|
Nominations and Campaigning for the 2024 RationalWiki Moderator Election are now open |
Talk:Joseph McCarthy/Archive1
To-do list[edit]
To be done:
Redirects from 'Joseph McCarthy' and 'Joe McCarthy.'
Add links to Conservapedia (currently unavailable) and Wikipedia.
Otherwise jazz this article up — Unsigned, by: 212.85.6.26 / talk / contribs 18:37, 9 August 2010
- The redirects are done and done.
Radioactive afikomen Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments. 19:28, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
Dr. Who[edit]
Why should we see Dr. Who? This may come as a shock, but not everyone on earth will get Dr. Who references. John Childermass (talk) 22:18, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
Joe McCarthy was right.[edit]
The Venona Project found that the the Soviets had over 250 spies in the United States. Most of them were American citizens who were born in the USA.
The important atomic spies were Klaus Fuchs, Theodore Hall, Morris Cohen, Saville Sax, Harry Gold, David Greenglass, Alan Nunn May, George Koval, Morton Sobell, Irving Lerner, Ethel Rosenberg and Julius Rosenberg.
They gave the blueprints for the "Fat Man" bomb and detailed descriptions of the processes for purifying plutonium to Soviet intelligence. Moonshot926 (talk) 22:31, 10 April 2012 (UTC)
- k, cool. who cares now?--il'Dictator Mikal 22:52, 10 April 2012 (UTC)
- Gasp! Shock! The Russians had spies in the US!!!! OMG!!!!! Oh noes!!! Hey, do you think we might have been spying on them, as well? Nah, we're the good guys. Bob Soles (talk) 22:56, 10 April 2012 (UTC)
- Everybody has spies everywhere. All the time. I used to intern at a company that took a few minor military contracts, and from time to time representatives from other countries would come in to scope out the products offered. Everything on display or in progress in the halls had to be shut away under lock and key in case of security breach. Chinese and Indian customers were especially scrutinized. Spies are Serious Business and we all periodically had to sit through a long, long speech on how to not disclose information to people. Everybody from the CEOs, to the contractors, to the interns. ±
KnightOfTL;DRsufficiently advanced argument still distinguishable from magic 23:17, 10 April 2012 (UTC)
- I've added a section that should address Moonshot's, er, "concerns." Nebuchadnezzar (talk) 20:55, 12 April 2012 (UTC)
- Klaus Fuchs and Alan Nunn May were not American citizens; Morris Cohen was in Europe at the time of the atomic thefts; Moonshot probably means his wife, Lona Cohen, who is responsible for what the Rosenbergs got the electirc chair for. nobsCorporations are people, too. 02:01, 19 April 2012 (UTC)
- More to the point, McCarthy had little or nothing to do with exposing any of those people. The article now says that many of his charges were unsubstantiated. I don't think a single one ever was, but I need to find a cite for that. Godspeed (talk) 02:13, 19 April 2012 (UTC)
- There is always some sort of a spy in a country. Welcome to international politics buddy. --Rationalzombie94 (talk) 19:32, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
- The issue is an American citizen and civil servant employed as an agent of a foreign power, i.e. treason (a capital crime per the Constitution), not just a foreign spy in another country. nobsEpstein didn't kill himself 03:18, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
- There is always some sort of a spy in a country. Welcome to international politics buddy. --Rationalzombie94 (talk) 19:32, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
- More to the point, McCarthy had little or nothing to do with exposing any of those people. The article now says that many of his charges were unsubstantiated. I don't think a single one ever was, but I need to find a cite for that. Godspeed (talk) 02:13, 19 April 2012 (UTC)
- Klaus Fuchs and Alan Nunn May were not American citizens; Morris Cohen was in Europe at the time of the atomic thefts; Moonshot probably means his wife, Lona Cohen, who is responsible for what the Rosenbergs got the electirc chair for. nobsCorporations are people, too. 02:01, 19 April 2012 (UTC)
- I've added a section that should address Moonshot's, er, "concerns." Nebuchadnezzar (talk) 20:55, 12 April 2012 (UTC)
- Everybody has spies everywhere. All the time. I used to intern at a company that took a few minor military contracts, and from time to time representatives from other countries would come in to scope out the products offered. Everything on display or in progress in the halls had to be shut away under lock and key in case of security breach. Chinese and Indian customers were especially scrutinized. Spies are Serious Business and we all periodically had to sit through a long, long speech on how to not disclose information to people. Everybody from the CEOs, to the contractors, to the interns. ±
- Gasp! Shock! The Russians had spies in the US!!!! OMG!!!!! Oh noes!!! Hey, do you think we might have been spying on them, as well? Nah, we're the good guys. Bob Soles (talk) 22:56, 10 April 2012 (UTC)
Title[edit]
Can this be moved to either "Joseph McCarthy" or "Joe McCarthy"? Unless the guy was actually known as "Joseph Joe", putting both in the article title seems pretty fatuous. We don't have pages titled 'William "Bill" Clinton' or 'Richard "Dick" Cheney' etc. ωεαşεζøίɗ
Methinks it is a Weasel 23:27, 10 April 2012 (UTC)
- I'll move. ТyPlease do not click on this 00:20, 11 April 2012 (UTC)
Mary Jane Keeney[edit]
It is often said for all of McCarthy's accusations he was never able to find one communist. That's not exactly correct. In the one case he got right, he actually got wrong. He accused wp:Mary Jane Keeney of only being a member of the Communist Party when she really was a Soviet spy. nobsCorporations are people, too. 02:16, 19 April 2012 (UTC)
- Interesting point, Rob. Godspeed (talk) 02:33, 19 April 2012 (UTC)
- In 1936 FDR appointed wp:Archibald MacLeish Librarian of Congress. Because he was not a librarian, the American Library Association opposed his candidacy, but he was endorsed by the Progressive Librarians Council founded by Mary Jane and wp:Philip Keeney. Soon after MacLeish got the post, Philip Keeney was working at the Library of Congress, handling classified material. nobsCorporations are people, too. 02:53, 19 April 2012 (UTC)