Talk:Holocaust distortion controversy on Wikipedia
I hate it when people copypaste references from Wikipedia without removing red links and broken templates[edit]
@MiriamWestmoreland Finish what you've started and clean those references up. Spud (talk) 14:22, 30 April 2025 (UTC)
- Also, the elipses used in the quotes used in the citations are sometimes weirdly placed. Bongolian (talk) 20:48, 1 May 2025 (UTC)
Was this article copied from Justapedia?[edit]
The majority of this article is word-for-word identical to the Justapedia article of the same title.
A lot of Justapedia's content is mirrored from Wikipedia, but this particular article is a Justapedia original. The equivalent content at Wikipedia is just a single paragraph in the "List of Wikipedia controversies" article. The history of the Justapedia article also shows that article being written a little at a time there, mainly by a JP user called "StopAntisemitism2015".
The majority of the Justapedia article was written on April 29, and it appeared at RationalWiki on April 30, so the direction of copying appears to be from Justapedia to here, not the reverse. The original version of this RationalWiki article is more than 99% identical to this version of the Justapedia article, including the same image and all of the same sources. Times listed on Justapedia are U.S. Eastern Standard Time, while on RationalWiki they're Coordinated Universal Time, so when comparing the timestamps of the two article versions, that was the the current version of the Justapedia article at the time when this RationalWiki article was created.
Like most wikis, Justapedia's content is under a creative commons license, so it isn't a copyright violation for that content to be reproduced here, but it needs to be attributed. Tetrapteryx (talk) 12:16, 3 May 2025 (UTC)
- Thank you for bringing this to our attention. Antares (talk) 12:31, 3 May 2025 (UTC)
- My guess is MiriamWestmoreland is the author the Justapedia article. RW:CS doesn't take a clear stance on self-plagiarism, but I'd be inclined to disalloe it. Christopher (talk) 12:52, 3 May 2025 (UTC)
- Perhaps not, as their other article (Marek Jan Chodakiewicz) was plagiarised from Wikipedia. Christopher (talk) 13:10, 3 May 2025 (UTC)
- MiriamWestmoreland also created the Herero and Nama genocide article. Can anyone tell whether there are any plagiarism issues with that one? Tetrapteryx (talk) 14:16, 3 May 2025 (UTC)
- The introduction looks like it's been lifted from somewhere, the Congo is brought up for no good reason etc, but if it was I can't find the source. Christopher (talk) 17:12, 3 May 2025 (UTC)
- I don't have a problem with 'self-plagiarism', when it's acknowledged. I'm fairly certain that there's been acknowledged self-plagiarism on RW before without any problem. There is an authorship problem here though. The original, brief Justapedia article was a ChatGPT version of the a section in Wikipedia,[1] something that we would not allow. The references and quotes in what MiriamWestmoreland presented here were weird and clearly copied, but apparently authentic: problematic for skirting plagiarism, but not necessarily disqualifying. It would be helpful if @MiriamWestmoreland came forward and described what she did here, but I've suspected plagiarism since I first looked at the page. Bongolian (talk) 20:11, 3 May 2025 (UTC)
- The introduction looks like it's been lifted from somewhere, the Congo is brought up for no good reason etc, but if it was I can't find the source. Christopher (talk) 17:12, 3 May 2025 (UTC)
- MiriamWestmoreland also created the Herero and Nama genocide article. Can anyone tell whether there are any plagiarism issues with that one? Tetrapteryx (talk) 14:16, 3 May 2025 (UTC)
- Perhaps not, as their other article (Marek Jan Chodakiewicz) was plagiarised from Wikipedia. Christopher (talk) 13:10, 3 May 2025 (UTC)
- My guess is MiriamWestmoreland is the author the Justapedia article. RW:CS doesn't take a clear stance on self-plagiarism, but I'd be inclined to disalloe it. Christopher (talk) 12:52, 3 May 2025 (UTC)