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Beware All Commies Who Enter Here to Have Your Ass Handed to You (rhetorically speaking) on a Popsicle Stick.

Remember how CP used to call Obama a king[edit]

Well, now trump is issuing decrees by tweet ordering businesses to cease doing business with China. Hypocrisy on one hand and slavish devotion to Trump on the other. King Obama indeed.... Acei9 01:43, 24 August 2019 (UTC)

But Trump is the true God-Emperor, afterall he said so.[1] Nobs, thou shalt kneel and kiss thine emperor's ring… piece. Bongolian (talk) 01:49, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
Ave Imperator Commie Lib (talk) 02:04, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
We'll see what Customs and DEA have to say about it. I mean, c'mon, how naive are you guys. Connect the dots. Trump's giving U.S air carriers a heads up. They can try to fly their crap to Mexico or South America, but I doubt that would work. nobsDie fascists! Make America Great! 02:23, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
What the hell are you talking about? Cosmikdebris (talk) 02:41, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
Trump telling FedEx, UPS and the US Post Office to stop flying crap from China to the US. nobsDie fascists! Make America Great! 02:54, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
Everyone at CP freaked out at the “you didn’t build that”, Obama’s communist assault on free enterprise. But King Donald ordering business by decree to not engage with China - no problem. I never figured you for a socialist Rob. Acei9 02:59, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
(ec) That's just plain crazy. Private enterprise is not bound to unhinged tweets from a megalomaniac. Cosmikdebris (talk) 03:00, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
So a tweet has the authority of an Executive Order, evidently. When the EO does come down, FedEx, UPS et al will be grateful for the heads up. nobsDie fascists! Make America Great! 03:11, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
We all know how you and your CP friends work:
Obama “I order business to cease trade with China” = communist monster!
Trump “I order business to cease trade with China” = The Chosen One!
Easy. Acei9 03:18, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
Obama shipped 200,000 manufacturing jobs to China and limited job creation with the ACA employer mandate; Trump was chosen by God to undo Obamunism and end the globalist/Chinese rape of the U.S. trade deficit. nobsDie fascists! Make America Great! 03:32, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
So god chose a vulgar, womanising, blatantly unchristian buffoon as his emissary on Earth? Acei9 03:40, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
Then Trumps decrees set about crashing the markets for the day. But still a god to Rob. Acei9 06:04, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
Nobs, that's heresy and blasphemy of the highest order. Evangelicals have long abandoned the light of the Lord, now they just are flaunting it openly. Oxyaena Harass 06:05, 24 August 2019 (UTC)

Section in which Rob babbles about race for no reason or prompting[edit]

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Ok. I'll come clean. I have a guilty conscience over this. I put a lot of work into researching this:

Maddow uses her show to deliver racist rants against outsourcing jobs to China and India.[2][3][4][5][6][7].The Dark Side of the Outsourcing Revolution, By Naeem Mohaiemen, AlterNet, January 23, 2004.Does Outsourcing Create Racism? Yahoo Answers.Is 'Outsourced' racist? NBC's new comedy, set in a Mumbai call center, is drawing charges that it's culturally insensitive, Review, The Week, September 24, 2010.Outsourced Racism, New Republic, Neera Tanden, May 5, 2010.</ref><ref>"at the World Economic Forum trade a British unionist, Philip Jennings, boldly declared that outsourcing white-collar jobs to low-wage developing countries, especially India and China, would provoke ... opposition of developed-world labour unions to trade liberalisation, especially in relation to outsourcing, imports of cheap consumer goods and labour migration, can easily fuel racism within the West in the 21st century." [2]Transcript: The Rachel Maddow Show, Thursday. October 14, 2010.

On the surface it would appear Rachel Maddow and I have flipped our respective positions. I'll admit, I was wrong to call her racist then, and she needs to admit she is wrong calling Trump supporters racist now. nobsDie fascists! Make America Great! 03:54, 24 August 2019 (UTC)

This isn't hard to understand: In 2010 I called opponents of free trade racists, as represented by Rachel Maddow (see footnote 5 especially). In 2019 it appears Maddow and I have flipped our positions - she's a big critic of Trump who is undoing free trade policies - I've adopted the position of opposing "imports of cheap consumer goods and labour migration" which "can easily fuel racism within the West in the 21st century." I was wrong then to call Maddow a racist, and she needs to admit her error now calling the anti-free trade movement "racist." nobsDie fascists! Make America Great! 18:29, 25 August 2019 (UTC)
You are a racist. Trump is a racist, his policies are designed to negatively effect ethnic minorities (and minorities overall). You support him, therefore you support his policies, therefore you you support racism, therefore you are racist. Whether you admit this fact is irreverent. ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 18:38, 25 August 2019 (UTC)
Oh by the way, there's no debating or discussing these facts. I've met the burden of proof, and showed a chain of causation, you're either dishonest or in denial. ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 18:40, 25 August 2019 (UTC)
And my conversion to being pro-tariff is not a matter of convenience. From the late 1970s until 2014 I embraced the Reaganesque line (which traces its origins to FDR & Truman) that free trade promotes democracy. By 2014 (and there are recorded discussions of this in RW archives) I began dismissing this idea with the realization that free trade only strengthened tyrannical regimes (China and Iran as examples). True, Trump held these views since at least 1986, and I never fully embraced them until after Trump put his foot down and proved he was serious, going against the Washington consensus with Chinese tariffs. I am not alone among GOPers, who used to regard the anti-free trade movement as racist, until the Midwestern rednecks spoke out in 2016 and said they would rather have jobs than government provided opioids to soothe their losses. nobsDie fascists! Make America Great! 18:45, 25 August 2019 (UTC)
GrammarCommie: " his policies are designed to negatively effect ethnic minorities ". This is bull. immigration restrictions aid minorities, as witnessed by the lowest unemployment figures on record. nobsDie fascists! Make America Great! 18:49, 25 August 2019 (UTC)
Yeah... No. It benefits rich white men. You're talking out of your ass. ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 20:21, 25 August 2019 (UTC)
As always. Oxyaena Harass 21:10, 25 August 2019 (UTC)

You're welcome[edit]

A case involving you has been raised at the Chicken Coop. Feel free to comment. Bongolian (talk) 00:47, 25 August 2019 (UTC)

So, how's that "Retiring to spend more time with family." working out?[3] Bongolian (talk) 19:04, 27 August 2019 (UTC)
He clarified that was for the elections. In other words it was nobs trolling as usual. Oxyaena Harass 19:39, 27 August 2019 (UTC)
Right. Now that I have ceased from my own labors, I feel the responsibility to share the wisdom and knowledge God has graced me with to unenlightened idiots children of the younger generation. nobsDie fascists! Make America Great! 20:04, 27 August 2019 (UTC)
Yes of course God Trump has given you all the wisdom and knowledge you need.--RipCityLiberal (talk) 23:10, 27 August 2019 (UTC)
Actually, it was Richard Nixon. nobsDie fascists! Make America Great! 00:10, 28 August 2019 (UTC)
So... was he a crook? — Dysk (contribs) 08:56, 28 August 2019 (UTC)
Nah, he got framed. He made too may enemies with the cp:Alger Hiss case, and it was just payback for an old vendetta.
You can't take on the Deep State - JFK got hauled out in a box, Nixon was railroaded out of town; it remains to be seen what will happen to Trump. He doesn't seem inclined to making an accommodation with them, and he knows the history of what happened to JFK & Nixon. nobsDie fascists! Make America Great! 09:06, 28 August 2019 (UTC)
Move over communism, the deep state has now become your new boogeyman. Any scandal, no matter how disconnected, is part of the Deep State. Rob's coffee goes cold - DEEP STATE! Acei9 09:22, 28 August 2019 (UTC)
Well, listen to these 5 minutes of this JFK speech, and tell me what the hel;l he's talking about. nobsDie fascists! Make America Great! 09:28, 28 August 2019 (UTC)
I am not a crook. Oxyaena Harass 09:45, 28 August 2019 (UTC)
The 'I am not a crook' quote is one of the most bizarre in the Nixon story - and it has nothing to do with Watergate.
The lame duck Congress (Dec. 1968) before Nixon took office changed the tax law. Nixon appraised his VP papers during the transition to take a charitable tax deduction (on the advice of LBJ). The most valuable item was a 1956 letter from Martin Luther King (killed Apr. 1968). A Nixon flunky backdated the transfer of the charitable deduction in the months that followed to make the transaction appear to have taken affect before the new law took affect. Nixon had no knowledge of the accountant backdating the document. In Nixon's second term, Nixon came under IRS audit. The Watergate fishing expedition was producing nothing, and the public had trouble understanding what Nixon was accused of. The new accusation was that Nixon took an illegal deduction, got a $250,000 refund, and bought a Key Biscayne property (the 'Florida White House'). When asked about it, he said 'I am not a crook. I earned every dime'. Fake news media was only too willing to spin that into something that had to do with the convoluted Watergate revelations.
And Congress only changed the law cause Nixon was coming into office. LBJ and others had taken advantage of this same loophole.
So Congress had disallowed public servants from taking a deduction for donation of their papers. When Nixon challenged the IRS (Nixon vs. United States) SCOTUS ruled the papers were the government's property. Hillary Clinton's emails were not her own private property to delete under this same ruling. She knew better. nobsDie fascists! Make America Great! 10:07, 28 August 2019 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Holy fuck this is amazing lol--RipCityLiberal (talk) 15:19, 28 August 2019 (UTC)

Leaving aside a discussion of Hillary's deleted emails being akin to Nixon's 18 minute gap in Oval Office tapes, look at the IG Comey carve out report. Comey argues that 7 memos he wrote of conversations with the President were his private property, as Nixon argued Oval Office tape recordings were Nixon's private property.
Now, do you believe Comey is making a good faith argument?
And let's leave aside discussing whether's Comey exoneration of Clinton overturns the Watergate precedent regarding government files. nobsDie fascists! Make America Great! 20:19, 29 August 2019 (UTC)

High score[edit]

Technically the win to loss ratio is 9-0 now fyi. Oxyaena Harass 18:10, 28 August 2019 (UTC)

Horowitz IG Report[edit]

Isn't it funny how literally NOTHING you said would be in the report is there? Like zilch, nada, zero. I expect that you'll cease with this nonsense and accept that the Mueller report is an accurate accounting of the facts and the investigation was in no way criminal. Also that Michael Flynn is fucking guilty.--RipCityLiberal (talk) 18:22, 29 August 2019 (UTC)

Duh, this is the separate Comey carve out report, not the FISA abuse report.
You will recall, there was a McCabe carve out report separate from OIG Clinton email report. nobsDie fascists! Make America Great! 18:47, 29 August 2019 (UTC)
About that, very simple question I've been waiting some time for you to answer, a straightforward number, no need to branch out just yet: in what year was a FISA warrant first obtained for Carter Page? Semipenultimate (talk) 19:49, 29 August 2019 (UTC)
October 21, 2016, with three renewals every 90 days for the next year.
More importantly, FISA Section 702 does not need a warrant - it is supposed to be used against non-citizens outside the United States. It was used illegally against U.S. citizens since 2012, and particularly against Hillary Clinton opponents beginning in the July 2015-November 2015 timeframe. FISA abuse first came under review after this timeframe. nobsDie fascists! Make America Great! 19:55, 29 August 2019 (UTC)
Agents of foreign governments, even if they are US citizens, can have their communications with said foreign governments be subjected to FISA warrants. As it turns out, 2016 was not actually the first time a FISA warrant was obtained for Carter Page. The correct answer is '2013'. Now, the next question: what did Page do in 2013 with respect to a foreign government that might justify the FBI's FISA warrant? Semipenultimate (talk) 20:21, 29 August 2019 (UTC)
Ha Ha! Now you are getting at what was withheld from the FISA court. Page is UCE-1 in this DOJ Press Release.
The FBI obtained the recordings after Sporyshev attempted to recruit an FBI undercover employee (“UCE-1”) [Carter Page] who was posing as an analyst from a New York-based energy company. In response to requests from Sporyshev, [Carter Page] provided Sporyshev with binders containing purported industry analysis written by [Carter Page] and supporting documentation relating to [Carter Page's] reports, as well as covertly placed recording devices."
While the court (and media) have been told for three years now that Russians tried to recruit Page in 2013, they have not been told that Page reported the attempted recruitment to the FBI and went to work for them as a paid undercover operative.
Ironically, the public Press Release and thanks given (anonymously as UCE-1) to Page in March 2016 happened only 10 days before he volunteered for the trump campaign. nobsDie fascists! Make America Great! 20:30, 29 August 2019 (UTC)
How can there be an abuse of FISA, if by your stated time when they issued it in 2016, the FBI had already been investigating Russian connections to the Trump campaign for three months?--RipCityLiberal (talk) 21:03, 29 August 2019 (UTC)
Also the source you've included is the SDNY, but it doesn't name the UCE. And since Page has been bragging about being an informal consult of the Kremlin since 2013, this seems like a stretch.--RipCityLiberal (talk) 21:10, 29 August 2019 (UTC)
Now you're seeing the outline.
Snowden described the the potential for abuse :"I, sitting at my desk, certainly had the authorities to WIRETAP anyone, from you, or your accountant, to a federal judge, to even the President if I had a personal" identifier. This is the FISA 702 system. The FISA court has ruled abuse was occurring since 2012.
When NSA director Adm. Rogers discovered the abuse, he shut it down in April 2016. FusionGPS was hired the next day.
FBI 'contractors' were responsible for the abuse. This is where Nellie Ohr comes in. After outside contractor access was cutoff, illegal FISA 702 data was funneled outside the FBI [to FusionGPS] to make it appear the surveillance data was coming from outside the FBI.
Before going farther, you need an understanding of the difference between a FISA Title I warrant, and FISA 702 data. nobsDie fascists! Make America Great! 22:27, 29 August 2019 (UTC)
My god, NONE OF WHAT YOU SAID HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH THIS. I'm starting to believe the only reason you ride with Trump is you both suffer from the same syphilitic brain disability to process simple information.--RipCityLiberal (talk) 15:08, 30 August 2019 (UTC)
Duh, I wasn't talking to you, I was talking to Semipenultimate.
You haven't a clue what you are talking or writing about, to wit (a) Flynn is no longer cooperating with his plea agreement, and (b) you haven't a clue about the IG reports.
The whole basis for the origins of Russia investigation are slowly being undermined, as well as the Mueller report itself. If you think your hard work and ignorance now will pay some dividend in the 2020 election year, you're just emblematic of how far out of touch with reality leftwing extremists such as yourself are. nobsDie fascists! Make America Great! 16:06, 30 August 2019 (UTC)
A)Flynn has completed his cooperation...which the gov't announced today. Now he is the one delaying his sentencing, because he shuffled his defense team.
B)The IG report is pretty clear that nothing Comey did was illegal, he did not release any confidential information, and they aren't pursuing any litigation.
The only ignorant person here is you, who refuses to acknowledge basic facts in favor wild conspiracies and baseless accusations against people simply because Trump doesn't like them.--RipCityLiberal (talk) 17:40, 30 August 2019 (UTC)
Well, I can see this has been constructive - you are updating yourself on the Flynn case. Secondly, read the conclusion in the Comey IG report, beginning at page 54. nobsDie fascists! Make America Great! 18:55, 30 August 2019 (UTC)
Nobs, the fact that Page was already a known foreign asset is something that Republicans have been trying to hide; if he's an agent of a foreign power, Title I covers a broad base of his activities. But it's better optics to convince people that he was monitored out of the blue, which is why 702 comes up so often as a way to confuse the issue. And yes, 702 abuse has taken place across multiple presidencies, and is no doubt continuing to take place under the current president. But you are conflating the two: Page was monitored via Title I, due to his self-reported affiliation. 702 was not used to monitor Carter Page since his pre-existing status - do you agree that this is what the facts state? Semipenultimate (talk) 20:54, 30 August 2019 (UTC)
You'll have to wait for the full FISA abuse report. Its gonna be a big deal. The future of the FISA Act and FISA Court are at issue. nobsDie fascists! Make America Great! 01:48, 31 August 2019 (UTC)
Judiciary Chairman Lindsey Graham says (a) the CIA was likely involved in the origins of Trump-Russia and (b) the results of these investigations will likely lead to the reorganization of the Justice Department. nobsDie fascists! Make America Great! 15:13, 1 September 2019 (UTC)
Then I suppose the conversation is on hold until this FISA report comes out and it has provable evidence of what you're claiming beyond hearsay, or if Lindsay Graham can also substantiate his claims with actual evidence. Semipenultimate (talk) 20:02, 4 September 2019 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Well, yah. Let's prepare for an alternative scenario. What happens when

  1. FusionGPS is identified as one of the FBI contractors that is guilty of FISA 702 abuse since the fall of 2015;
  2. Joseph Mifsud is confirmed as a Western intelligence asset working for John Brennan;
  3. Papadopoulos is confirmed to have been set up, first by Brennan, later by Mueller;
  4. Comey, Sally Yates, Andrew McCabe, John Carlin, Rod Rosentein, and Dana Boente are all confirmed to have lied to the FISA court;
  5. Michael Flynn's conviction is thrown out.

What then? nobsDie fascists! Make America Great! 23:38, 4 September 2019 (UTC)

Motherfucker you have been saying the delay for sentencing was some ridiculous conspiracy, when he was continuing to cooperate with the government, until he changed his legal team, so they didn't use him to testify against his business partner. There isn't a single thing in that report that confirms any of the bullshit your spewing.--RipCityLiberal (talk) 21:26, 30 August 2019 (UTC)
Not me. Flynn's lawyers. Read their motion today:
"Mr. Flynn requests that this Court (i) issue an order to show cause why the government should not be held in contempt because of their violation of this Court’s Standing Order and their legal and ethical duties to produce exculpatory and impeachment evidence to the defense; (ii) thereafter find the prosecutors in contempt of this Court’s Brady order; (iii) issue an order to them and to the Department of Justice to preserve all evidence, emails, notes, documents, texts, cell phones—including those of the Special Counsel team—and (iv) order the Department of Justice to produce all evidence the defense requests in our accompanying Motion and any and all other Brady information in the government’s possession. [4] nobsDie fascists! Make America Great! 01:47, 31 August 2019 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Another excerpt from the Flynn motion:

  • "[Andrew] Weissmann and Ms. [Zainab] Ahmad while at DOJ in 2016-17 were working with cp:Bruce Ohr (then the fourth highest ranking member of DOJ) to feed information from his wife Nellie at cp:FusionGPS and British citizen cp:Christopher Steele to the FBI through his secret back-channel. This was happening after the FBI terminated Mr. Steele as a paid informant because he was keeping the press informed of his “findings.” FusionGPS, Steele, and Ms. Ohr were all working for the Clinton campaign. In addition, Ms. Ohr worked for the CIA. The entire operation is further compromised by the fact that the second agent who interviewed Mr. Flynn along with former agent Strzok, was Bruce Ohr’s contact with the FBI and conducted numerous debriefings of Mr. Ohr—passing along to the FBI the corrupted and false information from the Ohrs, Steele, and FusionGPS. That agent may also have joined Special Counsel’s team. Weissmann and Ahmad were not in the DOJ chain of command to be informed by Mr. Ohr at all. They had no legitimate reason to be privy to his operation with FusionGPS and Christopher Steele. Remarkably, despite this involvement, Mr. Weissmann and Ms. Ahmad then went directly to the Special Counsel team, along with Strzok and possibly the second agent, thereby calling into question the entire investigation with their illicit involvement with Ohr and Steele. Closing the circle, Ahmad was co-counsel with Van Grack in the prosecution of Mr. Flynn. It is imperative the defense obtain the Bruce Ohr 302s and notes—unredacted—and all evidence of this circuitous and illicit operation." nobsDie fascists! Make America Great! 15:20, 1 September 2019 (UTC)

Death squads[edit]

You haven't been assassinated yet. Almost seems as if someone was full of shit, but no, that can't possibly be right..... Oxyaena Harass 22:06, 29 August 2019 (UTC)

I dunno; these guys got inside Epstein's ranch which isn't that far from here. There definitely is people there. nobsDie fascists! Make America Great! 22:45, 29 August 2019 (UTC)
Will you notify us when you've been assassinated? Oxyaena Harass 16:07, 30 August 2019 (UTC)
I need to give some thought to a dead man's switch; I've only posted a fraction of what I really know. nobsDie fascists! Make America Great! 16:11, 30 August 2019 (UTC)
Drugs will do that, yes. Oxyaena Harass 16:58, 30 August 2019 (UTC)
I could accept if he was on drugs, but I'm not sure there is a drug on earth that could produce the garbage he spews.--RipCityLiberal (talk) 17:41, 30 August 2019 (UTC)
Ayahuasca is your friend. Oxyaena Harass 18:07, 30 August 2019 (UTC)
He's on the same drug that motivated my father, on his deathbed, barely able to breathe or whisper, to shout out "fucking cunt bitch" when Nancy Pelosi came up on Fox News. You've got to be carefully taught. Semipenultimate (talk) 20:57, 30 August 2019 (UTC)
@ripcity - 'not a drug on earth that could produce the garbage he spews' yes there is. its called cocaine, the drug of choice for pricks everywhere. it would certainly explain his astronomical ego and his propensity to spout absolute dogshit. its drug he'd be more than familiar with too as its very popular with the type of folk hes been surrounded by and been doing business with years. and that's without mentioning the many many claims of him having quite a habit. im surprised no one heres brought it up before. AMassiveGay (talk) 22:25, 1 September 2019 (UTC)
@AMassiveGay I have fucked with cocaine and it has literally never made me a RW lunatic--RipCityLiberal (talk) 22:38, 3 September 2019 (UTC)
sorry I thought this was more trump related stuff. ive no idea about nobs's drug of choice. AMassiveGay (talk) 22:28, 1 September 2019 (UTC)
Yep. That's why building the Wall will raise cocaine prices. nobsDie fascists! Make America Great! 23:05, 1 September 2019 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────@Oxyaena, ayahuasca is not one's friend. Bongolian (talk) 23:14, 3 September 2019 (UTC)

You're saying you wouldn't want to vomit and trip for days while believing you're gonna die? Prude. Oxyaena Harass 00:43, 4 September 2019 (UTC)


Seeing Trump as the chosen one is heretical, no? The way to salvation is through Jesus, not Trump, unless non-Christians are now allowed to become prophets. Oxyaena Harass 21:38, 1 September 2019 (UTC)

Hmmm, I couldn't agree more. Who ever said Trump is the Chosen One as the way to salvation? Fake news media? Trump never made such a claim.
Trump said he is the chosen one of American presidents to stand up to China. Where's there a controversy, other than more Democrat and fake news bullshit? nobsDie fascists! Make America Great! 21:44, 1 September 2019 (UTC)
He literally called himself the Second Coming of God. Oxyaena Harass 22:04, 1 September 2019 (UTC)
No, you literally chose to consume bullshit, stir fried bullshit with a little Rice-a Roni in this case. nobsDie fascists! Make America Great! 23:07, 1 September 2019 (UTC)
He did say,"I love the poorly uneducated.". Now that's downright Christ-like, don't you think?Ariel31459 (talk) 00:00, 2 September 2019 (UTC)
Trump literally looked to the heavens and said "I am the chosen one" Rob. If Obama had done it you'd have flayed him alive on CP. That's the point here - you're completely dishonest. Acei9 01:09, 2 September 2019 (UTC)
I saw the presser. I know the context. He called out NBC and CNN for bullshit right there. The NBC idiot responded with, "Do you think you're the Son of God?" nobsDie fascists! Make America Great! 02:25, 2 September 2019 (UTC)
When someone in power, like a president, looks to the heavens and states they are the chosen one then asking if they believe they are the son of god becomes a relevant question. But that's not the point Rob - you are not holding Trump to the same standard as Obama, or any democrat for that matter. Because you are dishonest. What would be your reaction if Trump actually did try to extend his presidency (which is a fairly good possibility) by 2 years like he is saying? Acei9 02:33, 2 September 2019 (UTC)
Look, you guys are spinning your wheels in self-deception. Comey's been bitch slapped. Mueller and the whole team are getting bitch slapped right now in the Flynn and cp:US vs. Concord Management cases. Brennan, Comey Clapper, McCabe, Strzok, Obama, Rice, et al are about to get bitched slapped by john Durham. Wake up and smell the sulfuric acid - nobody falls for mainstream fake news bullshit anymore. Recycling it into stale crap about racism or God ain't gonna work, either. nobsDie fascists! Make America Great! 05:24, 2 September 2019 (UTC)
That’s got nothing to do with what I actually asked you. Acei9 06:21, 2 September 2019 (UTC)


It's interesting to see that you think that you won every Coop case,[5] including this one[6] even though you were mocked mercilessly and did not get what you wanted. Are you just counting not getting yourself banned as a victory even when you bring up the Coop case yourself? Bongolian (talk) 07:15, 2 September 2019 (UTC)

I'm proly about 15-0 if you count the times before the Coop became a formality. Dang, it seems every time my detractors go for the Gold and try to 86 me. I just have a nasty habit of playing by the rules wherever I go (unlike, say, a liberal communist piece-of-shit like James Comey, for instance). These cases usually end in exposing the paranoid bigots making accusations for what they are. nobsDie fascists! Make America Great! 08:10, 2 September 2019 (UTC)
It's continually amazing to me how you ignore every lie Trump comes up with (about 7 per day currently) and target everyone else. Trump is a proven liar who is ripping off your country. You made Carter sell his peanut fun while Trump open flaunts his breaching the emoluments clause. Amazing. You have no principles at all. Acei9 09:12, 2 September 2019 (UTC)
Comey a liberal communist, amazing. Oxyaena Harass 09:30, 2 September 2019 (UTC)
Seriously, you gotta look at the job he's doing. Don't you think it's time somebody stood up to Chi-na? Don't you think it's time we ended the Korean War? Don't you think it's time we ended the Marshall Plan and rebuilding of Europe? Trump is the chosen one to take those steps. nobsDie fascists! Make America Great! 13:54, 2 September 2019 (UTC)
He's been doing a half-assed job of it, we now are facing a recession thanks to him. I won't deny Trump hasn't done good, but the good is far outweighed by the bad. Oxyaena Harass 13:59, 2 September 2019 (UTC)
Recession is fake news. Sure, multinational corporations listed on Wall Street with a workforce in China will take a beating in the transitional phase, but Wall Street has become disconnected from Main Street - the real U.S. economy. The Dow Jones Industrials no longer gauge the health of the U.S. economy. nobsDie fascists! Make America Great! 15:22, 2 September 2019 (UTC)
If the traditional measures of strength and health of the economy aren't accurate anymore, then what does measure strength and health?Oshawottalot 15:44, 2 September 2019 (UTC)
Well, certainly employment numbers and GDP; stock valuations have little impact, other than income to pension funds and retirees. The capital invested in Wall Street is not so heavily invested in creating American jobs in the age of globalization. For decades now it has gone overseas to "emerging markets." nobsDie fascists! Make America Great! 17:01, 2 September 2019 (UTC)
@Oshawottalot The deaths of innocents, obviously. Genocide and greed is all the GOP lives for these days. ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 16:02, 2 September 2019 (UTC)
The rich are disconnected from the common people, if we don't initiate a revolution we will all pay for their crimes. Oxyaena Harass 22:08, 2 September 2019 (UTC)
Thank God Trump and Barr are getting Epstein and crew off the streets, huh? nobsDie fascists! Make America Great! 23:20, 2 September 2019 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────The Coop is not a court of law: it's based on whatever the majority decides. The rules will guide people's decisions, that's about it. The reality is a majority has of RationalWikians has usually found your paranoid rantings[7] entertaining so they keep you around as someone to taunt and laugh at. Bongolian (talk) 16:21, 2 September 2019 (UTC)

BFD. I'm not the villain alleged. nobsDie fascists! Make America Great! 17:01, 2 September 2019 (UTC)


Do you even care that Trump is hopelessly inept? Acei9 07:53, 4 September 2019 (UTC)

I'm a single issue voter now. I am opposed to human feces in the street. As soon as Trump betrays my and other like-minded people's trust and adopts the Democrat position of being pro-human excrement in the street I will be the first to renounce my support and jump to the opposition. nobsDie fascists! Make America Great! 08:09, 4 September 2019 (UTC)
You see nobs only cares about shit in the streets. He's quite OK with shit all over the WH and bedbugs.--RipCityLiberal (talk) 16:38, 4 September 2019 (UTC)
Nobs does not care that someone has shit for brains. Nobs also does not give a shit about what the Bible says because he thinks he will get to Heaven no matter what he does on Earth. Argumentation with Nobs is consequently a pointless wallow in the sewer. Bongolian (talk) 16:45, 4 September 2019 (UTC)
You got it. It's not a merit system. By grace are ye saved. nobsDie fascists! Make America Great! 20:28, 4 September 2019 (UTC)
He's hopelessly over his head and so unable to admit he is wrong that he goes and draws all over the hurricane map. What kind of idiot does that (it's also a crime but you don't care when Trump breaks the law)? Acei9 00:45, 5 September 2019 (UTC)

Mueller report (cont)[edit]

  1. Politico Aug 6, 2019: Strzok, the former FBI agent who opened the bureau’s Russia probe [8]
  2. NYT Apr 10, 2019: Barr Asserts Intelligence Agencies Spied on the Trump Campaign. “The question is whether it was adequately predicated." [9]
  3. RCL: "if there was evidence to that fact, it would actually be news." This is the focus of IG FISA abuse investigation. Joe diGenova, former United States Attorney for the District of Columbia when the FISA law took effect said "DOJ inspector general found all four Carter Page FISA warrants were illegally obtained." [10]
  4. See #2
  5. You make an interesting point; why did Mueller/Weissmann not specify what date the criminal investigation began? (it is surreptitiously alluded to on pages 89-90, "On June 14, 2017, when the Washington Post reported that the Special Counsel was investigating the President for obstruction of justice, the President was facing what he had wanted to avoid: a criminal investigation into his own conduct..."). McCabe told 60 Minutes he authorized it "the next day" after Comey's firing. Comey awoke at 3:00 AM after his firing with the spark of an idea: if he leaked the memo where trump said, "I hope you can see your way clear to let this go", he believed he had evidence of a crime - obstruction of justice - which then a Special Counsel could investigate. Sen. Grassley wrote Rosentein on May 17, 2018 [11] stating
The regulations authorizing the appointment of a special counsel state that the Attorney General (or Acting Attorney General) may appoint a special counsel “when he or she determinations that criminal investigation of a person or matter is warranted.”18 The Appointment Order proscribes the Special Counsel’s jurisdiction by citing specifically “the investigation confirmed by then-FBI Director James B. Comey in testimony before the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence on March 20, 2017.”19 In his March 20 testimony, former Director Comey referred to “the investigation” as a counterintelligence investigation—not a criminal investigation.
More specifically, section 600.1 states the Attorney General “will appoint a Special Counsel when he or she determines that criminal investigation of a person or matter is warranted.” The omitted regulations do not authorize counterintelligence investigations.
So there is some question about the legality of Mueller's appointment from the git-go. Supposedly it was clarified in the August 2017 and October 2017 scope memos, which President Trump has ordered to be declassified and made public.
  1. Comey IG report, pgs. 56-57
  2. See Grassley letter, May 18, 2018, and August and October 2017 scope memos (there is some indication there may be more scope memos). nobsDie fascists! Make America Great! 22:35, 4 September 2019 (UTC)
You seem to believe you have struck gold with this stream of gobbledygook, so you posted it to mine, yours and the Mueller talk page, and it's a pretty shit argument.--RipCityLiberal (talk) 23:34, 4 September 2019 (UTC)
Actually I fucked up in posting it to the Mueller talk page (those scroll ups fucked me up) and I accidentally created double postings . Sorry. Disregard. I think I got it fixed now.
No. This isn't the end-all-to-beat-all.
The simple facts are: a Special Counsel cannot be appointed in a counterintelligence investigation. Grassley called Rosenstein out on the matter. Rosenstein clarified the scope in at least two (August and October 2017) scope memos. Trump came under criminal investigation after the firing of Comey for alleged obstruction of justice. Durham, Barr, and Horowitz are reviewing the basis for the counterintelligence investigation, which looks rather Nixonian. The FISA law was created so that another Nixon or J. Edgar Hoover in the future could ever do what it appears Obama, Brennan, Comey and Clapper did. nobsDie fascists! Make America Great! 21:09, 5 September 2019 (UTC)

Are You Fucking Ready?[edit] Lol --RipCityLiberal (talk) 04:27, 15 September 2019 (UTC)

Yah, well Schiff will just have to wait til Durham finishes his investigation of Brennan. nobsDie fascists! Make America Great! 06:19, 15 September 2019 (UTC)

I'm amazed you haven't figured out what happened yet. I'll thumb nail it here, and we'll see if Horowitz, Durham, and Judge Sullivan's order in the Flynn case bare me out.

In mid 2015, Brennan and Dearlove wanted to see Hillary elected. Both feared Trump would demand NATO pay more for its own defense, and Brennan wanted to be reappointed. Furthermore, Brennan knew Trump's chief advisor Flynn knew all about Obama's EO authorizing Hillary and Brennan to arm ISIS. Brennan set up a network that included Halper, a former SVR head named Vyacheslav Trubnikov, Christopher Steele, a mid-level Kremlin bureaucrat who became a CIA asset years earlier while working in Washington by the name of Oleg Smolenkov, and Mifsud, who was used unwittingly.

Trubnikov gave Steele the 'pee-pee' kompromat. Smolenkov supposedly gave Brennan high level information linking Putin to Russian meddling. Smolenkov later was extracted, paid, bought a million dollar home in D.C., and lived with his family under their real names after the Sergei Skripal attempted assassination. Steele's 'pee-pee' memo was used by the Obama DOJ and FBI to get a blanket surveillance warrant on the Trump campaign. Hillary and the DNC paid Steele for the information, who paid Trubnikov, who PIDOOMA'd it. Comey, McCabe, et al knew the information was bullshit before they lied to the FISA court. nobsDie fascists! Make America Great! 08:16, 15 September 2019 (UTC)

This has Zero to do with Brennan, and nothing to do with HRC and everything to do with the fact that currently a whistle blower is being silenced in the Trump administration, a directive that could only come from the Executive branch.--RipCityLiberal (talk) 15:53, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
Evangelicals are so hypocritical they're willing to sell their souls to a man who's a known criminal. Oxyaena Harass 16:11, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
a whistle blower is being silenced in the Trump administration, a directive that could only come from the Executive branch
Not really. The situation is the same reason the Horowitz report is taking so long. Whistleblowers "were silenced" during the Mueller probe, and could only be heard after it was completed. Now we have Durham probe. Investigatory material cannot be disclosed to Congress or the public during the coarse of an investigation.
Oh, and Brennan is up to his eyelids; Brennan right now is the chief target of the Durham investigation. The Horowitz IG cp:FISA abuse report will shed more light on how much of a target he is.
And Hillary colluded with Russians to pay for the 'pee-pee' memo; it's been in all the papers. Even CNN, WaPo. and NYT have reported that. nobsDie fascists! Make America Great! 20:26, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
If by 'pee-pee' memo you mean the Steele Dossier, Republican donors paid for it first so...--RipCityLiberal (talk) 18:41, 17 September 2019 (UTC)
Link? (I could give you the specifics, but since you have little interest in facts, I'll work at your pace; And no, the Washington Free Beacon are not Republican donors neither did they employ FusionGPS at the time Steele wrote the 'pee-pee' memo). nobsDie fascists! Make America Great! 19:18, 17 September 2019 (UTC)
"The Free Beacon — which was funded by a major donor [Paul Singer] supporting Mr. Trump’s rival for the party’s nomination, Senator Marco Rubio of Florida — told Fusion GPS to stop doing research on Mr. Trump in May 2016"
Eat shit fucker.--RipCityLiberal (talk) 21:41, 17 September 2019 (UTC)
Yep. The Free Beacon dropped Fusion when Trump wrapped up the nomination in May. Fusion hired Steele on June 12, and Steele wrote the pee-pee memo on June 21. His own words. nobsDie fascists! Make America Great! 04:14, 18 September 2019 (UTC)
Nine days seems like a short amount of time to write a research based memo, it couldn't possibly be that the document was based on research Fusion GPS had already acquired. You know, the way that hiring an experienced intelligence officer to evaluate and summarize collected intelligence works.--RipCityLiberal (talk) 15:53, 18 September 2019 (UTC)
Steele told us where it came from (in the October 11, 2016 Kathleen Kavalec notes from the State Department meeting). Steele told Kavalec the 'pee pee' story came from former SVR head and Brennan and Halper's buddy Vyacheslav Trubnikov. nobsDie fascists! Make America Great! 20:11, 18 September 2019 (UTC)

You ready to hold this L yet? Trump is out here legit holding Congressional allocated funds over a foreign country, in the hopes that investigate a political opponent over a frivolous and false accusation.--RipCityLiberal (talk) 19:47, 20 September 2019 (UTC)

Bullshit. He's seeing to it that the laws of the United States are faithfully executed.
Why haven't you figured out that the U.S. Intelligence Community is at war with itself? Do you honestly believe a couple of low-level bureaucrats can wiretap and listen into the President's phone calls? nobsDie fascists! Make America Great! 04:31, 22 September 2019 (UTC)
First, not a wiretap. Second, your making a lot of assumptions with nil for evidence (Intelligence community have been pretty united, we don't know the level of the whistle blower, and the IG is definitely a political appointee). What possible laws are you referring to? Considering Biden was actually part of the Obama administration you can't say the Logan Act. Also all the evidence indicates this prosecutor had stopped their investigation into the company, and was removed for not being hard enough on corruption. Also, Trump has now admitted at least three times he did do this, which is definitely an abuse of power and the definition of high crimes and misdemeanors--RipCityLiberal (talk) 18:30, 25 September 2019 (UTC).
When you're pissing in the wind, stand with your back to wind, and watchout for your shoes. nobsI'm dumbstrzok! 22:09, 25 September 2019 (UTC)
I have no idea what you're on about but I usually try to piss in the toilet.--RipCityLiberal (talk) 22:42, 25 September 2019 (UTC)
Looks like your about 0-3 right now. Michael Flynn’s Former Partner Acquitted On All Counts. "evidence presented to the jury was insufficient to prove any type of #conspiracy and based mainly on #hearsay". nobsI'm dumbstrzok! 01:18, 26 September 2019 (UTC)
Where is Paul Manafort sleeping tonight? Oh right prison. What about Michael Cohen? Prison. Those stupid fucks that got manipulated by Russian intelligence, also spent time in jail, so thats 5. Not only are you bad at understanding the way investigations or crimes work, I never thought you'd also be terrible at math.--RipCityLiberal (talk) 15:50, 26 September 2019 (UTC)
Manafort is scheduled to be out on or before the day after the 2020 election; Flynn will win bigtime; Papadopolous will get pardoned; and Cohen can rot for a while. He is, after all a Democrat. See what Democrats do to one of their own who goes off the Reservation? nobsI'm dumbstrzok! 16:12, 26 September 2019 (UTC)
"Manafort is scheduled to be out on or before the day after the 2020 election" Lol. For Flynn "winning" is not going to prison, he's definitely gonna get three years supervised release at a minimum. Pardon the Coffee boy? Also you're telling on yourself when celebrate someone being imprisoned based on their political affiliation, and not for you know cheating American taxpayers out of millions of dollars.--RipCityLiberal (talk) 23:24, 26 September 2019 (UTC)
We'll argue this after the October 14 show cause hearing. As to Cohen, he's a prime victim of FISA abuse. We'll see how Horowitz handles his case, but he's not going to get much sympathy or defenders from critics of the corruption that did, in fact, occur. He's on his own to bail himself out and fight back in civil court. nobsI'm dumbstrzok! 05:54, 27 September 2019 (UTC)

Jesus Christ you guys[edit]

No, nobs is never ready for reality, but when it happens he'll have a narrative ready. How many years of this do you need to observe? ikanreed 🐐Bleat at me 18:49, 17 September 2019 (UTC)

Who do you love more?[edit]

Your country or Hispanics? Thanks for helping elect a blatant racist to the highest office in the land, Nobs, really appreciated. Oxyaena Harass 21:46, 17 September 2019 (UTC)

Hey, my girlfriend's a Latina. If I had to choose between her and my country, owww that's a tuff one. Let me put it this way - I'd rather fuck her than get fucked by communists running this country. nobsDie fascists! Make America Great! 04:18, 18 September 2019 (UTC)
So you support your girlfriend over your president? Ooh God-Emperor Donald I won't be pleased when he hears this. Oxyaena Harass 13:42, 18 September 2019 (UTC)
You might be surprised. 2A02:1810:4D34:DC00:6D82:2148:3EE3:8007 (talk) 05:53, 9 October 2019 (UTC)
Oh wow! Token pandering during an election cycle! This definitely overwrites the previous insults and actual legislative decisions made by Trump! ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 15:34, 9 October 2019 (UTC)


Have you tried not pissing into the wind lately? Oxyaena Harass 05:56, 26 September 2019 (UTC)

Pissing in the wind requires some rational analysis and sound decision making to stand with your back to the wind as in the Russia collusion narrative; pissing up a rope, as in the Ukrainian collusion narrative however, defies physical laws of nature, such as gravity. nobsI'm dumbstrzok! 11:02, 26 September 2019 (UTC)


I don’t know what is funnier, Ken trying to convince himself against all evidence to the contrary the NZ is going through some sort of Christian revival or your slavish kowtowing to a criminal president - against all evidence to the contrary. Carry on lads. Acei9 06:30, 7 October 2019 (UTC)

All I can say is, you're going to end up in the gulag if you don't clean up your room. nobsI'm dumbstrzok! 17:20, 7 October 2019 (UTC)

Massive setback to neocons and other globalists: Trump is pulling U.S. troops out of Syria.[edit]

Why is that your headline? Shouldn't it be "Trump allows dictator to attack US allies in the Middle East"? How much longer are you going to push shit uphill Rob? How far can your credulity spread? Acei9 08:54, 8 October 2019 (UTC)

I posted my response here: cp:Talk:Main_Page#Syrian_withdrawal. nobsI'm dumbstrzok! 23:56, 8 October 2019 (UTC)
Aw man, you actually disagreed with that thin-skinned petty asshole about something? Welcome to RINO country, Judas. Semipenultimate (talk) 18:37, 9 October 2019 (UTC)

seriously, you're a traitor[edit]

Do you even feel a little guilty about it? Even a tinge? ikanreed 🐐Bleat at me 13:14, 10 October 2019 (UTC)

What country? No borders! No Walls! No USA At All! nobsI'm dumbstrzok! 13:17, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
I can't believe you'd say that. We need immigration. Who's going to mow our lawns if other <ahem> minority groups are too lazy to do it? nobsNo border! No Wall! No USA at All! 13:25, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
So, no. You don't care that you actively aid and abet literal treason. You hate your country that much? Why? What did the US do to you that you'd betray it? ikanreed 🐐Bleat at me 13:36, 10 October 2019 (UTC)


Trump's a fucking coward and traitor leaving our allies to die at the hands of the Turks. How can you continue to support him? Oxyaena Harass 14:18, 10 October 2019 (UTC)

See above link at cp:Talk:Main_Page#Syrian_withdrawal. I've already posted a press statement. nobsNo border! No Wall! No USA at All! 14:21, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
Yeah, but also you support treason against the united states too. As far as I can tell, just because you hate your country. ikanreed 🐐Bleat at me 15:12, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
Right. I hate transphobia, guns, and concentration camps. I plead guilty. i also hate a corrupt police state. nobsNo border! No Wall! No USA at All! 19:40, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
The problem with contradicting Trump is that you'll soon have to do it again, after consequences arise from his mistake and he then invents some bullshit to try and cover for it. Specifically this time around, it's his assertion that the Kurds are letting ISIS prisoners loose to try and draw us back in again. “Europe had a chance to get their ISIS prisoners, but didn’t want the cost. ‘Let the USA pay,’ they said... Kurds may be releasing some to get us involved.” His own words this morning, no dispute possible. Now if you'd gotten on board with the Trump party line like you should have, you'd be nodding vigorously at the suggestion of Perfidious Kurdistan. However since you've recognized abandoning Syria and the allies we've built there as the fool move it is, this evidence-free attempt to slander them might actually register as the desperate spin attempt it is. Do you again disagree with Donald Trump on something, I wonder - or have you found the free air too confining in its openness? Semipenultimate (talk) 19:41, 14 October 2019 (UTC)
It's all a Russian plot to get NATO to go to war with itself.
Shocking. Horrifying. At least the communist Democrats and hate-filled media are standing up for Christians, huh? Christian World News - Christians, Kurds and Yazidis Under Attack. nobsNo border! No Wall! No USA at All! 20:11, 14 October 2019 (UTC)
Solid deflection, classical name calling, standard whataboutism, not one shred of an answer. 10 out of 10 for the Nobsian style. Although the correct answer is 'Trump lied to both smear the Kurds and cover up his betrayal of them' for those of you playing along at home. Semipenultimate (talk) 20:50, 14 October 2019 (UTC)
It is highly amusing watching CP and the Trump Right studiously sweep Trumps many failings under the carpet. Watching Andy, Rob, Karajou etc betray their inerrant moral standards to a grifter the likes of Donald Trump. If Obama was president they'd be hounding for blood. Then Rob edits a page on left wing the same day a video is released showing Trump committing mass murder of his many perceived enemies. Truly staggering hypocrisy, denial and moral corruption. Acei9 21:59, 14 October 2019 (UTC)
Whaaa? Now the godless communists cry crocodile tears for Christians after Obama's goons went on a non-stop rape and beheading rampage for 4 years. Tell me about it.
George W. Bush and Dick Cheney, and that racist Republican scumbag John McCain would be proud of your concern for the Kurds. nobsNo border! No Wall! No USA at All! 22:20, 14 October 2019 (UTC)
Carry on, Rob, carry on. You're either supremely stupid or a wonderful liar. Acei9 22:24, 14 October 2019 (UTC)
Lemme get this right: Bush was right to liberate the Kurds from Saddam, and Obama fucked up when he abandoned them which led to the ISIS holocaust, so he put 50 troops back in to protect them, which now Trump withdrew in the face of thousands of troops from a NATO ally are decimating them. What facts am I missing? nobsNo border! No Wall! No USA at All! 22:34, 14 October 2019 (UTC)
Why are you talking to me about the Kurds? When did I say anything about them? You're either supremely stupid or a wonderful liar. Acei9 22:38, 14 October 2019 (UTC)
Ok Ace, I'll ask the question on everybody's mind for the past couple of decades: What the hell are you talking about? nobsNo border! No Wall! No USA at All! 22:57, 14 October 2019 (UTC)
Your moral corruption in the face of Trump and your utter hypocrisy. Acei9 23:00, 14 October 2019 (UTC)
Hey, it's Trump critics screaming Viva la Bush now. nobsNo border! No Wall! No USA at All! 23:03, 14 October 2019 (UTC)
Your moral corruption in the face of Trump and your utter hypocrisy. Acei9 23:51, 14 October 2019 (UTC)
Lemme tell you where you guys fucked up: when you started pitching George W, Bush as good and descent guy. How can we take any criticism from the Left serious now? nobsNo border! No Wall! No USA at All! 16:31, 19 October 2019 (UTC)

Hello nobs[edit]

Have you actually swung to the left, or is that just some sort of strange joke? Also sorry for vanishing during that "debate", I was busy and completely forgot about it (talk) 22:45, 14 October 2019 (UTC)

It's odd that Antifa fascists suddenly become patriotic nationalists accusing Trump of treason, isn't it? nobsNo border! No Wall! No USA at All! 23:00, 14 October 2019 (UTC)
Antifascist fascist? — Unsigned, by: / talk
Isn't gay marriage an oxymoron? nobsNo border! No Wall! No USA at All! 00:00, 15 October 2019 (UTC)
No? (talk) 00:11, 15 October 2019 (UTC)
The problem being that you don't care about his totalitarianism, but his treason should bother someone who lies about liking the US. You hate your country and your whole stupid identity is build around pretending to love it. ikanreed 🐐Bleat at me 20:59, 16 October 2019 (UTC)
I'm guessing you replied to the wrong guy, I am a Communist who openly despises Trump and the U.S (talk) 01:20, 19 October 2019 (UTC) (i.p changed because of new internet package)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────If your marriage isn't gay, you're doing it wrong! Bongolian (talk) 04:58, 18 October 2019 (UTC)

Great and unmatched wisdom.[edit]

You would think someone he called themselves “the one”, says “they are a very stable genius” and who proclaims “great and unmatched wisdom” would think to, you know, secure their nukes before falling back and letting their fate be dictated by Turkey. Trump might be the first person in history to accidentally give 50 nuclear weapons to an authoritarian regime. Whoops. Acei9 20:14, 16 October 2019 (UTC)

Now he’s calling himself “strategically brilliant”. Acei9 20:50, 16 October 2019 (UTC)
He also quite the man of letters - though he does write like a 10 year old writing to Santa. Jefferson, Washington and now Trump - brilliant literary prose. Plus he used the word server 8 times in a single long sentence. Will you ever admit the guy is starting to come apart at the seams and the festering feces that is now his brain is pushing itself to the surface. Acei9 04:51, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
Wow....and you have this to say about Beto on CP... questions U.S intelligence assessments over that of our enemies.. Wow Rob, you're hypocrisy knows no bounds given Trump frequently does the exact same thing. I'm always staggered by your total dishonesty and hypocrisy. Acei9 05:35, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
Now into naked corruption with Trump hosting the G7 at his own property and an admission that he did indeed withhold aid to Ukraine. And you support this fraud. Acei9 19:15, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
Wow. Just think. Trump appointed an unregistered agent of Turkey as his first National Security Advisor. James Comey didn't like that. Obama was protecting the guy who tried to overthrow the government of a NATO ally. Just what the hell is going on here? nobsNo border! No Wall! No USA at All! 12:31, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
Both Obama and Trump are criminal fucks, but one's actions do not negate the actions of the other. Oxyaena Harass 16:46, 19 October 2019 (UTC)
Trump did not weaponize the foreign intelligence apparatus against domestic political opponents. Honestly, Trump critics can't see the forest from the trees. nobsNo border! No Wall! No USA at All! 23:16, 19 October 2019 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── It's pretty obvious what happened. I'll narrate the story from about 2012 up to opening of Crossfire Hurricane. if anyone wants a source citation for any statement, just ask. All this info is available from mainstream (open source) reporting:

FISA abuse started about June 2012, per FISA Judge Rosemary Collyer. Flynn had a falling out with Brennan, Clapper, and Obama over weapons supply to Syria rebels (which in 2014 became ISIS). The weapons supply was carried out by then CIA director Gen. Petraeus (per NYT). Petraeus was fired over his refusal to go along with the Benghazi cover story. Flynn was fired in 2014 for refusing to accept jihadis as allies in the war against Gadaffi and Assad. But Flynn knew too much. Brennan, Halper, and Mifsud tried to frame him up as a Russian asset to discredit him.

Through FISA 702 abuse (warrantless wiretaps), Brennan knew everything about George Papadopolous by late 2015. By December 2015, Brennan had Mifsud working to compromise both Flynn and Papadopolous.

Now I'll go off the record: In my opinion, Mifsud may have been used as a stooge, who didn't quite fully understand the ramifications of the tasks Brennan asked him to perform. His specialty is really Saudi Arabia, the Arab world, and India. I don't think he really understands European and American politics at the level of the people who used him. Whatever the case, it appears he wants to come clean now, and return to some semblance of a normal life.

Everything Snowden warned about in 2014 came true in 2016 and onward. nobsNo border! No Wall! No USA at All! 23:46, 19 October 2019 (UTC)

The constitution[edit]

So why is it conservatives only support parts of the constitution they like but ignore the rest? "Changing the gun laws violates The Constitution" they say but when Trump calls the emoluments clause "phony" we just get silence. Why so dishonest and hypocritical? Acei9 01:58, 23 October 2019 (UTC)

Huh? Are you trying to convince me a 70 year old billionaire is using the office of the presidency for personal enrichment?
Oh, I gitit. He's not looking to enrich himself anymore, but build a dynasty for his children, not unlike Hunter Biden or Chelsea Clinton getting greased for $26,724 For Each Minute She Appeared On NBC. Is that what you mean by Emolument? nobsNo border! No Wall! No USA at All! 02:14, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
You addressed nothing relevant to what I asked you. Acei9 03:47, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
Also I didn’t know Hunter Biden and Chelsea Clinton were also president. So an irrelevancy and a red herring. Try address my first comment. Acei9 03:50, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
What's an emolument? Eleanor Roosevelt selling Ivory dish soap on the radio? nobsNo border! No Wall! No USA at All! 04:52, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
A phoney part of the constitution apparently. Perhaps Andy could start a new project to remove liberal bias from it? Also I didn’t know Eleanor Roosevelt was also a president. Acei9 06:23, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
Under community property laws, Hillary Clinton took a half million dollar bribe when her husband received payment 500% above fair market value for a speech in Moscow (in which he was personally thanked by Vladimir Putin) for her signing off on the Uranium One deal. Where's the outrage? Where's the publicity? Where's the investigation? And then you wonder why no one takes your feigned criticisms seriously? nobsNo border! No Wall! No USA at All! 07:09, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
Still no comment from you even remotely related to my original post. The longer it goes the further you go from actually addressing it. Also I didn’t know Hillary was also a president. Acei9 07:27, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
You must be talking about crap like this: Trump hotel lease is subject of latest House subpoena. The problem is, that runs straight into the God-given right of life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness and the president's right to earn a living and provide sustenance for his family. nobsNo border! No Wall! No USA at All! 14:03, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
So the constitution no longer matters? Acei9 19:36, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
Of coarse it does. If Trump want's to pursue happiness by signing a lease on the Old Union Station to convert to a Trump Hotel, it'll never see the inside of court room. nobsNo border! No Wall! No USA at All! 20:52, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
So the emoluments clause isn’t phoney then . Acei9 01:00, 26 October 2019 (UTC)
If you begin as a broke bum, and your only source of income is the government payroll, and your net worth exceeds paid employment with certain adjustments for living expenses, then there may be cause for an emoluments investigations. However, if you begin as a greedy capitalist, donate a portion of your time to government service, continue capitalist operations employing people, providing services, and paying taxes, and there is no direct conflict of interest between your ongoing business operations and disbursements of public funds and contracts, there should be no cause for alarm.
Let's review the lease for moment: First off, Trump is paying the government rent on the lease; secondly, I'm assuming that it was was not a no-bid contract. And if it were, that wouldn't be Trump's problem, that would be some corrupt murtherfucking idiot in the gubmint (assuming the contract was awarded before Trump donated his valuable time, based on fair market value of his time, to government service. And being that the $450,000 per annum wage scale the gubmint pays the president, Trump would have a deductible loss to offset any gain he supposedly has from employment in government service). nobsNo border! No Wall! No USA at All! 11:07, 26 October 2019 (UTC)
So the emolument clause isn’t phoney then. Acei9 23:20, 26 October 2019 (UTC)
No one ever said it was. It's no more phoney than the prosecutorial misconduct of the Mueller team or unconstitutional processes of the Democrat House. nobsNo border! No Wall! No USA at All! 01:47, 27 October 2019 (UTC)
Donald Trump said it was. That's what started this whole conversation and was the topic introduced in the first post.Oshawottalot 03:02, 27 October 2019 (UTC)
Oh, thanks. I generally don't follow Trump when he talks bullshit, which is a lot. I rely on you guys to tell me about it. Thanks. nobsNo border! No Wall! No USA at All! 03:16, 27 October 2019 (UTC)
Cool, it doesn’t matter then that the president talks bullshit that you fucks don’t listen to. Acei9 14:54, 27 October 2019 (UTC)
No, not at all. I'm glad you're being entertained.
Hey did you hear? Comey's moving to New Zealand. Good! New Zealand seems to be the place cooks, criminals, and communists like to hide out. nobsNo border! No Wall! No USA at All! 17:07, 27 October 2019 (UTC)
Since when did cooks ever done you wrong? And I thought that was California. Oxyaena Harass 17:28, 27 October 2019 (UTC)
(is that the right spelling? "cooks" looks like a whopper flopper). Comey's too selfish and greedy, he doesn't want to pay California taxes. nobsNo border! No Wall! No USA at All! 19:49, 27 October 2019 (UTC)

So if the emoluments clause isn’t phoney then Trump is violating the constitution. So does the constitution matter? Acei9 10:39, 31 October 2019 (UTC)

Yep. Beginning with the due process clause. nobsNo border! No Wall! No USA at All! 14:46, 31 October 2019 (UTC)
So Trump is violating the constitution. I thought conservatives held the constitution as sacrosanct? Acei9 22:13, 31 October 2019 (UTC)
If you're looking for a job in journalism, maybe you should consider other career options. nobsNo border! No Wall! No USA at All! 22:34, 31 October 2019 (UTC)
I actually do work as a freelance journalist however that isn't my full time job. Anyway - back to the point at hand: Trump is violating the constitution. I thought conservatives held the constitution as sacrosanct? Acei9 22:36, 31 October 2019 (UTC)
Ace, now I regard and respect you as an intelligent man (person/thing/whatever). However, in this case, your proving that people with an IQ of 140+ can still succumb to brainwashing. Take a step back. Look at yourself. Ask, 'Am I following the herd, or have i given up my capacity for individual reasoned judgement?' And if you do consider that you have not succumbed to the peer pressure of communist idiots, ask, 'What about appearance? Do I appear to have succumbed to the peer pressure of communist idiots?'
It's not too late. Jesus still loves you and it is possible to retain some personal dignity. nobsNo border! No Wall! No USA at All! 04:18, 1 November 2019 (UTC)
Stick to the topic Rob. Trump is violating the emoluments clause - so does that matter or not? Acei9 06:06, 1 November 2019 (UTC)
No evidence of that. You cannot deny a person their right to life, liberty and pursuit of property. You have no evidence he's being wither bribed or using his office for personal financial gain. nobsNo border! No Wall! No USA at All! 15:09, 1 November 2019 (UTC)
"You cannot deny a person their right to life, liberty and pursuit of property." Just popping in to say that yes you can. That's the entire point of legal and political systems, to judge whether not someone should be able to do something or whether it infringes on the rights of others. Or in other words, that's how the law works Rob. If I were a sadist and my pursuit of the described infringed on the rights of others, it would an should be curbed. Also, as to "...or using his office for personal financial gain." Transcript, Giuliani quotes, and basically almost all his public statements. ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 15:23, 1 November 2019 (UTC)
without due process, that is correct. Saying a crime has occurred, or calling a person a criminal is not due process. nobsNo border! No Wall! No USA at All! 18:00, 1 November 2019 (UTC)
Rob, having foreign governments stay at Trump hotels which funnels money into Trump's pockets as a private citizen is a breach of the emoluments clause. The same applies when Trumps own staff rack up $1000 bar-tab at Trumps Florida Estate which is then paid by the taxpayer. Trump is mingling his private businesses with his public responsibility - this is why there is a emoluments clause. Secondly - yes a person has right to life, liberty and pursuit of prosperity within the confines of the law. You have already stated the constitution still applies, you can't have it both ways - either the constitution matters or not. If it does then Trump is restricted, like everyone else, by law on how he is able to pursue prosperity. Acei9 19:25, 1 November 2019 (UTC)
That's just bullshit. If you were familiar with the tax law, you'd know. Was it an emolument when George Washington ran the Executive Branch out of Mount Vernon? Would it be an emolument today if Trump moved Executive Branch operations to Trump Tower? (incidentally, it would be perfectly legal, and he'd be within his rights, to do that). And you still can't deprive a person of life, liberty, or his ability to pursue happiness via income without due process. And blame the criminals, malcontents, and murderers if wanna a bitch about a bar tab for Secret Service. If the taxpayers don't pick up the bar tab, then it's a bribe paid by Trump to the government.
Any disbursement of taxpayer funds requires due diligence. If that due diligence yields the fact that Trump Doral is best dollar spent for the G20, hell, that ain't Trump's fault. That's some other schmuck's fault for not buying Trump Doral first or building a better alternative site.
There is no law that says either the president, or the U.S. taxpayers, must cut off their nose to spite their face, which is your only argument. nobsNo border! No Wall! No USA at All! 20:56, 1 November 2019 (UTC)
Rob your argument has two major flaws. Firstly you are equating Trump the president with Trump the private citizen. When Trump is a private citizen (whether the be in 1 year or 5) he can make money anyway he likes (being an ex-president is particularly lucrative) however as the president he is subject to laws other people are not. One of which is emoluments clause but Trump is using the power of the presidency to direct taxpayer money into the accounts of Trump the private citizen. He is also using the power of the presidency to pump foreign money into his private accounts. Both of which violate the emoluments clause. It's as simple as that. The biggest flaw in your argument however is that you know it is wrong because we both know if this was Obama you'd be shouting about corruption across RW and CP. Your hypocrisy as it is destroys your own argument. If it isn't OK for Obama it sure as shit isn't OK for Trump. Acei9 01:23, 2 November 2019 (UTC)
@Ace McWicked Goodpost.gif ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 01:37, 2 November 2019 (UTC)
I'm astounded how utterly difficult it is for Rob to answer some really easy questions. --It's-a me, Lgm sigpic.png LeftyGreenMario!(Mod) 02:20, 2 November 2019 (UTC)
For an emolument, two basic elements must occur: (1) a quid pro quo redounding to some personal financial gain supported by evidence that the transaction (2) would not have occurred in the normal course of business. Actually, third factor would be necessary: proof of performance on the part of the office holder, that the officeholder took some action that was motivated by or the result of such a reward. nobsNo border! No Wall! No USA at All! 02:36, 2 November 2019 (UTC)
No, Rob. That is wrong. The emoluments clause mentions nothing of the sort. You can’t weasel word yourself out this - it’s is as basic as I’ve laid out. Face the facts - you just don’t give a shit because it’s Trump. Acei9 02:43, 2 November 2019 (UTC)
Under your alleged theory, any elected official with a retirement account that has stock in Wal Mart, Microsoft, Office Max, Craft Foods or any other company that does business with the government, is receiving an emolument. nobsNo border! No Wall! No USA at All! 15:45, 2 November 2019 (UTC)
No Rob. That is wrong. The Emoluments Clause covers both foreign governments or the federal government - not private companies. Secondly if an elected official with shares in the above companies were using their powers to enrich themselves through companies that would be called corruption. Why is it me, a NZ citizen, who is schooling you on your own laws? Trump is violating the constitution and you don’t care. I’d respect you more if you just admitted it. Acei9 17:55, 2 November 2019 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── In fact, most Members of Congress and other elected officials hold stock in companies that regularly do business with the federal, state, and local governments. Your argument is basically anti-entrepreneurial - that because you can see a straight line from the owner of a privately held company to an elected official, therefore he should be forced to liquidate all his interests, place the proceeds in U.S. Treasury notes, and go on the public dole as a civil servant (which incidentally, holds stock in publicly traded companies that do business with the U.S. government in civil service retirement funds). No such law exists in the U.S..

As to the argument that foreign diplomats stay in Trump hotels, you'd still have to prove that (a) a quid pro quo existed; (b) the quid pro quo came about by a corrupt motive (i.e. a conspiracy between participants); (c) that the corrupt motive caused actions to be taken by the foreign government that ordinarily would not have occurred. If Trump Hotels worldwide have established themselves in the competitive market of hosting foreign diplomats, that would be tough to prove.

Granted, investigating the corrupt motives of a foreign government is entirely a subjective issue that the Senate would have to decide in an impeachment trial. OTOH, Members of Congress have historically accumulated vast wealth by investing in defense-related start-up companies (IPO) that produce defense-related technologies marketed to foreign governments (same is true in the biomedical field, but the revenues there primarily come domestically).

Then again, we'd also have to consider really the main issue. Typically, elected officials and high ranking appointed officials place their asset holdings into a blind trust. They refrain from direct management and consultation on decisions, and only receive quarterly financial reports. There is no law mandating this, but it has become the accepted practice to avoid the appearance of conflict of interest (btw, insider trading rules only apply to Wall Street bankers and brokers, not Congressional members or staffers). In the case of Donald Trump, whose assets primarily consist of real estate and ongoing businesses, not stock in publicly traded companies, Trump has turned over management of his affairs to a trustee, is son Donald Jr.. Now, someone may argue there is the appearance of a conflict of interest there, but that again would be hard to prove, given there is no law mandating this accepted practice in the first place. To go after the Trumps on these grounds would affect every member of congress and their staffs, that have used blind trusts and circumvention of insider trading rules to pad their own pockets. None, I suspect, are interested in upsetting the apple cart. nobsNo border! No Wall! No USA at All! 18:24, 2 November 2019 (UTC)

No Rob, that is wrong. The emoluments clause says nothing about a quid pro quo and doesn’t relate to the Stockmarket or private enterprise - it relates to taxpayer money and foreign money. It is as simple as I laid out: Firstly you are equating Trump the president with Trump the private citizen. When Trump is a private citizen (whether the be in 1 year or 5) he can make money anyway he likes (being an ex-president is particularly lucrative) however as the president he is subject to laws other people are not. One of which is emoluments clause but Trump is using the power of the presidency to direct taxpayer money into the accounts of Trump the private citizen. He is also using the power of the presidency to pump foreign money into his private accounts. Both of which violate the emoluments clause. It's as simple as that. The biggest flaw in your argument however is that you know it is wrong because we both know if this was Obama you'd be shouting about corruption across RW and CP. Your hypocrisy as it is destroys your own argument. If it isn't OK for Obama it sure as shit isn't OK for Trump. Acei9 18:53, 2 November 2019 (UTC)
Your argument falls apart based on the fact that civil service retirement funds have money in multinational (i.e. foreign) stocks. As you say, a quid pro quo isn't needed - the fact McDonalds does business in China and federal pension funds hold McDonalds stock is enough.
Leftist street activists can bitch about emoluments, but when push comes to shove, I'd be amazed to see it even be an Article of Impeachment. And if so, that will be a wild ride in the Senate. My guess is they would dismiss the charge out of hand. OTOH, some Senators may wish to focus on these abuses and reforms, and allow Trump lawyers to present a defense. I can't think of one Democrat Senator who would rise to criticize these accepted practices. If Liz Warren or Bernie Sanders tried to push Emoluments (remember, Trump's assets are in real estate, not Wall Street), they'd have their asses handed to them by Democratic Congressional and party leadership. nobsNo border! No Wall! No USA at All! 19:12, 2 November 2019 (UTC)
Two points: (A) Donald Jr. is blind trustee; (B) was Hunter Biden's income a violation of the Emoluments Clause (since the clause applies to both President and VP)? nobsNo border! No Wall! No USA at All! 19:18, 2 November 2019 (UTC)

Rob, you are still wrong. The clause refers to taxpayer money or from a foreign state - not from stocks or private investments. I’m tired of repeating myself. Trump used his position to accept money from the taxpayer which isn’t part of his salary and from foreign heads if state - both violate the emoluments clause. Hunter Biden is not a federal employee and neither is Don Jnr so that’s just a dumb red herring. Also your own hypocrisy destroys your own argument. Just be a man and admit it. Acei9

"taxpayer money from a foreign state" Think about that for a minute and try clarifying what you mean. Also remember, we are talking about three different entities, Trump the individual, Trump the office holder, and Trump's businesses. nobsNo border! No Wall! No USA at All! 00:09, 3 November 2019 (UTC)
"taxpayer money from a foreign state" Think about that for a minute and try clarifying what you mean. Also remember, we are talking about three different entities, Trump the individual, Trump the office holder, and Trump's businesses.
The hardest part you have to overcome is proving that some diplomat chose to stay at a Trump Hotel rather than the Hyatt, for $260 a night, hoping to get a $50 million aid grant. Otherwise it's simply a cash for services transaction at market rates. nobsNo border! No Wall! No USA at All! 00:09, 3 November 2019 (UTC)
No Rob. You are wrong, still and again. There's doesn't need to be any quid pro quo. Through the Trump business Trump the president is receiving money from a foreign state - that violates the Emoluments Clause. This has been explained to you several times. I'm actually staggered you are this stupid Rob. I never said "taxpayer money from a foreign state". I said - "The clause refers to taxpayer money or from a foreign state - which is exactly what the clause state. Secondly I have already mentioned that Trump isn't 3 entities - he is one, Trump the president. Once he became president he is now subject to different laws than as a private citizen, and he violating those laws by operating as a business. Thirdly you fail to address your biggest failing, that if it was Obama you'd be singing a totally different tune. Acei9 00:13, 3 November 2019 (UTC)
"taxpayer money from a foreign state" Think about that for a minute and try clarifying what you mean. (Not sure who brought the phrase up or what it's suppose to mean).
Ok. Here's the wording:
no Person holding any Office of Profit or Trust under them, shall, without the Consent of the Congress, accept of any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince, or foreign State.
An emolument is basically grease. The meaning today is the same as in 1789. Trump's not the first office holder that this clause has ever been discussed. A fee for service is not grease. Conversely, a payment for service 500% above fair market value from a foreign entity (or even domestic) in a community property state paid to a spouse looks like grease. nobsNo border! No Wall! No USA at All! 00:40, 3 November 2019 (UTC)
No Rob, you are still fucking wrong. It says nothing about “grease” (I have explained this several times now). Trump receiving money from a foreign state violates the emoluments clause - regardless of the service provided.. That’s it. You are making up provisions that don’t exist anywhere. And you are still wrong by way of your staggering hypocrisy. You keep saying the same thing using different words but you are still wrong. Acei9 01:36, 3 November 2019 (UTC)
Really? Thanks. God damn ferners. See, I told you globalism is illegal. Thank you for being so persistent in your nationalist arguments. Vivi la USA! nobsNo border! No Wall! No USA at All! 05:21, 3 November 2019 (UTC)
So now, run out of arguments, failed on every front, resort to non-sequitur. Just another hypocritical, lying, dishonest conservative/christian*.......*you are neither a conservative nor a christian. Could you at least try mount an argument or, as I thought, you are just a hypocrite? Acei9 05:26, 3 November 2019 (UTC)


If Ken wants to put pics on my talkpage he can do it himself. If he has the Machismo to do so...Acei9 02:57, 1 November 2019 (UTC)


You've been nominated in the upcoming moderator elections. See the nomination at RationalWiki:Moderator elections/Nominations. EK (talk) 11:55, 2 November 2019 (UTC)

Trump v Obama[edit]

Hi Rob, I'm sorry I had to school you before. But I have another one for you. The CP article for Obama says

His presidency was marred by anemic economic growth, rising federal debt, his poor foreign policies and multiple political scandals.Obama separated families at the border and locked children in cages. Pursuing a foreign policy that undermined American interests, he developed close relations with foreign dictators and shunned democratic movements.

So that's bad right? Acei9 09:28, 5 November 2019 (UTC)

Shit, I thought that was pretty tame language. I'm working on revising it to be more specific, with citations. nobsNo border! No Wall! No USA at All! 17:01, 5 November 2019 (UTC)
Why don't you add it to the Trump page too given Trump is presiding over a hugely inflated federal debt, has locked children in cages and routinely praises foreign dictators, shunning traditional democratic alliances? Oh yeah, that's right - you're an unrepentant hypocrite. Acei9 21:42, 5 November 2019 (UTC)
Nah. Old news. Where do you think I got my inspiration from? nobsNo border! No Wall! No USA at All! 05:58, 6 November 2019 (UTC)
So yeah a total hypocrite. You're not a Christian or a conservative - just a dishonest dick. Acei9 22:30, 6 November 2019 (UTC)
Wow. What's so hard to grasp? Obama sucked and Trump is the son of Jesus. That's not necessarily partisan in any way, just one man's opinion. nobsNo border! No Wall! No USA at All! 21:12, 7 November 2019 (UTC)
That's fairly heretical, Nobs. Oxyaena Harass 00:57, 28 January 2020 (UTC)


And you still support this crook who basically stole money slated for charity. Acei9 00:39, 8 November 2019 (UTC)

He had nothing to do with the Clinton Foundation, other than maybe be inspired by them as a model of charitable giving and humanitarian assistance. nobsNo border! No Wall! No USA at All! 00:48, 8 November 2019 (UTC)
So there's basically no low that Trump could sink to that you would care about. He stole money from a charity Rob, partly to buy a fucking picture of himself. How are you OK with this? Are you so morally corrupt that you'll forgive Trump of everything? Acei9 00:54, 8 November 2019 (UTC)
Oh, thank God. I thought you were gonna say he was using it as a cover for a child sex trafficking ring. nobsNo border! No Wall! No USA at All! 01:50, 8 November 2019 (UTC)
So you don't care that Trump ripped off his own charity? A fucking charity Rob. Acei9 01:53, 8 November 2019 (UTC)
Trump's also probably the least generous "philanthropist" out there, altho it should be noted the wealthy in general are more stingy than poor people, the statistics back this up. Oxyaena Harass 13:32, 21 November 2019 (UTC)


What are your thought on the census? AceMcWicked 07:21, 18 November 2019 (UTC)


Where the hell have you been? Oxyaena Harass 02:09, 5 December 2019 (UTC)

I'm changing internet providers and it got all fucked up. This one has been real spotty. Nothing but fly-by-nites where I live. Xfinity says my address is a commercial address and wants to charge me commercial rates, and I'm not doing that anymore. Hopefully I'll have it worked it any day now. But all the these internet companies have nothing but idiots working in customer service.nobsEpstein didn't kill himself 06:49, 5 December 2019 (UTC)
Country service in general is pretty shitty, hope the infrastructure gets fixed soon. Oxyaena Harass 07:05, 5 December 2019 (UTC)
I paid for a bunch of service I never received, so its a money dispute, but I'm having a real hard time finding a good replacement. It's almost xfinity is trying to blackmail me and refuses to ga ve me residential rates. Shit, they have even been here to the house and can see its not a business, but I can't get them to change their records. nobsEpstein didn't kill himself 14:35, 5 December 2019 (UTC)
Xfinity sucks. Their salespeople keep trying to get me to switch to them, and I keep telling them "nope, I'm happy with CenturyLink." 2607:FB90:915E:7D45:0:3:A1A7:1501 (talk) 14:56, 5 December 2019 (UTC)
One of the things I think every American can relate to is getting dicked around by shitty internet companies. 🎄Chef Moosolini’s Ristorante Italiano🎄Ask about our holiday specials! 15:02, 5 December 2019 (UTC)
Comcast can fuck around like this because it holds an effective monopoly on internet services. Oxyaena Harass 15:22, 5 December 2019 (UTC)
Let's look and see if, oh, nope, Republicans have no fucks to give for consumers getting screwed by service providers. Don't like it? Don't pay for them. After all, you have 'access', and therefore, no right to complain, ever, about what you receive. Semipenultimate (talk) 16:43, 5 December 2019 (UTC)
If you can get DSL, and it's faster than 1.5 megs, get it and tell Comcast to pound salt. You'd be amazed at how viable that option really is despite Comcast's claims that you need 100 megs to watch Netflix and YouTube... 2607:FB90:915E:7D45:0:3:A1A7:1501 (talk) 18:55, 5 December 2019 (UTC)
I might try Hughesnet. Anybody ever hear of them? nobsEpstein didn't kill himself 00:14, 6 December 2019 (UTC)
HughesNet is satellite. I've used wi-fi connections that were through HughesNet, and it was fast enough (I actually did BitTorrent from a Southwest Airlines flight via HughesNet like a boss). The downsides to them are latency (bad for gamers and day traders) and the data caps. Who is the phone compamy where you live? CenturyLink? AT&T? Frontier? Windstream? Verizon? Check and see what they offer. You may be surprised they offer the same speeds you're getting with Comcast. 2607:FB90:6A29:F279:0:10:2CF3:6001 (talk) 00:21, 6 December 2019 (UTC)
You guys have it bad comparably. NZ is more expensive but the service is brilliant. A few years ago we started a huge fibre-obtic network which starts with smaller towns first. My ex-wife lives about 30k from me in a small beach community and she has better service than me in a city location. AceModerator 02:17, 6 December 2019 (UTC)
I think it's ATT. Been a long time since I had a landline. Comcast/Xfinity run all the cable connections. The problem is the zoning laws in this town - you can get anything zoned any way you want with enough money. A previous owner evidently had this place zoned commercial and Xfinity will not change it and give a residential contract. I've been paying commercial rates for 2 years, about twice as much, and am tired of arguing with them about it. So I'm looking for a smaller company to give me a dish on roof with a modem inside, but it still costs about the same as Xfinity. nobsEpstein didn't kill himself 02:48, 6 December 2019 (UTC)
@Ace McWicked We have fiber optic internet in this country too, it's usually installed by the landline companies, but there's also companies like Google Fiber and Crown Castle available in limited areas. I don't live in a city and I could get a dedicated fiber connection run to my house, I'd just have to pay a huge price for it. 2607:FB90:928B:DAF7:0:1A:45BD:9801 (talk) 03:13, 6 December 2019 (UTC)
@RobSmith, see what AT&T offers where you live. You may even be able to get fiber through them like Ace was talking about, and unlike my situation where they'd have to run the line from two streets over, it might actually be affordable. 2607:FB90:928B:DAF7:0:1A:45BD:9801 (talk) 03:17, 6 December 2019 (UTC)


Unbelievable. While shopping for service I was transferred to an operator in India. They wanted a credit card number first in order to talk to custom service rep. And my local city council granted these guys a license to operate in my city. Now I need to rethink my positions on local and federal regulation. nobsEpstein didn't kill himself 03:21, 21 January 2020 (UTC)

I already rethought my position: I support full privatization of all government services in which Nobs indulges, at least until he moves to a libertarian paradise. Bongolian (talk) 03:48, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
If you're this put off by under-regulated monopolistic service providers, one can only imagine the full-blown socialist conversion you'll experience when you're fucked into bankruptcy by your insurance provider over a hospitalization. Semipenultimate (talk) 16:27, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
What happens when the insurance provider is fucked into bankruptcy by mandatory coverage? nobsEpstein didn't kill himself 18:59, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
Like, say, in Scandinavia, where the child mortality rate is now higher than in Afghanistan and nobody can get healthcare?𝔖𝔲𝔪𝔪𝔞 𝔄𝔱𝔥𝔢𝔬𝔩𝔬𝔤𝔦𝔠𝔞 (𝔮𝔲𝔢𝔯𝔢𝔩𝔦𝔰) (𝔰𝔠𝔯𝔦𝔭𝔱𝔲𝔯𝔞) 20:37, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
Too bad Nobs can't move to Afghanistan in good conscience. Afghanistan also has state-regulated internet (Internet in AfghanistanWikipedia's W.svg). Bongolian (talk) 20:45, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
Not to mention loose gun laws, strong family values, and strong measures taken against creeping secularism and the gay agenda.𝔖𝔲𝔪𝔪𝔞 𝔄𝔱𝔥𝔢𝔬𝔩𝔬𝔤𝔦𝔠𝔞 (𝔮𝔲𝔢𝔯𝔢𝔩𝔦𝔰) (𝔰𝔠𝔯𝔦𝔭𝔱𝔲𝔯𝔞) 21:01, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
Huh? Like the Bacha baziWikipedia's W.svg? nobsEpstein didn't kill himself 22:36, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
Which was harshly suppressed under the Taliban and is generally illegal under Afghan law.𝔖𝔲𝔪𝔪𝔞 𝔄𝔱𝔥𝔢𝔬𝔩𝔬𝔤𝔦𝔠𝔞 (𝔮𝔲𝔢𝔯𝔢𝔩𝔦𝔰) (𝔰𝔠𝔯𝔦𝔭𝔱𝔲𝔯𝔞) 22:41, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
Well, evidently Afghan law is not being enforced. nobsEpstein didn't kill himself 02:00, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
Laws generally aren't enforced after Uncle Sam brings freedom.𝔖𝔲𝔪𝔪𝔞 𝔄𝔱𝔥𝔢𝔬𝔩𝔬𝔤𝔦𝔠𝔞 (𝔮𝔲𝔢𝔯𝔢𝔩𝔦𝔰) (𝔰𝔠𝔯𝔦𝔭𝔱𝔲𝔯𝔞) 18:40, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
From 632 A.D. until 1996 A.D., Islamic law, culture, and traditions were in place. Then the Taliban outlawed gay pedophilia, putting them at odds with Shi'ism and the corrupting influences of American society and culture. nobsEpstein didn't kill himself 19:09, 22 January 2020 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Afghanistan didn't even become mostly Muslim until at least the 9th century. And it wasn't that abrupt: Islam generally strongly condemns homosexuality. Is your comment supposed to be serious or sarcastic?𝔖𝔲𝔪𝔪𝔞 𝔄𝔱𝔥𝔢𝔬𝔩𝔬𝔤𝔦𝔠𝔞 (𝔮𝔲𝔢𝔯𝔢𝔩𝔦𝔰) (𝔰𝔠𝔯𝔦𝔭𝔱𝔲𝔯𝔞)

Considering there was a 20% margin of error in the dating, I'll stand corrected. However the question of Muhammad's gay pedophilia remains hotly contested. Shi'ism and the Ayatollah's appear to be supportive. Whatever the case, the Taliban risks going against several Islamic and Afghan cultural traditions, whereas the American military under its Commander-in-Chief Barack Obama allegedly is tolerant. [12] nobsEpstein didn't kill himself 22:04, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
What, what? Who said the prophet Muhammad was a gay pedophile? I never heard of anyone saying that. I similarly haven't heard about the stuff you cite with the Shias. Even if it is true, the Shias and the Taliban hate each other anyway, and their being at each other's throats as inevitable. Also, PBS [htt ps:// says] the practice was "recently revived" which implies that it formerly was far less of a problem.𝔖𝔲𝔪𝔪𝔞 𝔄𝔱𝔥𝔢𝔬𝔩𝔬𝔤𝔦𝔠𝔞 (𝔮𝔲𝔢𝔯𝔢𝔩𝔦𝔰) (𝔰𝔠𝔯𝔦𝔭𝔱𝔲𝔯𝔞) 22:29, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
The Muhammad article makes a passing reference to it. The Ayatollah Khomeini is said have stated in 1979,
A man can quench his sexual lusts with a child as young as a baby. However, he should not penetrate. Sodomizing the baby is halal (allowed by sharia). If the man penetrates and damages the child, then he should be responsible for her subsistence all her life. This girl, however, does not count as one of his four permanent wives. The man will not be eligible to marry the girl’s sister. It is better for a girl to marry when her menstruation starts, and at her husband's house rather than her father's home. Any father marrying his daughter so young will have a permanent place in heaven [13]
and has bee accused of marrying a 4 year old girl. [14] I dunno, maybe it's just a Sunni/Saudi plot. nobsEpstein didn't kill himself 21:27, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
That's the key word: accused. Nobody ever proved anything. Tellingly, your source is a highly Islamophobic website that basically admits to being racist. Also, the ruling he wrote allows marriage to young girls, not boys. It is straight, not gay, pedophilia that he is condoning. I'm pretty sure, given that the U.S right has strong Saudi links, it's likely one of their plots.𝔖𝔲𝔪𝔪𝔞 𝔄𝔱𝔥𝔢𝔬𝔩𝔬𝔤𝔦𝔠𝔞 (𝔮𝔲𝔢𝔯𝔢𝔩𝔦𝔰) (𝔰𝔠𝔯𝔦𝔭𝔱𝔲𝔯𝔞) 19:01, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
Islamophobic or Shiaphobic? they are two different things. nobsEpstein didn't kill himself 19:03, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
Oh, and Saudi Arabia is a "frontline state" in the war against Putin/Iran/Solemeini aggression. Withholding aid to a frontline ally would threaten national security. nobsEpstein didn't kill himself 19:06, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
The Saudis are funders of terrorists, we shouldn't be allies with them. Oxyaena Harass 19:28, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
@RobSmith Islamophobic. They even have a whole sub-section called "Counter-Jihad". I also never proposed withholding aid to the Saudis.𝔖𝔲𝔪𝔪𝔞 𝔄𝔱𝔥𝔢𝔬𝔩𝔬𝔤𝔦𝔠𝔞 (𝔮𝔲𝔢𝔯𝔢𝔩𝔦𝔰) (𝔰𝔠𝔯𝔦𝔭𝔱𝔲𝔯𝔞) 23:18, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
Aid to Saudi Arabia is in the frontline of defense against Putin/Iranian aggression; withholding aid would be a high crime and impeachable offense, nobsEpstein didn't kill himself 01:10, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
Well, that depends. Was the aid approved through Congress? Is the witholding made in public through proper channels? Does the President benefit in any personal way? Does a transcript show clear evidence of a clumsy extortion attempt? And anecdotally, when any information is revealed, how much do the arguments and defenses change as a result i.e. have the defenders proceeded in any way from 'the President didn't do X' to 'X is not a crime when the President does it'? Semipenultimate (talk) 22:52, 29 January 2020 (UTC)
Thank you. I dangled the bait and you swallowed it. Saudi Arabia is not a welfare case - they can pay their own way. We don't "give them aid", we sell them arms. nobsFree Roger Stone! 01:59, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
My statement addresses an approach to analysis as to whether or not power has been abused; at no point did I refer to SA or any other contents of whatever bucket of shit you were trying to stir. However thank you for confirming that witholding approved aid (i.e. abuse of power) is an impeachable offense. Semipenultimate (talk) 17:00, 31 January 2020 (UTC)
That extrapolation is perhaps in error. nobsFree Roger Stone! 18:19, 31 January 2020 (UTC)


Vladimir Putin's inner Brezhnev boy

Based on the nature of your recent edits,[15] it is clear that the real "Rob Smith" was "suicided",[16] and that whoever took over his account is actually a crisis actor. Bongolian (talk) 08:14, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

Nobody here but us Rusbots. Herr Smith is in a meeting with Señor Putin. Care to leave a message? nobsFree Roger Stone! 08:52, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
So, you admit to being a commie tool, just like John Bolton has been accused of being.[17] Bongolian (talk) 19:18, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
Absolutely. Comrade Schiff says John Bolton "lacks credibility" and I'm just tag-teaming. nobsFree Roger Stone! 21:22, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
all hail mother russia. EK (talk) 12:10, 31 January 2020 (UTC)


Staying indoors like the doctors say or are you following your inept dear leader's lead? Oxyaena Harass 13:35, 19 March 2020 (UTC)

be safe, don't die. 🙏 EK (talk) 13:46, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
He's too busy spreading lies[18][19] about the 'Wuhan Virus'[20] to go outside. Bongolian (talk) 17:38, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
They canceled the shuffleboard tournament down at the senior center so now I'm forced to stay home giving my time to study an prayer (believe it or not, I'm even praying for all godless communist sinners, Democrats, and homosexuals).
So far it looks like this Leftist Chinese plot may be failing; rather than kill off all boomers and red state America, it looks like Democrat base among the homeless may take a real beating. This is why the CCP can't be trusted; they didn't coordinate with the DNC and Deep State in this reprisal action in the trade war. Pity. Such fools. America will return to a pre-Nixon view of China for many years to come. nobsFree Roger Stone! 18:52, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
That's actually related to a question I've had for a week or so now. With the lockdown, Times Square is empty, or at least emptyish and devoid of tourists. The trains are empty. The parks are empty. What's happening with the homeless? They beg everyone that passes by for a few dollars in order to grab a bite to eat or (or, yes, drugs). That's stopped. So what are the homeless doing now? CoryUsar (talk) 21:52, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
The homeless are in serious trouble. It's a group that generally is not very well informed, doesn't pay attention to news, have underlying health conditions that place them at risk (alcoholism and drug addiction weaken immune protections), live in crowded unsanitary conditions, and generally are not very responsive to governmental directions. At the pace this virus travels, it could wipe out the homeless community before any single member was alerted or educated to the danger. nobsFree Roger Stone! 23:25, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
Ditto for jails and rest homes. Semipenultimate (talk) 15:29, 20 March 2020 (UTC)