Talk:James Allsup

Doxxing is funny

Leaving here in case useful: https://twitter.com/realJamesAllsup/status/901645935599509505 FuzzyCatPotato!™ (talk/stalk) 07:56, 23 November 2017 (UTC)

Whitesplaining

I removed this section. The tone is waaay overblown and the evidence is skimpy:

==Whitesplaining== In a video entitled "Ben Shapiro is a Cuck",<ref>[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OiIN6wLoj0c BEN SHAPIRO IS A CUCK]. James Allsup. October 10, 2017.</ref> Allsup truly shows how much of an ignorant racist he is. He spends most of the video chastising [[Ben Shapiro]] for being apologetic over an extremely racist cartoon his staff posted on Indigenous People's Day. Allsup proceeds to engage in some of the most blatant whitesplaining you will ever see. He claims the cartoon was not wrong in the slightest and proceeds to regurgitate every single anti-indigenous racist stereotype under the sun, ranging from [[noble savage]] myths about the so-called belief of Native American peacefulness to arguments about the perceived technological backwardness of indigenous people: {{quotebox|His website, ''The Daily Wire'', posted this 45-second video in honour of Columbus Day, or, as the left have been describing it, Indigenous Peoples' Day. The video is a comic depiction of civilisation in the new world before and after Columbus arrived. Now, to me and anyone who wants to look honestly at history, this video is accurate. Native American tribes regularly brutalised and conquered each other well before any Europeans got to the new world. To suggest that they all just lived together in harmony is completely ahistorical, and it's also 100% accurate to suggest that living conditions have improved in the new world since the Europeans got here. Things are substantially better now in 2017 than they were in 1491.<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OiIN6wLoj0c&t=1m46s</ref> [...] Shapiro is seemingly falling for this ahistorical meme that all of the native Americans were just peaceful, fun-loving folks who got along together and never hurt each other and all loved each other equally. It's totally historically fiction. They did extremely brutal things to one another, not to mention the extremely brutal things they did to the European settlers. Rape, kidnapping and murder were all commonly used weapons by the native Americans against the European settlers as they came through the 15th, 16th and 17th centuries.<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OiIN6wLoj0c&t=4m5s</ref>}} He claims that the standard of living improved, though completely ignores the {{wpl|Mit'a|utterly brutal slave labor}} indigenous people were subjected to and the systemic oppression and patriarchal enslavement of indigenous women (who were far freer than their European sisters<ref>https://www.zum.de/whkmla/sp/0910/oyn/oyn1.html</ref>).

His statements aren't in-and-of-themselves racist. He doesn't invoke the noble savage myth -- he rejects it. If Allsup is correct that violence was higher in Native American societies than it is 500 years later, his statement that "standard of living" improved isn't on-face incorrect.

Why is the statement shitty? Because it implies that genocide, enslavement, and assimilation are justified if, many generations later, descendants of the oppressed have longer lives and higher incomes. Because it implies that the oppressors intended this increase of standard of living. The implications are terrible -- not Allsup's statement itself.

We do no justice to skepticism with the rebuttal as-is. Mʀ. Wʜɪsᴋᴇʀs, Esϙᴜɪʀᴇ (talk/stalk) 06:24, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

Additionally, "whitesplaining" and "mansplaining" aren't useful terms – especially when discussing a white nationalist. They obviously don't give a shit if they're whitesplaining. Moreover, ignoring or demeaning a person's opinion because of their identity (here, their race) is, to me, fundamentally wrong. αδελφός ΓυζζγςατΡοτατο (talk/stalk) 06:26, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

You don't seem to get the point. As a person of indigenous descent (I'm, as my username suggests, Native Hawaiian), this is essentially a justification for taking our land away and treating us like second-class citizens. Allsup is essentially implying that we couldn't have had a higher standard of living than the Europeans gave us because we're stupid animals (this, by the way, is a guy who believes in myths about race and IQ)

White splaining is a term when a privileged person (namely a white person like Allsup) assumes he knows more about a person's experience because he's white. This is not saying people should shut up because they're privileged, it simply means he's condescending a person of color (me) by assuming he knows my history better.

Hawaiianred (talk)

@Hawaiianred What you posted here is a far better critique than you posted to the page itself. Before, for example, you stated that he invoked the "noble savage" myth -- when he rejected this noble savage myth and instead implied that Native Americans were "stupid animals".

Whitesplaining as you're using it still isn't directly relevant: he's not claiming or implying better knowledge of Native American history than Native Americans (though he certainly is condescending). He's just wrong. 32℉uzzy; 0℃atPotato (talk/stalk) 16:23, 13 December 2017 (UTC)

“Whitesplaining” is not a real term. It is a fictitious SJW term for people on the far left to try to downplay someone’s argue just because they’re white. Ironically, the people who say terms like “whitesplaining” and “mansplaining” claim to be anti-racism and sexism, yet use such obvious idiotic terms in a racist and sexist manner. And people wonder why the left is getting hated on. AIDS Skrillex (talk) 06:16, 15 December 2017 (UTC)

Alt-right terminology

Words like cuck, soy boy, and degeneracy are not indicative of being alt-right nor are they exclusively alt-right terminology. There are many people who use these words that merely identify as conservative or anti-SJW. ^{— Unsigned, by: GreenPython / talk / contribs}

So... I feel like you don't quite get what the Alt-right is/was. This basically all the far-right groups under one banner. Gamergate, the Manosphere, "anti-SJWs", neo-nazis, etc. So... Yeah. You're wrong. ☭Comrade GC☭^{Ministry of Praise} 21:14, 19 October 2019 (UTC)

First Time at RationalWiki

This is my first visit to this website, and, wow, your articles are horribly biased. Maybe I don't get it..maybe this is just a parody of Wikipedia. In any case, I won't be back. I was looking for a useful and intelligent alternative to Wikipedia, and this ain't it. ^{— Unsigned, by: 2601:404:200:4d00:e822:f82e:5d6a:84b3 / talk / contribs}