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--JorisEnter (talk) 05:31, 6 April 2016 (UTC)

You know[edit]

Instead of writing "this article sucks!!!" a whole bunch, you could [1] fix the article or [2] give more constructive criticism on the talkpage. For example: "this article sucks because [X]!!!" Fuzzy. Cat. Potato! (talk/stalk) 15:51, 6 April 2016 (UTC)

You know: I didn't really do that.: The article is a stinker. Wow. Free Thought Blogs has been abandoned to the slanderous ravings of Pissy Myers. Ariel31459 (talk) 04:25, 6 April 2016 (UTC) The supporters of this article are unconvincing. The blog is crashing and burning because P. Z. Myers is an hysterical and unethical feminist smerf.Ariel31459 (talk) 15:09, 6 April 2016 (UTCAriel31459 (talk) 15:57, 6 April 2016 (UTC) What do you expect? A link to a picture of PZ in his Papa Smerf costume?Ariel31459 (talk) 15:59, 6 April 2016 (UTC)

The problem is that none of that is constructive. You say, "Myers is an hysterical and unethical feminist smerf". What does that comment tell us to do? How does the article change to make you happy? Fuzzy. Cat. Potato! (talk/stalk) 16:28, 6 April 2016 (UTC)

I should think that "Myers is an hysterical and unethical feminist smerf" is quite constructive: it is an accurate description. In the same way that the sentence "That tree is a white oak," is a descriptive sentence. The fact that Myers is a slanderous sycophant of feminist dogma is useful in understanding why his blog site is floundering.

Talk pages[edit]

Learn how to indent your fucking posts.--JorisEnter (talk) 21:17, 12 July 2016 (UTC)

Thanks.Ariel31459 (talk) 21:41, 12 July 2016 (UTC)
By the way, your comments tend to be the epitome of the unfunny. You ought to consider blocking yourself for a while. Maybe for the time it takes you to flip ten tails in a row. Ariel31459 (talk) 21:47, 12 July 2016 (UTC)
Learn how to use the humble colon to indent. Colons have uses beyond keeping your head warm. StickySock (talk) 21:51, 12 July 2016 (UTC)
Thanks much. And may your socks remain sticky for many years to come!!!Ariel31459 (talk) 15:05, 13 July 2016 (UTC)

What's your point?[edit]

So you are saying that because women are a source of sexism against women, it's not a problem? StickySock (talk) 20:31, 2 February 2017 (UTC)

I was not aware that anyone looks at my user page. The text you are inquiring about is a short contribution to the 'Privilege' talk page. It is unfinished. I understand your impression that it is related to sexism and the responsibility of women with respect to maintaining Patriarchy viewed as a complex of social constructs. It is not about blaming women for their own out-of-favor sexist behaviors. The last sentence states the point: the first example of privilege in the 'Privilege' article deals with this very issue. My point is only that it is an ambiguous and possibly incorrect example of Privilege: It is other women who will not accept promiscuous women as friends. It seems unreasonable to interpret this as an unfair advantage or privilege that men have, because most women don't want it. My point is, the reductionist approach characterized by " This seems unfair, therefore [privilege]" doesn't always work: not every objectionable behavior can be reduced to a priviledge in the sense that is defined. Ariel31459 (talk) 00:09, 3 February 2017 (UTC)

And how exactly does the gender of those discriminating against women affect whether or not women are discriminated against?
As I've said elsewhere...
1) It might technically not be privilege, but the difference is pedantry that matters about as much as whether the volcano next door is spewing magma or lava; the more important thing is that you do something about it, not whether you get the name right.
2) If you are getting this worked up over pedantry, chances are you don't really care about it at all and are trying to use the issue as part of some form of wedge strategy, whether that's denying there's gender discrimination of any form or some nonsense about how men suffer more than women from discrimination. Never mind that discouraging women from being promiscuous kind of hurts men too... CorruptUser (talk) 00:51, 3 February 2017 (UTC)
It doesn't by definition. I honestly don't understand why you would suppose my answer could be otherwise. But you can't define your way out of the problem I have posed: the so-called privileged class is not the class denying the privilege to women, which ipso facto brings into question whether an actual privilege is involved. I am arguing about whether an example is a good example. This is meant to be a technical discussion about a single example. The point is not whether there is discrimination, it is whether the discrimination can rightly be called due to privilege. I don't see how it can. It is not meant to attack the idea of privilege. You actually write, "It might technically not be privilege," and I say fine, then we agree. Then maybe it should not be the first freaking example of privilege in the article on that subject. How deep do you want to bury the body? Ariel31459 (talk) 01:13, 3 February 2017 (UTC)

Hey dude[edit]

Could you think about maybe indenting your posts a bit more carefully in the future? It only takes one more colon (:) to indent properly; you don't need like five more than the post you're replying to has. I'd appreciate it if you could stick to proper indentation, as it mucks up our talkpages when you add like a dozen colons at random every other post you write. Thanks in advance! Reverend Black Percy (talk) 21:36, 3 February 2017 (UTC)

Yes. So, you got stuck with house keeping? Is it some kind of punishment?Ariel31459 (talk) 03:58, 4 February 2017 (UTC)

Moved your article[edit]

To Everyone is racist, since people use different phrases for the second part (and that way the title doesn't have special characters like "-" in it).

Also: An easier way to draft your article is to use User:Ariel31459/sandbox. :) FU22YC47P07470 (talk/stalk) 17:43, 29 June 2017 (UTC)


Because of your edits to and time on the wiki, wizard Sysop has been added to your user rights. Feel free to let your newfound ᴘᴏᴡᴇʀ course through your veins. Once the high wears off, see RationalWiki:Sysop guide for more information. If you have questions, goat ask away. Christopher (talk) 12:34, 1 July 2017 (UTC)

I'm still high.Ariel31459 (talk) 18:25, 2 July 2017 (UTC)
OK! I'm down now.Ariel31459 (talk) 15:06, 25 July 2017 (UTC)

Reformed troll?[edit]

Haha, "Ariel" is another example of a useless female messing with wikis. Sterilize girls!

Some articles could use a style editor[edit]

@Christopher Some of the higher priority articles in this wiki are in need of repair with regard to style. I think this is evident in highly contested articles, e.g., "Men's Rights Movement," which now has over 300 authors. I do not want to be seen as sea-lioning on sensitive subjects, and therefore my suggestion is not to change ideas structuring the thrust of an article, but to improve literal presentation. The problem, I think, arises when an article has been overwhelmed by authors incessantly revising it, making additions and deletions seemingly without regard for good style, mainly grammar, syntax, and diction. Balance in the emphasis on various subtopics, information content, and funniness, are also harmed by legions of authors, but improvement in those areas would require subject expertise to edit properly Ariel31459 (talk) 15:43, 19 July 2017 (UTC)

Blocking James[edit]

Umm... why? You barely bother to provide a reason. RoninMacbeth (talk) 23:07, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

I didn't get this either. I know sometimes tempers can flare and egos can get in the way, but when edit war gets so bad that someone calls on us to have a debate on a specific page to discuss it, I can't really do that if I'm blocked. James Earl Cash (talk) 23:14, 23 July 2017 (UTC)
Please provide an answer in the next hour. If not, I'll unblock James since he has done nothing wrong that I can see. RoninMacbeth (talk) 23:20, 23 July 2017 (UTC)
Apparently he's unblocked me. I really don't mind one way or the other, I just hope cooler heads will prevail in the end. James Earl Cash (talk) 23:35, 23 July 2017 (UTC)
Thank you. Sorry about intruding like that. RoninMacbeth (talk) 23:37, 23 July 2017 (UTC)
S'all good man :) James Earl Cash (talk) 23:38, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

@RoninMacbeth Perhaps I overstepped when I blocked James. I think he was being a vandal because I attempted to make the disputed text less one-sided. I didn't try to censor his opinions, but only correct a few errors, and added several clauses to remediate the mild hysteria being expressed in the Laci Greene article. This he regards as bad writing. I know, I'm not special.Ariel31459 (talk) 00:15, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

I just want to add here, I think reverting someone's edits back to yours when they've made objections to you in the history section, without any argument from your part, and then going so far as to block them when they take issue with your silence and continued edits, is a bit of a hasty judgment. That's all, I didn't think the conflict would get this testy. Hopefully this can all get resolved shortly. James Earl Cash (talk) 01:12, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

RW interviews Ariel31459[edit]

Because I don't have a friend here to ask interesting and provocative questions I thought it might be informative and fun to ask them myself.
RW: How long have you been a ratwick?
Ariel31459: what?
RW: Oh! A rationalwiki member. Sorry. That's my pet name for us all.
Ariel31459: I see...
RW: So, anyway, how long have you been a member?
Ariel31459: On and off for about a year now. Recently a very nice person gave me a mop, and I am learning how not to make a mess.
RW: I see. Well let's hope you succeed at that, at least. But I must ask you about this "transphobe" thing you have.
Ariel31459: Yes?
RW: what do you mean by saying you feel transphobic sometimes? Do you hate trans people?
Ariel31459: It is a jest. More prescisely, it is kidding on the square.
RW: Meaning?
Ariel31459: Well, that I don't think I am a transphobe, but I might be one.
RW: that doesn't seem to make sense.
Ariel31459: that's right, now you are getting it. We all could be transphobic, even trans people, and not even know it. See, lots of people are called transphobic, and they don't even know about that because the people who think so are not well-enough connected to get their opinions "out there". But that doesn't mean they are wrong. For all we know everyone south of the Mason-Dixon line is a transphobe. But if they are, that would make being transphobic not much different than getting chicken pox. Yeah, there is something wrong about it, but everyone has it and it isn't your fault.
RW:So, you don't hate trans people? Ariel31459: I hope not.
RW: Do you want them in your bathroom?
Ariel31459: Well, not all at once. I don't know how many of them that there are, but it could get crowded in there.
RW: No, very funny, I mean for your sex, as an X, do you want transX people to use your bathrooms?
Ariel31459: Well yeah, sure, if they say they are Xs then that's what they should do. But then, I'm an X, I think I should only speak for Xs. Honestly I think Ys should feel the same way, but if they don't, well, there's that problem.
RW: So, great, maybe. Would you consider becoming a part of the transsexual awareness and advocacy movement?
Ariel31459: wait, is that a real thing? I mean is there an actual group going by that name?
RW: well there is the National Transgender Advocacy Coalition, among a number of others in the US. All together, you could refer to them as a movement. Ariel31459: Well, in theory yes. I'm a little old to go on long marches though. But I'm not going to just repeat stuff other people say about it. I mean, I don't know a lot about transgender issues. How do I know that the person educating me possesses the aegis of scientific opinion?
RW:I guess that's a judgement call.
Ariel31459:Yeah, but what if I'm not really good at that? But, say I am. I almost never meet trans people, as far as I know. My sister-in-law has a transmale nephew. But I never see him. He lives in New York. I'm a firm believer in taking care of the things nearby first, and I hate to travel. I don't make jokes specifically about trans people because as far as I know they are not distinguished in a way that even makes humor possible in any obvious way. I think its the people who make dubious claims about trans people that can be hilarious.
RW:So you have no experience with trans people at all, besides your sister-in-law's nephew?
Ariel31459: Yeah, except for movies and TV. Theatrical experiences, basically. Although, there was a person I ran into who took me really aback once in an out-of-the-way coffee house. I was there with some friends and this person who looked a lot like Howie Long, only wearing a pleated skirt, walked in and sat down at the next table from where we were seated.
RW:Howie Long?
Ariel31459:He played football for the Oakland Raiders for 13 years. He played a position called "defensive end" which you have to be really big to play well. He is 6'5" and close to 300 pounds, I think. And built like a rock statue. So,...anyway, I couldn't stop stealing glances because his appearance was so remarkable.I don't know if the term "trans person" would have been appropriate. It could have been that he was trying to win a bet. Something like,one of his drinking buddies made a bet like "You look so tough and intimidating, nobody in that coffee house will dare to say a word to you if you walk in there wearing a skirt." Back then, I wouldn't have even known what "transwoman" meant. Now I'm 6'1", 230lbs, and I was intimidated. You could call it an incidence of transphobia I suppose. Hell it could be a case of pediophobia. I guess you get used to these things. Then again, that was the only experience like that I can remember.
RW:You just mentioned telling jokes. Are you a comedian?
Ariel31459:No. Not at all. I just think that sometimes humor is refreshing, and I do like a joke now and again. What I was driving at was, if I really hated trans people I think I would make jokes about them, you know, given my particular personality. Instead, I see them having a handicap. Not physical, but social. I like to make jokes about people who should be able to take it in good humor. If I make a joke about someone and it hurts their feelings, I don't say "too bad kid, I thought it was funny!" I feel bad about it, and I don't make the same kind of joke again about that person. You don't know what you'll get sometimes. I guess that's what makes it interesting to me.
RW: So, how would you summarize your thoughts today about trans people?
Ariel31459: I would say that unless you go to YouTube and search for their videos, it is likely that you will never know for certain you have seen one or heard their opinions. From what I have been able to discover in the media, they hold a variety of diverse opinions. From what I can tell, there is no transsexual definity with regard to identity. Politically they are as diverse as any demographic group. It is probably a mistake to think of them as a similarity group at all, rather than as an ordinary demographic set. They are a set of individuals associated with the prefix "trans". There is no reason I can think of that makes them fit together in a group any more coherently than say, the set of all women and men
RW: Let's take a break.
@Koidevelopment It was kind of you to assist. Thanks.arielNoFlyingMonkeysPlease31459

I added the <br/> tags in because I think that's what you were going for. McHanzo <3 02:44, 26 July 2017 (UTC)
@Ariel31459 No trouble at all. Glad to help. Koi "I could really use an animator because I have so many ideas floating around in my head" development 03:34, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

Cluck cluck cluck[edit]

A case involving you has been raised at the Chicken Coop. Feel free to comment.

TestingAriel31459 (talk) 14:32, 16 October 2017 (UTC)

Recent edit[edit]

Can you clarify what you meant in this edit? CowHouse (talk) 23:56, 12 November 2017 (UTC)

@CowHouse Thanks for asking. I don't want to fight with you about this. Let me start by saying I don't defend Thunderf00t for many of his attacks on certain feminists. I think he merits criticism. He can be a jerk. Is he sexist? Yeah, I think so, kind of. Is he a misogynist? No. I can't see it. While I'm being honest about him, let me say that I detest P.Z. Myers by reputation. Mainly because of this and the fact that he is a potty-mouthed, wanna-be public intellectual trying to make his reputation by destroying others. This is the Newt Gingrich theory of politics. Again, I won't fight with you, and thanks for asking.Ariel31459 (talk) 13:39, 13 November 2017 (UTC)
I think you're getting ahead of yourself, I wasn't looking to argue with you. I was asking for you to explain what your sentence means. "Consider the source certainly applies to Freethought Blogs as it has been referred to as the Little Shop of Hatred." Consider what source? CowHouse (talk) 14:40, 13 November 2017 (UTC)
Sorry. I don't trust/respect the source of the controversy, i.e., Freethought Blogs and P.Z. Myers in particular. I'll try again.Ariel31459 (talk) 16:04, 13 November 2017 (UTC)