Talk:Iron

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Don't worry

Don't worry. Plenty of references and images are available and will be supplied. I am surprised that there is no page for iron.Pbrower2a (talk) 05:21, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

@Pbrower2a Do you have any idea how to embed images on MediaWiki properly? (Profile) - (Spoke!) 11:03, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

That's not cool, TC. Kntai (talk) 11:11, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

Apparently not. I welcome people to do this.All so far are public domain, mostly from Wikipedia.

I hope I have an interesting draft here. We have articles on other elements, some of them obscure and rare, but not iron, one of the most important elements in existence?

For polishing the images... thank you immensely. Wiki is an obvious source of images. Pbrower2a (talk) 03:16, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

Missionality

The draft in its current state is not very missional, and would likely not be accepted to mainspace in its current condition. Since I don't want your work to go to waste, here's some things you can talk about in the article to make it more missional:

• Banded iron formations — currently some of our best evidence for an old Earth
• The steel industry — the monopolies of the Gilded Age, the effects of neoliberalism and outsourcing, the environmental impacts, etc.
• Iron in medicine — anemia, any potential alternative medicine that uses iron, iron deficiency in veganism and misconceptions thereof
• Perhaps what iron in meteorites can tell us about the history of the universe?

If you add information on these, you should be able to keep the current information, though it could use to be a bit more organized. Plutocow (talk) 20:17, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for the tips. Banded iron formations are strong evidence of an old Earth and one of the more effective, if subtle, refutations of creationism. The role of iron in economic history is also important. Iron meteorites demonstrate the commonness of iron. Iron meteorites (if not planetisimals) are likely contributions to the iron in the Earth.

It is my suspicion that photosynthesis released the oxygen that not only reduced the greenhouse effect; the corrosion of exposed iron metal on land and in the seas resulted in the extrication of much of the oxygen of the air and hence a great reduction of atmospheric pressure. The oceans apparently went red from rust as rust sequestered oxygen. In accordance with the perfect gas law, lower pressure of the atmosphere meant colder temperatures -- much colder temperatures. Just before a worldwide Ice Age the Earth's average temperature was about 15 C (288 K, which is about what the Earth is now) to about -40 C (233 K). To be sure, albedo effects from a rapidly-expanding ice-sheet might have played its role, so it might not all be the result of a loss of pressure.

Structure in a Rationalwiki project depends upon sections, implicit or otherwise. I understand that sections are not generally accepted in drafts, but "Iron woo" for quack medicine and of course the refutation of the abominable garbage of young-earth creationism that makes a mockery of scientific education.

Here is the hope that I can create and establish an article on one of THE most important of all the elements.

There is also a lot of folklore and woo about iron that could be added here. Iron is useful for repelling fairies, and its widespread use probably explains their absence from much of their former range. Astrology and alchemy associate iron with the planet Mars, the god of war, and hence of iron and steel weapons. Meteoric iron was known and worked well before the process of smelting was ever invented; this was quite scarce and therefore prized. Smerdis of Tlön, wekʷōm teḱsos. 04:52, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

I even took a swipe at one of the stupidest phenomena of the intellectual cesspool, Holocaust denial.Pbrower2a (talk) 05:48, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for adding sections

I like what I see so far. Thank you!Pbrower2a (talk) 10:46, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

Going back further

Is it necessary to go back a bit further to Earth's formations and iron's original source coming from the nucleosynthesis that occurs in stars? This would directly contradict the idea that an omnipotent entity did it (made Earth at all) by offering the simpler explanation that the Earth formed from aggregate matter. BumblingBuffoon (talk) 11:15, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

It explains that the iron in the Earth's crust (aside from recent iron meteorites and buried iron objects) is originally (mostly) from stars that formed and died before the Solar System came into existence. That those stars are themselves older than the Earth obviously refutes the young-earth creationism. Pbrower2a (talk) 04:48, 23 October 2021 (UTC)

Bridge image

This is of the Bosphorus bridge in Istanbul. I could have as easily picked the Golden Gate at San Francisco or the Mackinac Bridge in Michigan, but we already have plenty of American examples as it is. Britain has some impressive bridges, but I have two images of the RMS Titanic already. Pbrower2a (talk) 00:05, 1 May 2022 (UTC)