna Livia (talk) 12:03, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
Water water everywhere[edit]
'For whatever reasons' thought of the couple of sci-fi where 'the aliens' came to take Earth's water.
Surely if the aliens have the technology to come to Earth they could set up in their solar system's equivalent of Oort Cloud and Kuiper Belt zones, attach 'rockets or other space moving technology' to a sufficiency of protocomets, transfer them to planetary orbit, process them to remove 'assorted chemicals (space-created organic materials etc) and stones' (which can then be otherwise used) and then send the water planetwards? No problem with natives complaining about the removal of water and having to deal with Earth's gravity. (Can someone else come up with the details of the processing facility?) Anna Livia (talk) 10:34, 21 June 2022 (UTC)
this paper[edit]
i wonder what any of you can make of this. — Unsigned, by: John woo / talk / contribs
- This article is self-published by one of the journal editors which is often a red flag in science publication, though the journal itself reports it goes through a double-blind peer review process so maybe that isn't a problem in this case. Regardless the evidence in question is pretty weak. Microorganisms can end up the stratosphere for all sorts of human caused reasons given the number of things we have sent up there and beyond. Just because the author in question cannot recognize the organisms as having any similarity to any terrestrial organisms doesn't mean that the organisms in question are by necessity extra-terrestrial in origin. Only that it doesn't resemble what we have discovered so far on earth. So as evidence it may suggest extraterrestrial origin, but the evidence in question does not logically entail it and cofounding factors have yet to be sufficiently ruled out. . Only Sort of Dumb (talk) 01:02, 26 August 2022 (UTC).
- Maybe it's in there somewhere, but I can't find the bit where they actually demonstrate that the artifacts actually are, in fact, biological (rather than looking biological). I see no talk of DNA for example.
- I think the article falls into "argument from ignorance" territory when it makes the dramatic claim: "We don't know where they came from therefore they are alien". Rather than the more honest "We don't know where they came from".
- I note that the article dates from 2015. If the article is reliable it is perhaps surprising that there has not been more reaction from the scientific community (who would know a lot more than me) in the intervening eight years.
- That's not to say they haven't discovered alien life. I'm just not (yet) convinced by this.Bob"Life is short and (insert adjective)" 06:13, 26 August 2022 (UTC)
- It's definitely not conclusive - they do accept a possibility that it might have a terrestrial origin. I'd definitely want to see a more thorough analysis than just sticking it under an electron microscope. Isotopic analysis (comparing ratios of isotopes and seeing if they match terrestrial samples) would provide some evidence of an extraterrestrial origin, as would searching for DNA and other molecules. Events such as volcanos can eject matter into the stratosphere, so it doesn't seem too surprising to find some organic matter up there. --Annanoon (talk) 09:40, 26 August 2022 (UTC)
- Looking at the lead author's publications he does seem to have quite a thing for extraterrestrial life and panspermia. I see that his current project is: "First complete (integrated different fields of studies and sciences) applied study of Astrobiology which analyses/tracks the entering event of COVID-19 virus of Outer Space origin onto planet Earth and outlines main confirmations of Panspermia paragim."
- Covid-19 came from space? Who knew?Bob"Life is short and (insert adjective)" 13:23, 26 August 2022 (UTC)
- It's definitely not conclusive - they do accept a possibility that it might have a terrestrial origin. I'd definitely want to see a more thorough analysis than just sticking it under an electron microscope. Isotopic analysis (comparing ratios of isotopes and seeing if they match terrestrial samples) would provide some evidence of an extraterrestrial origin, as would searching for DNA and other molecules. Events such as volcanos can eject matter into the stratosphere, so it doesn't seem too surprising to find some organic matter up there. --Annanoon (talk) 09:40, 26 August 2022 (UTC)
motivation?[edit]
Maybe we need addition to «What we know so far» about motivation of aliens? 1) what and why aliens do (definitely not go for contact, and not plan open full-scale direct invasion - if that was the case, they would have already revealed themselves), 2) assuming aliens exist as depicted by UFOlogists, what earthlings are supposed and/or should and/or would do about it, 3) what is technological level of different aliens (key technologies, weaponry, machines, soft sci-fi physics-defying tech, etc). --Jniawqjinhg (talk) 17:20, 3 July 2025 (UTC)
- No. There is enough nonsense in that section already.Bob"Life is short and (insert adjective)" 19:33, 3 July 2025 (UTC)
- In that case, should we either 1) remove excessive nonsense from section, or 2) make another section, or 3) make another page ("aliens in UFOlogy" or something)? --Jniawqjinhg (talk) 19:50, 3 July 2025 (UTC)
- Or at least, just drop first 2 parts (they were fully described on other pages), and describe the technological level of aliens from UFOlogy. E.G. if aliens use physics-defying soft sci-fi tech - then, that can be used as argument for them likely not existing. --Jniawqjinhg (talk) 19:58, 3 July 2025 (UTC)
- Two extra arguments for inclusion of "technological level of different aliens" explanation: 1) "but aren't the «What we know so far» article meant for nonsense anyways?", 2) "it would be a shame to write a page about Science fiction work, and don't describe technologies - the scientific and/or cool parts - of it". --Jniawqjinhg (talk) 20:43, 3 July 2025 (UTC)
Alien's technologies list[edit]
Well, i tried to remember what aliens in UFOlogy supposedly use. If i missed something - add it. All aliens in UFOlogy seem to use same technologies, and can be "powerscaled" to each other (E.G. if Reptilians can do something, then Grays can also do that) - so for our purposes, all of them are being lumped in single category. "Superscience" tech - soft Science fiction technologies which violate laws of physics as known today - are marked with "^".
As far as i remember, Aliens in UFOlogy have:
- Practical FTL drives (^)
- Impossibly advanced stealth technologies; cloaking fields capable of making ships invisible to telescopes, their ships and jetpacks are completely silent (^)
- Teleportation devices (^)
- Psionics and other kinds of magic (^)
- Pressure suits capable of surviving on the deepest parts of Mariana Trench; space suits
- Extremely advanced paralyzing and stunning weaponry
- Extremely advanced biology and life sciences; capable of inventing humans from scratch, modifying genetic code of others, creating alien-human hybrides
- Advanced robotics and bionics; commonplace sapient robots and cyborgs --Jniawqjinhg (talk) 09:16, 4 July 2025 (UTC)
- Advanced spying technologies, "bugs"
- Way too many experimental "Wunderwaffe" super-weapons and miracle weapons to count (commonly ^) --Jniawqjinhg (talk) 09:16, 4 July 2025 (UTC)
- Absurd conspiracies and overcomplicated schemes (^, due to sheer amount of people and assets required) --Jniawqjinhg (talk) 09:20, 4 July 2025 (UTC)
- Gross negligence; often forget to turn off headlights/flashlights during covert operations, don't have even the basic medical equipment, their patients end up with glass shards, grit and metal shards in their bodies (suggesting highly antisanitary conditions), often walk around their ships naked despite said ships being littered with dangerous shards and splinters
The last part is contradiction. If aliens are incompetent, they would got spotted long ago due to mishap - if they wanted to go for contact, they would land and send diplomatic mission long ago - if they are competent, they would turn off the lights. Likewise, if aliens are competent, their patients shouldn't end up with glass shards in their bodies - and if aliens are incompetent ("meatgrinder surgery"; think Team Fortress 2 Medic or Warhammer 40K Painboyz), then abductees would from time to time come with obvious evidence of being operated on (E.G. body parts being mangled or amputated, large foreign objects stuck in body, blood loss, being dirty or bloodied, lots of ugly scars and crude stitching all over the body, etc). --Jniawqjinhg (talk) 08:58, 4 July 2025 (UTC)