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I gotta re-listen to the ads I hear, but I think these guys sponsor everyone on talk radio, not just Beck. First ad I remember hearing was on Randi Rhodes' show. But I might be mixing up the gold-selling sponsors. ħuman
01:39, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
- I haven't heard any of these ads obviously but from the flow chart I can't really see what the issue is. They are trying to make a buck and if people are silly enough to fall for the horrendous markup then that just confirms what we all know about fools and their money. Are we sure that this isn't just a bit of Glenn Beck bashing? --DamoHi 02:14, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
- It's pretty blatant dishonesty. You seem to be saying that financial scams in particular should be excluded from the same considerations as health scams or religion scams. And Glenn Beck's particular shilling for them is personal dishonesty on his part, and I really don't see how you can imply it isn't - David Gerard (talk) 16:39, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
- Nah, it's just commercials using hosts to read their ads. All my liberal talk radio take their money and read their ads, too. ħuman 05:39, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
- Nah, it's just commercials using hosts to read their ads. All my liberal talk radio take their money and read their ads, too. ħuman
- Well no I am not saying that, but I am saying that if you honestly are told what is being sold and then it turns out later that your investment isn't what you thought it would be worth (mainly because you do no research into the matter) then I can't really see the issue. If however, as the article mentioned in the article states the problems are: "One is that customers say that they were lied to and misled in entering into their purchases of gold coins. And the other group is saying that they received something different from what they had ordered." Then that is a different issue, and one worthy of inquiry. --DamoHi 19:11, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
- It's pretty blatant dishonesty. You seem to be saying that financial scams in particular should be excluded from the same considerations as health scams or religion scams. And Glenn Beck's particular shilling for them is personal dishonesty on his part, and I really don't see how you can imply it isn't - David Gerard (talk) 16:39, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
- To put my point somewhat clearer; I would like to see some actual, concrete misrepresentations before I got too carried away. People who buy a product thinking it is worth more than it is does not in itself constitute a problem. --DamoHi 22:37, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
- Both the Mother Jones article and the Bachman graphic mention that customers were goaded into purchasing the overpriced coins by telling them that the government could confiscate bullion gold, paying below-market rates as compensation, and that collector coins are exempt from this. Given that the relevant executive order has already been repealed, was apparently never strictly enforced anyway and included compensation at market levels, this is misleading and yet another trick to exploit fears of an out-of-control government, which in turn is exactly the nonsense Beck promotes. Sure sounds like a scam to me, even if it's not illegal. Röstigraben (talk) 07:08, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
- OK you win this one. I agree it does seem dodgier than I realized at first. I am still not entirely sure I will condemn a broadcaster for taking money to advertise a cause, but then I haven't heard these ads so perhaps his involvement is more than just a voice over guy. I feel slightly vindicated that my skepticism has focussed the intention as to what exactly is wrong with the company. I will add some more to the article to reflect this. --DamoHi 08:56, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
- "I feel slightly vindicated that me shitting my pants has meant that the floor has been properly cleaned." Well done! - David Gerard (talk) 09:50, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
- OK you win this one. I agree it does seem dodgier than I realized at first. I am still not entirely sure I will condemn a broadcaster for taking money to advertise a cause, but then I haven't heard these ads so perhaps his involvement is more than just a voice over guy. I feel slightly vindicated that my skepticism has focussed the intention as to what exactly is wrong with the company. I will add some more to the article to reflect this. --DamoHi 08:56, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
- Both the Mother Jones article and the Bachman graphic mention that customers were goaded into purchasing the overpriced coins by telling them that the government could confiscate bullion gold, paying below-market rates as compensation, and that collector coins are exempt from this. Given that the relevant executive order has already been repealed, was apparently never strictly enforced anyway and included compensation at market levels, this is misleading and yet another trick to exploit fears of an out-of-control government, which in turn is exactly the nonsense Beck promotes. Sure sounds like a scam to me, even if it's not illegal. Röstigraben (talk) 07:08, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
- To put my point somewhat clearer; I would like to see some actual, concrete misrepresentations before I got too carried away. People who buy a product thinking it is worth more than it is does not in itself constitute a problem. --DamoHi 22:37, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
There is no cure for 'deliberate stupidity': and investing $10 in the Time Traveller's Fund seems like a better bet. 212.85.6.26 (talk) 17:41, 2 August 2010 (UTC)