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What a terrible mess.[edit]
With due respect to the authors involved, this page needs work. The rebuttals to the (uncited) claims of the supremacists are too wordy and self-congratulatory, and the claims themselves presented with an unsavory, dismissive attitude. Examples:
- "...used to prove some sort of bizarre doctrine of 'female primacy.'"
- "Another nonsensical argument that female supremacists love to throw around..."
- "Furthermore, this entire argument is blown out of the water..."
I'm not suggesting that we give a false veneer of respectability to the arguments, but if they're obviously false, then let them speak for themselves without so much prejudicing language around them.
Also, there are some obvious problems with the text, beginning with the opening sentence.
- "Female supremacy is part of the female dominance (femdom) scene of BDSM, and is a cult-ish offshoot that shares but is not entirely identical with the female supremacy movement at large."
This article doesn't seem to be about BDSM. Is this a leftover from an earlier, much different article? I can't fix it, because I can't figure out what it should say. Phiwum (talk) 17:31, 10 February 2013 (UTC)
- This article should have nothing to do with BDSM; most fetishes don't leave the bedroom. In fact, it can compromise people if it does. What kind of weird person wrote this? Femdom is nothing more than a female being your dom; it can be to other females, or to males. There's no unifying 'femdom' ideology. It's a sexual fetish. Sounds like somebody was really mad that he was turned on by a dominatrix when he wrote this bullshit. ±
KnightOfTL;DRcritical thinking is the key to success! 18:31, 10 February 2013 (UTC)
- Female supremacy is a really fringe sub-community within BDSM. This article has gotten very bloated and contradictory -- maybe I'll attempt a clean-up/streamline soon. Nebuchadnezzar (talk) 19:47, 10 February 2013 (UTC)
- It is a mess. The first sentence can't even keep its story straight ("Female supremacy is part of the female dominance (femdom) scene of BDSM, and is a cult-ish offshoot that shares but is not entirely identical with the female supremacy movement at large). The text then goes back & forth between these two meanings throughout the article, never quite sure whether it's supposed to be about an ideology or a BDSM scene. I guess it was just written by different editors at different times with different ideas of what they were writing about. Wěǎšěǐǒǐď
Methinks it is a Weasel 23:48, 29 January 2014 (UTC)
- It is a mess. The first sentence can't even keep its story straight ("Female supremacy is part of the female dominance (femdom) scene of BDSM, and is a cult-ish offshoot that shares but is not entirely identical with the female supremacy movement at large). The text then goes back & forth between these two meanings throughout the article, never quite sure whether it's supposed to be about an ideology or a BDSM scene. I guess it was just written by different editors at different times with different ideas of what they were writing about. Wěǎšěǐǒǐď
- Female supremacy is a really fringe sub-community within BDSM. This article has gotten very bloated and contradictory -- maybe I'll attempt a clean-up/streamline soon. Nebuchadnezzar (talk) 19:47, 10 February 2013 (UTC)
- This article should have nothing to do with BDSM; most fetishes don't leave the bedroom. In fact, it can compromise people if it does. What kind of weird person wrote this? Femdom is nothing more than a female being your dom; it can be to other females, or to males. There's no unifying 'femdom' ideology. It's a sexual fetish. Sounds like somebody was really mad that he was turned on by a dominatrix when he wrote this bullshit. ±
Example on the Love-Shy.com wiki webshite[edit]
http://www.love-shy.com/lswiki/Pedestalizing
I know someone who did this. His desperation drove him to the conclusion that women were superior to men; we assume that this sort of adoration was supposed to make girls attracted to him. –Inquisitor Ehrenstein (Talk | Contribs | Ragebox) 02:22, 26 May 2013 (UTC)
Page could use a rewrite[edit]
Should we really be so against the idea that women are superior to men, and deserve better treatment/more rights than them? This whole page strikes me as ancient. — Unsigned, by: Rfmodesty / talk / contribs
- Women are superior to men? In what ways? How is reverse misogyny any better or more rational than misogyny? Old guard (talk) 00:53, 15 January 2016 (UTC)
Is there any evidence for proponents of this viewpoint outside of porn/bdsm?[edit]
I'm asking, because I'm genuinely curious. I can't find any serious advocates of this who don't bill it as part of their sexuality. Just looking at google/elsewhere, this seems to be a mostly BDSM phenomena. And yet, BDSM is just a footnote on this page. Is there a reason for this? Is there evidence that this is a viewpoint at all outside of BDSM? — Unsigned, by: 71.163.133.121 / talk / contribs
- Read this very talk page (the last two entry's before yours) if you have doubt that people really believe that. Also i don't remember the Book but Michael Moore once wrote about how Woman are supreme beings, a viewpoint he still holds, i vaguely remember when he was called out for that on twitter... i think? I am not 100% sure if it was on the Internet or on Telly. It is a Snarl point for Dicks and thankfully uncommon of a viewpoint, nevertheless people hold that view.--Benaresh (talk) 07:55, 20 December 2016 (UTC)
- Yes, there are such people
. They are in the fringe, of course, but they exist. They have a utopia in sight, sometimes imagined as the aftermath to violent revolution, kinda like Marx did. I also have books on feminism which index female supremacism. In it, all men and women who prefer equality between the sexes over political lesbianism for women only are derided as "phallocrats". Reverend Black Percy (talk) 12:38, 20 December 2016 (UTC)
- While I have not found any non-BDSM examples (The ones I did find were fucking disturbing, ugh), my sister acts like women are superior to men. If you met my sister then you would know what I am talking about.--Rationalzombie94 (talk) 03:19, 30 January 2017 (UTC)
- I'm just going to say — several guys I know would say the same about their sister, hands down. But please consider — several girls I know would say the same of their brother in a heartbeat. This is what's actually up in all these cases, dude. Just saying. Reverend Black Percy (talk) 03:37, 30 January 2017 (UTC)
- While I have not found any non-BDSM examples (The ones I did find were fucking disturbing, ugh), my sister acts like women are superior to men. If you met my sister then you would know what I am talking about.--Rationalzombie94 (talk) 03:19, 30 January 2017 (UTC)
John Smith's deleted contributions[edit]
Hi, someone look at my list of contributions to RationalWiki and explain what is going on. I promise, that I won't be able to quit this debate without an understanding of what I am doing wrong until I die of old age. Thanks. — Unsigned, by: John Smith / talk / contribs
Old news worth bringing up.[edit]
I think this old article from 2013 could be another example of this kind of ideological behavior in action. The writer of this article, Hanna Rosin, has gotten little to no repercussions for this sexist opinion page, which consists of five faulty arguments that fail to add up: [1] TheEternalOutsider (talk) 01:20, 2 February 2024 (UTC)