Talk:Ideology

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Ideology and science.[edit]

It is sometimes claimed, by defensive ideologues, that science itself is an ideology. It might be useful to add this topic. There has been a lot written about the effect science has had on ethics and morality, and transpired into ideology. A number of ideologies have presented as scientific or anti-scientific. Many ideologies can actually be graded as scientific (by percentage) or unscientific (with a zero grade). Economic ideologies are of the former kind, while most religious ideologies (all?) are of the latter variety.Ariel31459 (talk) 17:07, 30 June 2017 (UTC)

I don't see any logically intrinsic overlap between "ideology" and "science", per se. I mean — science is done by human beings, and human beings often subscribe to ideologies, but... It seems far fetched to list "science" as a subheader of "ideology" as a result. Reverend Black Percy (talk) 18:21, 30 June 2017 (UTC)
A page on "science is an ideology" could be interesting, if you can find high-profile people saying such. oʇɐʇoԀʇɐϽʎzznℲ (talk/stalk) 18:26, 30 June 2017 (UTC)
Science itself doesn't contain a blueprint for building a utopian society, even if the builders of utopias have claimed that their plans are scientific. - Smerdis of Tlön, LOAD "*", 8, 1. 18:28, 30 June 2017 (UTC)
Though it'd be hard to argue that a utopian society would not be based upon scientific principles... Cømяade FυzzчCαтPøтαтø (talk/stalk) 18:34, 30 June 2017 (UTC)
Though I'm highly sceptical of a claim that Science itself is an ideology, it does have ideological roots in that is assumes an objective underlying reality to the world that can be discovered through observation. This ties into Kantian Phenomenology, that noumenon may or may not exist, but its an irrelevant and vacuous speculation from a human perspective. The real link between ideology and science is that ideology ascribes weight and meanings to Scientific observation. What people sometimes call identity politics liberalism gives a great deal of weight to observations of historical oppression and injustice certain groups have been subjected, a lot of conservatives give much more weight to facts about the choices individuals within those groups currently make. User:Nabirius/sig 15:25 22 November 2018

Ideologism[edit]

Here is a relevant term I have seldom heard: Ideologism (https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/ideologism) is an analogue of Scientism carried over to the misapplication of ideology to a problem outside its domain of discourse. Scientism, in its extreme form, presumes science can solve all human questions. Science then becomes wedded to an ideology, and therefore some of its results become susceptible of being declared unscientific, or unfalsifiable. Examples of ideologisms: quack science posed in religious arguments against scientific theories such as evolution and climate change, or certain gender claims about ontological status of biological sex, e.g.,(https://www.quora.com/Is-Nicholas-Matte-correct-that-there-is-no-such-thing-as-biological-sex). Thus an ideologism is often an attempt to answer a question at least partially dependent on nature with a blunt ideological method.Ariel31459 (talk) 18:04, 1 July 2017 (UTC)