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Beware All Commies Who Enter Here to Have Your Ass Handed to You (rhetorically speaking) on a Popsicle Stick.

Remember how CP used to call Obama a king[edit]

Well, now trump is issuing decrees by tweet ordering businesses to cease doing business with China. Hypocrisy on one hand and slavish devotion to Trump on the other. King Obama indeed.... Acei9 01:43, 24 August 2019 (UTC)

But Trump is the true God-Emperor, afterall he said so.[1] Nobs, thou shalt kneel and kiss thine emperor's ring… piece. Bongolian (talk) 01:49, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
Ave Imperator Commie Lib (talk) 02:04, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
We'll see what Customs and DEA have to say about it. I mean, c'mon, how naive are you guys. Connect the dots. Trump's giving U.S air carriers a heads up. They can try to fly their crap to Mexico or South America, but I doubt that would work. nobsDie fascists! Make America Great! 02:23, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
What the hell are you talking about? Cosmikdebris (talk) 02:41, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
Trump telling FedEx, UPS and the US Post Office to stop flying crap from China to the US. nobsDie fascists! Make America Great! 02:54, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
Everyone at CP freaked out at the “you didn’t build that”, Obama’s communist assault on free enterprise. But King Donald ordering business by decree to not engage with China - no problem. I never figured you for a socialist Rob. Acei9 02:59, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
(ec) That's just plain crazy. Private enterprise is not bound to unhinged tweets from a megalomaniac. Cosmikdebris (talk) 03:00, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
So a tweet has the authority of an Executive Order, evidently. When the EO does come down, FedEx, UPS et al will be grateful for the heads up. nobsDie fascists! Make America Great! 03:11, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
We all know how you and your CP friends work:
Obama “I order business to cease trade with China” = communist monster!
Trump “I order business to cease trade with China” = The Chosen One!
Easy. Acei9 03:18, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
Obama shipped 200,000 manufacturing jobs to China and limited job creation with the ACA employer mandate; Trump was chosen by God to undo Obamunism and end the globalist/Chinese rape of the U.S. trade deficit. nobsDie fascists! Make America Great! 03:32, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
So god chose a vulgar, womanising, blatantly unchristian buffoon as his emissary on Earth? Acei9 03:40, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
Then Trumps decrees set about crashing the markets for the day. But still a god to Rob. Acei9 06:04, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
Nobs, that's heresy and blasphemy of the highest order. Evangelicals have long abandoned the light of the Lord, now they just are flaunting it openly. Oxyaena Harass 06:05, 24 August 2019 (UTC)

Section in which Rob babbles about race for no reason or prompting[edit]

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Ok. I'll come clean. I have a guilty conscience over this. I put a lot of work into researching this:

Maddow uses her show to deliver racist rants against outsourcing jobs to China and India.[2][3][4][5][6][7].The Dark Side of the Outsourcing Revolution, By Naeem Mohaiemen, AlterNet, January 23, 2004.Does Outsourcing Create Racism? Yahoo Answers.Is 'Outsourced' racist? NBC's new comedy, set in a Mumbai call center, is drawing charges that it's culturally insensitive, Review, The Week, September 24, 2010.Outsourced Racism, New Republic, Neera Tanden, May 5, 2010.</ref><ref>"at the World Economic Forum trade a British unionist, Philip Jennings, boldly declared that outsourcing white-collar jobs to low-wage developing countries, especially India and China, would provoke ... opposition of developed-world labour unions to trade liberalisation, especially in relation to outsourcing, imports of cheap consumer goods and labour migration, can easily fuel racism within the West in the 21st century." [2]Transcript: The Rachel Maddow Show, Thursday. October 14, 2010.

On the surface it would appear Rachel Maddow and I have flipped our respective positions. I'll admit, I was wrong to call her racist then, and she needs to admit she is wrong calling Trump supporters racist now. nobsDie fascists! Make America Great! 03:54, 24 August 2019 (UTC)

This isn't hard to understand: In 2010 I called opponents of free trade racists, as represented by Rachel Maddow (see footnote 5 especially). In 2019 it appears Maddow and I have flipped our positions - she's a big critic of Trump who is undoing free trade policies - I've adopted the position of opposing "imports of cheap consumer goods and labour migration" which "can easily fuel racism within the West in the 21st century." I was wrong then to call Maddow a racist, and she needs to admit her error now calling the anti-free trade movement "racist." nobsDie fascists! Make America Great! 18:29, 25 August 2019 (UTC)
You are a racist. Trump is a racist, his policies are designed to negatively effect ethnic minorities (and minorities overall). You support him, therefore you support his policies, therefore you you support racism, therefore you are racist. Whether you admit this fact is irreverent. ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 18:38, 25 August 2019 (UTC)
Oh by the way, there's no debating or discussing these facts. I've met the burden of proof, and showed a chain of causation, you're either dishonest or in denial. ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 18:40, 25 August 2019 (UTC)
And my conversion to being pro-tariff is not a matter of convenience. From the late 1970s until 2014 I embraced the Reaganesque line (which traces its origins to FDR & Truman) that free trade promotes democracy. By 2014 (and there are recorded discussions of this in RW archives) I began dismissing this idea with the realization that free trade only strengthened tyrannical regimes (China and Iran as examples). True, Trump held these views since at least 1986, and I never fully embraced them until after Trump put his foot down and proved he was serious, going against the Washington consensus with Chinese tariffs. I am not alone among GOPers, who used to regard the anti-free trade movement as racist, until the Midwestern rednecks spoke out in 2016 and said they would rather have jobs than government provided opioids to soothe their losses. nobsDie fascists! Make America Great! 18:45, 25 August 2019 (UTC)
GrammarCommie: " his policies are designed to negatively effect ethnic minorities ". This is bull. immigration restrictions aid minorities, as witnessed by the lowest unemployment figures on record. nobsDie fascists! Make America Great! 18:49, 25 August 2019 (UTC)
Yeah... No. It benefits rich white men. You're talking out of your ass. ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 20:21, 25 August 2019 (UTC)
As always. Oxyaena Harass 21:10, 25 August 2019 (UTC)

You're welcome[edit]

A case involving you has been raised at the Chicken Coop. Feel free to comment. Bongolian (talk) 00:47, 25 August 2019 (UTC)

So, how's that "Retiring to spend more time with family." working out?[3] Bongolian (talk) 19:04, 27 August 2019 (UTC)
He clarified that was for the elections. In other words it was nobs trolling as usual. Oxyaena Harass 19:39, 27 August 2019 (UTC)
Right. Now that I have ceased from my own labors, I feel the responsibility to share the wisdom and knowledge God has graced me with to unenlightened idiots children of the younger generation. nobsDie fascists! Make America Great! 20:04, 27 August 2019 (UTC)
Yes of course God Trump has given you all the wisdom and knowledge you need.--RipCityLiberal (talk) 23:10, 27 August 2019 (UTC)
Actually, it was Richard Nixon. nobsDie fascists! Make America Great! 00:10, 28 August 2019 (UTC)
So... was he a crook? — Dysk (contribs) 08:56, 28 August 2019 (UTC)
Nah, he got framed. He made too may enemies with the cp:Alger Hiss case, and it was just payback for an old vendetta.
You can't take on the Deep State - JFK got hauled out in a box, Nixon was railroaded out of town; it remains to be seen what will happen to Trump. He doesn't seem inclined to making an accommodation with them, and he knows the history of what happened to JFK & Nixon. nobsDie fascists! Make America Great! 09:06, 28 August 2019 (UTC)
Move over communism, the deep state has now become your new boogeyman. Any scandal, no matter how disconnected, is part of the Deep State. Rob's coffee goes cold - DEEP STATE! Acei9 09:22, 28 August 2019 (UTC)
Well, listen to these 5 minutes of this JFK speech, and tell me what the hel;l he's talking about. nobsDie fascists! Make America Great! 09:28, 28 August 2019 (UTC)
I am not a crook. Oxyaena Harass 09:45, 28 August 2019 (UTC)
The 'I am not a crook' quote is one of the most bizarre in the Nixon story - and it has nothing to do with Watergate.
The lame duck Congress (Dec. 1968) before Nixon took office changed the tax law. Nixon appraised his VP papers during the transition to take a charitable tax deduction (on the advice of LBJ). The most valuable item was a 1956 letter from Martin Luther King (killed Apr. 1968). A Nixon flunky backdated the transfer of the charitable deduction in the months that followed to make the transaction appear to have taken affect before the new law took affect. Nixon had no knowledge of the accountant backdating the document. In Nixon's second term, Nixon came under IRS audit. The Watergate fishing expedition was producing nothing, and the public had trouble understanding what Nixon was accused of. The new accusation was that Nixon took an illegal deduction, got a $250,000 refund, and bought a Key Biscayne property (the 'Florida White House'). When asked about it, he said 'I am not a crook. I earned every dime'. Fake news media was only too willing to spin that into something that had to do with the convoluted Watergate revelations.
And Congress only changed the law cause Nixon was coming into office. LBJ and others had taken advantage of this same loophole.
So Congress had disallowed public servants from taking a deduction for donation of their papers. When Nixon challenged the IRS (Nixon vs. United States) SCOTUS ruled the papers were the government's property. Hillary Clinton's emails were not her own private property to delete under this same ruling. She knew better. nobsDie fascists! Make America Great! 10:07, 28 August 2019 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Holy fuck this is amazing lol--RipCityLiberal (talk) 15:19, 28 August 2019 (UTC)

Leaving aside a discussion of Hillary's deleted emails being akin to Nixon's 18 minute gap in Oval Office tapes, look at the IG Comey carve out report. Comey argues that 7 memos he wrote of conversations with the President were his private property, as Nixon argued Oval Office tape recordings were Nixon's private property.
Now, do you believe Comey is making a good faith argument?
And let's leave aside discussing whether's Comey exoneration of Clinton overturns the Watergate precedent regarding government files. nobsDie fascists! Make America Great! 20:19, 29 August 2019 (UTC)

High score[edit]

Technically the win to loss ratio is 9-0 now fyi. Oxyaena Harass 18:10, 28 August 2019 (UTC)

Horowitz IG Report[edit]

Isn't it funny how literally NOTHING you said would be in the report is there? Like zilch, nada, zero. I expect that you'll cease with this nonsense and accept that the Mueller report is an accurate accounting of the facts and the investigation was in no way criminal. Also that Michael Flynn is fucking guilty.--RipCityLiberal (talk) 18:22, 29 August 2019 (UTC)

Duh, this is the separate Comey carve out report, not the FISA abuse report.
You will recall, there was a McCabe carve out report separate from OIG Clinton email report. nobsDie fascists! Make America Great! 18:47, 29 August 2019 (UTC)
About that, very simple question I've been waiting some time for you to answer, a straightforward number, no need to branch out just yet: in what year was a FISA warrant first obtained for Carter Page? Semipenultimate (talk) 19:49, 29 August 2019 (UTC)
October 21, 2016, with three renewals every 90 days for the next year.
More importantly, FISA Section 702 does not need a warrant - it is supposed to be used against non-citizens outside the United States. It was used illegally against U.S. citizens since 2012, and particularly against Hillary Clinton opponents beginning in the July 2015-November 2015 timeframe. FISA abuse first came under review after this timeframe. nobsDie fascists! Make America Great! 19:55, 29 August 2019 (UTC)
Agents of foreign governments, even if they are US citizens, can have their communications with said foreign governments be subjected to FISA warrants. As it turns out, 2016 was not actually the first time a FISA warrant was obtained for Carter Page. The correct answer is '2013'. Now, the next question: what did Page do in 2013 with respect to a foreign government that might justify the FBI's FISA warrant? Semipenultimate (talk) 20:21, 29 August 2019 (UTC)
Ha Ha! Now you are getting at what was withheld from the FISA court. Page is UCE-1 in this DOJ Press Release.
The FBI obtained the recordings after Sporyshev attempted to recruit an FBI undercover employee (“UCE-1”) [Carter Page] who was posing as an analyst from a New York-based energy company. In response to requests from Sporyshev, [Carter Page] provided Sporyshev with binders containing purported industry analysis written by [Carter Page] and supporting documentation relating to [Carter Page's] reports, as well as covertly placed recording devices."
While the court (and media) have been told for three years now that Russians tried to recruit Page in 2013, they have not been told that Page reported the attempted recruitment to the FBI and went to work for them as a paid undercover operative.
Ironically, the public Press Release and thanks given (anonymously as UCE-1) to Page in March 2016 happened only 10 days before he volunteered for the trump campaign. nobsDie fascists! Make America Great! 20:30, 29 August 2019 (UTC)
How can there be an abuse of FISA, if by your stated time when they issued it in 2016, the FBI had already been investigating Russian connections to the Trump campaign for three months?--RipCityLiberal (talk) 21:03, 29 August 2019 (UTC)
Also the source you've included is the SDNY, but it doesn't name the UCE. And since Page has been bragging about being an informal consult of the Kremlin since 2013, this seems like a stretch.--RipCityLiberal (talk) 21:10, 29 August 2019 (UTC)
Now you're seeing the outline.
Snowden described the the potential for abuse :"I, sitting at my desk, certainly had the authorities to WIRETAP anyone, from you, or your accountant, to a federal judge, to even the President if I had a personal" identifier. This is the FISA 702 system. The FISA court has ruled abuse was occurring since 2012.
When NSA director Adm. Rogers discovered the abuse, he shut it down in April 2016. FusionGPS was hired the next day.
FBI 'contractors' were responsible for the abuse. This is where Nellie Ohr comes in. After outside contractor access was cutoff, illegal FISA 702 data was funneled outside the FBI [to FusionGPS] to make it appear the surveillance data was coming from outside the FBI.
Before going farther, you need an understanding of the difference between a FISA Title I warrant, and FISA 702 data. nobsDie fascists! Make America Great! 22:27, 29 August 2019 (UTC)
My god, NONE OF WHAT YOU SAID HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH THIS. I'm starting to believe the only reason you ride with Trump is you both suffer from the same syphilitic brain disability to process simple information.--RipCityLiberal (talk) 15:08, 30 August 2019 (UTC)
Duh, I wasn't talking to you, I was talking to Semipenultimate.
You haven't a clue what you are talking or writing about, to wit (a) Flynn is no longer cooperating with his plea agreement, and (b) you haven't a clue about the IG reports.
The whole basis for the origins of Russia investigation are slowly being undermined, as well as the Mueller report itself. If you think your hard work and ignorance now will pay some dividend in the 2020 election year, you're just emblematic of how far out of touch with reality leftwing extremists such as yourself are. nobsDie fascists! Make America Great! 16:06, 30 August 2019 (UTC)
A)Flynn has completed his cooperation...which the gov't announced today. Now he is the one delaying his sentencing, because he shuffled his defense team.
B)The IG report is pretty clear that nothing Comey did was illegal, he did not release any confidential information, and they aren't pursuing any litigation.
The only ignorant person here is you, who refuses to acknowledge basic facts in favor wild conspiracies and baseless accusations against people simply because Trump doesn't like them.--RipCityLiberal (talk) 17:40, 30 August 2019 (UTC)
Well, I can see this has been constructive - you are updating yourself on the Flynn case. Secondly, read the conclusion in the Comey IG report, beginning at page 54. nobsDie fascists! Make America Great! 18:55, 30 August 2019 (UTC)
Nobs, the fact that Page was already a known foreign asset is something that Republicans have been trying to hide; if he's an agent of a foreign power, Title I covers a broad base of his activities. But it's better optics to convince people that he was monitored out of the blue, which is why 702 comes up so often as a way to confuse the issue. And yes, 702 abuse has taken place across multiple presidencies, and is no doubt continuing to take place under the current president. But you are conflating the two: Page was monitored via Title I, due to his self-reported affiliation. 702 was not used to monitor Carter Page since his pre-existing status - do you agree that this is what the facts state? Semipenultimate (talk) 20:54, 30 August 2019 (UTC)
You'll have to wait for the full FISA abuse report. Its gonna be a big deal. The future of the FISA Act and FISA Court are at issue. nobsDie fascists! Make America Great! 01:48, 31 August 2019 (UTC)
Judiciary Chairman Lindsey Graham says (a) the CIA was likely involved in the origins of Trump-Russia and (b) the results of these investigations will likely lead to the reorganization of the Justice Department. nobsDie fascists! Make America Great! 15:13, 1 September 2019 (UTC)
Then I suppose the conversation is on hold until this FISA report comes out and it has provable evidence of what you're claiming beyond hearsay, or if Lindsay Graham can also substantiate his claims with actual evidence. Semipenultimate (talk) 20:02, 4 September 2019 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Well, yah. Let's prepare for an alternative scenario. What happens when

  1. FusionGPS is identified as one of the FBI contractors that is guilty of FISA 702 abuse since the fall of 2015;
  2. Joseph Mifsud is confirmed as a Western intelligence asset working for John Brennan;
  3. Papadopoulos is confirmed to have been set up, first by Brennan, later by Mueller;
  4. Comey, Sally Yates, Andrew McCabe, John Carlin, Rod Rosentein, and Dana Boente are all confirmed to have lied to the FISA court;
  5. Michael Flynn's conviction is thrown out.

What then? nobsDie fascists! Make America Great! 23:38, 4 September 2019 (UTC)

Motherfucker you have been saying the delay for sentencing was some ridiculous conspiracy, when he was continuing to cooperate with the government, until he changed his legal team, so they didn't use him to testify against his business partner. There isn't a single thing in that report that confirms any of the bullshit your spewing.--RipCityLiberal (talk) 21:26, 30 August 2019 (UTC)
Not me. Flynn's lawyers. Read their motion today:
"Mr. Flynn requests that this Court (i) issue an order to show cause why the government should not be held in contempt because of their violation of this Court’s Standing Order and their legal and ethical duties to produce exculpatory and impeachment evidence to the defense; (ii) thereafter find the prosecutors in contempt of this Court’s Brady order; (iii) issue an order to them and to the Department of Justice to preserve all evidence, emails, notes, documents, texts, cell phones—including those of the Special Counsel team—and (iv) order the Department of Justice to produce all evidence the defense requests in our accompanying Motion and any and all other Brady information in the government’s possession. [4] nobsDie fascists! Make America Great! 01:47, 31 August 2019 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Another excerpt from the Flynn motion:

  • "[Andrew] Weissmann and Ms. [Zainab] Ahmad while at DOJ in 2016-17 were working with cp:Bruce Ohr (then the fourth highest ranking member of DOJ) to feed information from his wife Nellie at cp:FusionGPS and British citizen cp:Christopher Steele to the FBI through his secret back-channel. This was happening after the FBI terminated Mr. Steele as a paid informant because he was keeping the press informed of his “findings.” FusionGPS, Steele, and Ms. Ohr were all working for the Clinton campaign. In addition, Ms. Ohr worked for the CIA. The entire operation is further compromised by the fact that the second agent who interviewed Mr. Flynn along with former agent Strzok, was Bruce Ohr’s contact with the FBI and conducted numerous debriefings of Mr. Ohr—passing along to the FBI the corrupted and false information from the Ohrs, Steele, and FusionGPS. That agent may also have joined Special Counsel’s team. Weissmann and Ahmad were not in the DOJ chain of command to be informed by Mr. Ohr at all. They had no legitimate reason to be privy to his operation with FusionGPS and Christopher Steele. Remarkably, despite this involvement, Mr. Weissmann and Ms. Ahmad then went directly to the Special Counsel team, along with Strzok and possibly the second agent, thereby calling into question the entire investigation with their illicit involvement with Ohr and Steele. Closing the circle, Ahmad was co-counsel with Van Grack in the prosecution of Mr. Flynn. It is imperative the defense obtain the Bruce Ohr 302s and notes—unredacted—and all evidence of this circuitous and illicit operation." nobsDie fascists! Make America Great! 15:20, 1 September 2019 (UTC)

Death squads[edit]

You haven't been assassinated yet. Almost seems as if someone was full of shit, but no, that can't possibly be right..... Oxyaena Harass 22:06, 29 August 2019 (UTC)

I dunno; these guys got inside Epstein's ranch which isn't that far from here. There definitely is people there. nobsDie fascists! Make America Great! 22:45, 29 August 2019 (UTC)
Will you notify us when you've been assassinated? Oxyaena Harass 16:07, 30 August 2019 (UTC)
I need to give some thought to a dead man's switch; I've only posted a fraction of what I really know. nobsDie fascists! Make America Great! 16:11, 30 August 2019 (UTC)
Drugs will do that, yes. Oxyaena Harass 16:58, 30 August 2019 (UTC)
I could accept if he was on drugs, but I'm not sure there is a drug on earth that could produce the garbage he spews.--RipCityLiberal (talk) 17:41, 30 August 2019 (UTC)
Ayahuasca is your friend. Oxyaena Harass 18:07, 30 August 2019 (UTC)
He's on the same drug that motivated my father, on his deathbed, barely able to breathe or whisper, to shout out "fucking cunt bitch" when Nancy Pelosi came up on Fox News. You've got to be carefully taught. Semipenultimate (talk) 20:57, 30 August 2019 (UTC)
@ripcity - 'not a drug on earth that could produce the garbage he spews' yes there is. its called cocaine, the drug of choice for pricks everywhere. it would certainly explain his astronomical ego and his propensity to spout absolute dogshit. its drug he'd be more than familiar with too as its very popular with the type of folk hes been surrounded by and been doing business with years. and that's without mentioning the many many claims of him having quite a habit. im surprised no one heres brought it up before. AMassiveGay (talk) 22:25, 1 September 2019 (UTC)
@AMassiveGay I have fucked with cocaine and it has literally never made me a RW lunatic--RipCityLiberal (talk) 22:38, 3 September 2019 (UTC)
sorry I thought this was more trump related stuff. ive no idea about nobs's drug of choice. AMassiveGay (talk) 22:28, 1 September 2019 (UTC)
Yep. That's why building the Wall will raise cocaine prices. nobsDie fascists! Make America Great! 23:05, 1 September 2019 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────@Oxyaena, ayahuasca is not one's friend. Bongolian (talk) 23:14, 3 September 2019 (UTC)

You're saying you wouldn't want to vomit and trip for days while believing you're gonna die? Prude. Oxyaena Harass 00:43, 4 September 2019 (UTC)


Seeing Trump as the chosen one is heretical, no? The way to salvation is through Jesus, not Trump, unless non-Christians are now allowed to become prophets. Oxyaena Harass 21:38, 1 September 2019 (UTC)

Hmmm, I couldn't agree more. Who ever said Trump is the Chosen One as the way to salvation? Fake news media? Trump never made such a claim.
Trump said he is the chosen one of American presidents to stand up to China. Where's there a controversy, other than more Democrat and fake news bullshit? nobsDie fascists! Make America Great! 21:44, 1 September 2019 (UTC)
He literally called himself the Second Coming of God. Oxyaena Harass 22:04, 1 September 2019 (UTC)
No, you literally chose to consume bullshit, stir fried bullshit with a little Rice-a Roni in this case. nobsDie fascists! Make America Great! 23:07, 1 September 2019 (UTC)
He did say,"I love the poorly uneducated.". Now that's downright Christ-like, don't you think?Ariel31459 (talk) 00:00, 2 September 2019 (UTC)
Trump literally looked to the heavens and said "I am the chosen one" Rob. If Obama had done it you'd have flayed him alive on CP. That's the point here - you're completely dishonest. Acei9 01:09, 2 September 2019 (UTC)
I saw the presser. I know the context. He called out NBC and CNN for bullshit right there. The NBC idiot responded with, "Do you think you're the Son of God?" nobsDie fascists! Make America Great! 02:25, 2 September 2019 (UTC)
When someone in power, like a president, looks to the heavens and states they are the chosen one then asking if they believe they are the son of god becomes a relevant question. But that's not the point Rob - you are not holding Trump to the same standard as Obama, or any democrat for that matter. Because you are dishonest. What would be your reaction if Trump actually did try to extend his presidency (which is a fairly good possibility) by 2 years like he is saying? Acei9 02:33, 2 September 2019 (UTC)
Look, you guys are spinning your wheels in self-deception. Comey's been bitch slapped. Mueller and the whole team are getting bitch slapped right now in the Flynn and cp:US vs. Concord Management cases. Brennan, Comey Clapper, McCabe, Strzok, Obama, Rice, et al are about to get bitched slapped by john Durham. Wake up and smell the sulfuric acid - nobody falls for mainstream fake news bullshit anymore. Recycling it into stale crap about racism or God ain't gonna work, either. nobsDie fascists! Make America Great! 05:24, 2 September 2019 (UTC)
That’s got nothing to do with what I actually asked you. Acei9 06:21, 2 September 2019 (UTC)


It's interesting to see that you think that you won every Coop case,[5] including this one[6] even though you were mocked mercilessly and did not get what you wanted. Are you just counting not getting yourself banned as a victory even when you bring up the Coop case yourself? Bongolian (talk) 07:15, 2 September 2019 (UTC)

I'm proly about 15-0 if you count the times before the Coop became a formality. Dang, it seems every time my detractors go for the Gold and try to 86 me. I just have a nasty habit of playing by the rules wherever I go (unlike, say, a liberal communist piece-of-shit like James Comey, for instance). These cases usually end in exposing the paranoid bigots making accusations for what they are. nobsDie fascists! Make America Great! 08:10, 2 September 2019 (UTC)
It's continually amazing to me how you ignore every lie Trump comes up with (about 7 per day currently) and target everyone else. Trump is a proven liar who is ripping off your country. You made Carter sell his peanut fun while Trump open flaunts his breaching the emoluments clause. Amazing. You have no principles at all. Acei9 09:12, 2 September 2019 (UTC)
Comey a liberal communist, amazing. Oxyaena Harass 09:30, 2 September 2019 (UTC)
Seriously, you gotta look at the job he's doing. Don't you think it's time somebody stood up to Chi-na? Don't you think it's time we ended the Korean War? Don't you think it's time we ended the Marshall Plan and rebuilding of Europe? Trump is the chosen one to take those steps. nobsDie fascists! Make America Great! 13:54, 2 September 2019 (UTC)
He's been doing a half-assed job of it, we now are facing a recession thanks to him. I won't deny Trump hasn't done good, but the good is far outweighed by the bad. Oxyaena Harass 13:59, 2 September 2019 (UTC)
Recession is fake news. Sure, multinational corporations listed on Wall Street with a workforce in China will take a beating in the transitional phase, but Wall Street has become disconnected from Main Street - the real U.S. economy. The Dow Jones Industrials no longer gauge the health of the U.S. economy. nobsDie fascists! Make America Great! 15:22, 2 September 2019 (UTC)
If the traditional measures of strength and health of the economy aren't accurate anymore, then what does measure strength and health?Oshawottalot 15:44, 2 September 2019 (UTC)
Well, certainly employment numbers and GDP; stock valuations have little impact, other than income to pension funds and retirees. The capital invested in Wall Street is not so heavily invested in creating American jobs in the age of globalization. For decades now it has gone overseas to "emerging markets." nobsDie fascists! Make America Great! 17:01, 2 September 2019 (UTC)
@Oshawottalot The deaths of innocents, obviously. Genocide and greed is all the GOP lives for these days. ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 16:02, 2 September 2019 (UTC)
The rich are disconnected from the common people, if we don't initiate a revolution we will all pay for their crimes. Oxyaena Harass 22:08, 2 September 2019 (UTC)
Thank God Trump and Barr are getting Epstein and crew off the streets, huh? nobsDie fascists! Make America Great! 23:20, 2 September 2019 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────The Coop is not a court of law: it's based on whatever the majority decides. The rules will guide people's decisions, that's about it. The reality is a majority has of RationalWikians has usually found your paranoid rantings[7] entertaining so they keep you around as someone to taunt and laugh at. Bongolian (talk) 16:21, 2 September 2019 (UTC)

BFD. I'm not the villain alleged. nobsDie fascists! Make America Great! 17:01, 2 September 2019 (UTC)


Do you even care that Trump is hopelessly inept? Acei9 07:53, 4 September 2019 (UTC)

I'm a single issue voter now. I am opposed to human feces in the street. As soon as Trump betrays my and other like-minded people's trust and adopts the Democrat position of being pro-human excrement in the street I will be the first to renounce my support and jump to the opposition. nobsDie fascists! Make America Great! 08:09, 4 September 2019 (UTC)
You see nobs only cares about shit in the streets. He's quite OK with shit all over the WH and bedbugs.--RipCityLiberal (talk) 16:38, 4 September 2019 (UTC)
Nobs does not care that someone has shit for brains. Nobs also does not give a shit about what the Bible says because he thinks he will get to Heaven no matter what he does on Earth. Argumentation with Nobs is consequently a pointless wallow in the sewer. Bongolian (talk) 16:45, 4 September 2019 (UTC)
You got it. It's not a merit system. By grace are ye saved. nobsDie fascists! Make America Great! 20:28, 4 September 2019 (UTC)
He's hopelessly over his head and so unable to admit he is wrong that he goes and draws all over the hurricane map. What kind of idiot does that (it's also a crime but you don't care when Trump breaks the law)? Acei9 00:45, 5 September 2019 (UTC)

Mueller report (cont)[edit]

  1. Politico Aug 6, 2019: Strzok, the former FBI agent who opened the bureau’s Russia probe [8]
  2. NYT Apr 10, 2019: Barr Asserts Intelligence Agencies Spied on the Trump Campaign. “The question is whether it was adequately predicated." [9]
  3. RCL: "if there was evidence to that fact, it would actually be news." This is the focus of IG FISA abuse investigation. Joe diGenova, former United States Attorney for the District of Columbia when the FISA law took effect said "DOJ inspector general found all four Carter Page FISA warrants were illegally obtained." [10]
  4. See #2
  5. You make an interesting point; why did Mueller/Weissmann not specify what date the criminal investigation began? (it is surreptitiously alluded to on pages 89-90, "On June 14, 2017, when the Washington Post reported that the Special Counsel was investigating the President for obstruction of justice, the President was facing what he had wanted to avoid: a criminal investigation into his own conduct..."). McCabe told 60 Minutes he authorized it "the next day" after Comey's firing. Comey awoke at 3:00 AM after his firing with the spark of an idea: if he leaked the memo where trump said, "I hope you can see your way clear to let this go", he believed he had evidence of a crime - obstruction of justice - which then a Special Counsel could investigate. Sen. Grassley wrote Rosentein on May 17, 2018 [11] stating
The regulations authorizing the appointment of a special counsel state that the Attorney General (or Acting Attorney General) may appoint a special counsel “when he or she determinations that criminal investigation of a person or matter is warranted.”18 The Appointment Order proscribes the Special Counsel’s jurisdiction by citing specifically “the investigation confirmed by then-FBI Director James B. Comey in testimony before the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence on March 20, 2017.”19 In his March 20 testimony, former Director Comey referred to “the investigation” as a counterintelligence investigation—not a criminal investigation.
More specifically, section 600.1 states the Attorney General “will appoint a Special Counsel when he or she determines that criminal investigation of a person or matter is warranted.” The omitted regulations do not authorize counterintelligence investigations.
So there is some question about the legality of Mueller's appointment from the git-go. Supposedly it was clarified in the August 2017 and October 2017 scope memos, which President Trump has ordered to be declassified and made public.
  1. Comey IG report, pgs. 56-57
  2. See Grassley letter, May 18, 2018, and August and October 2017 scope memos (there is some indication there may be more scope memos). nobsDie fascists! Make America Great! 22:35, 4 September 2019 (UTC)
You seem to believe you have struck gold with this stream of gobbledygook, so you posted it to mine, yours and the Mueller talk page, and it's a pretty shit argument.--RipCityLiberal (talk) 23:34, 4 September 2019 (UTC)
Actually I fucked up in posting it to the Mueller talk page (those scroll ups fucked me up) and I accidentally created double postings . Sorry. Disregard. I think I got it fixed now.
No. This isn't the end-all-to-beat-all.
The simple facts are: a Special Counsel cannot be appointed in a counterintelligence investigation. Grassley called Rosenstein out on the matter. Rosenstein clarified the scope in at least two (August and October 2017) scope memos. Trump came under criminal investigation after the firing of Comey for alleged obstruction of justice. Durham, Barr, and Horowitz are reviewing the basis for the counterintelligence investigation, which looks rather Nixonian. The FISA law was created so that another Nixon or J. Edgar Hoover in the future could ever do what it appears Obama, Brennan, Comey and Clapper did. nobsDie fascists! Make America Great! 21:09, 5 September 2019 (UTC)

Are You Fucking Ready?[edit] Lol --RipCityLiberal (talk) 04:27, 15 September 2019 (UTC)

Yah, well Schiff will just have to wait til Durham finishes his investigation of Brennan. nobsDie fascists! Make America Great! 06:19, 15 September 2019 (UTC)

I'm amazed you haven't figured out what happened yet. I'll thumb nail it here, and we'll see if Horowitz, Durham, and Judge Sullivan's order in the Flynn case bare me out.

In mid 2015, Brennan and Dearlove wanted to see Hillary elected. Both feared Trump would demand NATO pay more for its own defense, and Brennan wanted to be reappointed. Furthermore, Brennan knew Trump's chief advisor Flynn knew all about Obama's EO authorizing Hillary and Brennan to arm ISIS. Brennan set up a network that included Halper, a former SVR head named Vyacheslav Trubnikov, Christopher Steele, a mid-level Kremlin bureaucrat who became a CIA asset years earlier while working in Washington by the name of Oleg Smolenkov, and Mifsud, who was used unwittingly.

Trubnikov gave Steele the 'pee-pee' kompromat. Smolenkov supposedly gave Brennan high level information linking Putin to Russian meddling. Smolenkov later was extracted, paid, bought a million dollar home in D.C., and lived with his family under their real names after the Sergei Skripal attempted assassination. Steele's 'pee-pee' memo was used by the Obama DOJ and FBI to get a blanket surveillance warrant on the Trump campaign. Hillary and the DNC paid Steele for the information, who paid Trubnikov, who PIDOOMA'd it. Comey, McCabe, et al knew the information was bullshit before they lied to the FISA court. nobsDie fascists! Make America Great! 08:16, 15 September 2019 (UTC)

This has Zero to do with Brennan, and nothing to do with HRC and everything to do with the fact that currently a whistle blower is being silenced in the Trump administration, a directive that could only come from the Executive branch.--RipCityLiberal (talk) 15:53, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
Evangelicals are so hypocritical they're willing to sell their souls to a man who's a known criminal. Oxyaena Harass 16:11, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
a whistle blower is being silenced in the Trump administration, a directive that could only come from the Executive branch
Not really. The situation is the same reason the Horowitz report is taking so long. Whistleblowers "were silenced" during the Mueller probe, and could only be heard after it was completed. Now we have Durham probe. Investigatory material cannot be disclosed to Congress or the public during the coarse of an investigation.
Oh, and Brennan is up to his eyelids; Brennan right now is the chief target of the Durham investigation. The Horowitz IG cp:FISA abuse report will shed more light on how much of a target he is.
And Hillary colluded with Russians to pay for the 'pee-pee' memo; it's been in all the papers. Even CNN, WaPo. and NYT have reported that. nobsDie fascists! Make America Great! 20:26, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
If by 'pee-pee' memo you mean the Steele Dossier, Republican donors paid for it first so...--RipCityLiberal (talk) 18:41, 17 September 2019 (UTC)
Link? (I could give you the specifics, but since you have little interest in facts, I'll work at your pace; And no, the Washington Free Beacon are not Republican donors neither did they employ FusionGPS at the time Steele wrote the 'pee-pee' memo). nobsDie fascists! Make America Great! 19:18, 17 September 2019 (UTC)
"The Free Beacon — which was funded by a major donor [Paul Singer] supporting Mr. Trump’s rival for the party’s nomination, Senator Marco Rubio of Florida — told Fusion GPS to stop doing research on Mr. Trump in May 2016"
Eat shit fucker.--RipCityLiberal (talk) 21:41, 17 September 2019 (UTC)
Yep. The Free Beacon dropped Fusion when Trump wrapped up the nomination in May. Fusion hired Steele on June 12, and Steele wrote the pee-pee memo on June 21. His own words. nobsDie fascists! Make America Great! 04:14, 18 September 2019 (UTC)
Nine days seems like a short amount of time to write a research based memo, it couldn't possibly be that the document was based on research Fusion GPS had already acquired. You know, the way that hiring an experienced intelligence officer to evaluate and summarize collected intelligence works.--RipCityLiberal (talk) 15:53, 18 September 2019 (UTC)
Steele told us where it came from (in the October 11, 2016 Kathleen Kavalec notes from the State Department meeting). Steele told Kavalec the 'pee pee' story came from former SVR head and Brennan and Halper's buddy Vyacheslav Trubnikov. nobsDie fascists! Make America Great! 20:11, 18 September 2019 (UTC)

You ready to hold this L yet? Trump is out here legit holding Congressional allocated funds over a foreign country, in the hopes that investigate a political opponent over a frivolous and false accusation.--RipCityLiberal (talk) 19:47, 20 September 2019 (UTC)

Bullshit. He's seeing to it that the laws of the United States are faithfully executed.
Why haven't you figured out that the U.S. Intelligence Community is at war with itself? Do you honestly believe a couple of low-level bureaucrats can wiretap and listen into the President's phone calls? nobsDie fascists! Make America Great! 04:31, 22 September 2019 (UTC)
First, not a wiretap. Second, your making a lot of assumptions with nil for evidence (Intelligence community have been pretty united, we don't know the level of the whistle blower, and the IG is definitely a political appointee). What possible laws are you referring to? Considering Biden was actually part of the Obama administration you can't say the Logan Act. Also all the evidence indicates this prosecutor had stopped their investigation into the company, and was removed for not being hard enough on corruption. Also, Trump has now admitted at least three times he did do this, which is definitely an abuse of power and the definition of high crimes and misdemeanors--RipCityLiberal (talk) 18:30, 25 September 2019 (UTC).
When you're pissing in the wind, stand with your back to wind, and watchout for your shoes. nobsI'm dumbstrzok! 22:09, 25 September 2019 (UTC)
I have no idea what you're on about but I usually try to piss in the toilet.--RipCityLiberal (talk) 22:42, 25 September 2019 (UTC)
Looks like your about 0-3 right now. Michael Flynn’s Former Partner Acquitted On All Counts. "evidence presented to the jury was insufficient to prove any type of #conspiracy and based mainly on #hearsay". nobsI'm dumbstrzok! 01:18, 26 September 2019 (UTC)
Where is Paul Manafort sleeping tonight? Oh right prison. What about Michael Cohen? Prison. Those stupid fucks that got manipulated by Russian intelligence, also spent time in jail, so thats 5. Not only are you bad at understanding the way investigations or crimes work, I never thought you'd also be terrible at math.--RipCityLiberal (talk) 15:50, 26 September 2019 (UTC)
Manafort is scheduled to be out on or before the day after the 2020 election; Flynn will win bigtime; Papadopolous will get pardoned; and Cohen can rot for a while. He is, after all a Democrat. See what Democrats do to one of their own who goes off the Reservation? nobsI'm dumbstrzok! 16:12, 26 September 2019 (UTC)
"Manafort is scheduled to be out on or before the day after the 2020 election" Lol. For Flynn "winning" is not going to prison, he's definitely gonna get three years supervised release at a minimum. Pardon the Coffee boy? Also you're telling on yourself when celebrate someone being imprisoned based on their political affiliation, and not for you know cheating American taxpayers out of millions of dollars.--RipCityLiberal (talk) 23:24, 26 September 2019 (UTC)
We'll argue this after the October 14 show cause hearing. As to Cohen, he's a prime victim of FISA abuse. We'll see how Horowitz handles his case, but he's not going to get much sympathy or defenders from critics of the corruption that did, in fact, occur. He's on his own to bail himself out and fight back in civil court. nobsI'm dumbstrzok! 05:54, 27 September 2019 (UTC)

Jesus Christ you guys[edit]

No, nobs is never ready for reality, but when it happens he'll have a narrative ready. How many years of this do you need to observe? ikanreed 🐐Bleat at me 18:49, 17 September 2019 (UTC)

Who do you love more?[edit]

Your country or Hispanics? Thanks for helping elect a blatant racist to the highest office in the land, Nobs, really appreciated. Oxyaena Harass 21:46, 17 September 2019 (UTC)

Hey, my girlfriend's a Latina. If I had to choose between her and my country, owww that's a tuff one. Let me put it this way - I'd rather fuck her than get fucked by communists running this country. nobsDie fascists! Make America Great! 04:18, 18 September 2019 (UTC)
So you support your girlfriend over your president? Ooh God-Emperor Donald I won't be pleased when he hears this. Oxyaena Harass 13:42, 18 September 2019 (UTC)
You might be surprised. 2A02:1810:4D34:DC00:6D82:2148:3EE3:8007 (talk) 05:53, 9 October 2019 (UTC)
Oh wow! Token pandering during an election cycle! This definitely overwrites the previous insults and actual legislative decisions made by Trump! ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 15:34, 9 October 2019 (UTC)


Have you tried not pissing into the wind lately? Oxyaena Harass 05:56, 26 September 2019 (UTC)

Pissing in the wind requires some rational analysis and sound decision making to stand with your back to the wind as in the Russia collusion narrative; pissing up a rope, as in the Ukrainian collusion narrative however, defies physical laws of nature, such as gravity. nobsI'm dumbstrzok! 11:02, 26 September 2019 (UTC)


I don’t know what is funnier, Ken trying to convince himself against all evidence to the contrary the NZ is going through some sort of Christian revival or your slavish kowtowing to a criminal president - against all evidence to the contrary. Carry on lads. Acei9 06:30, 7 October 2019 (UTC)

All I can say is, you're going to end up in the gulag if you don't clean up your room. nobsI'm dumbstrzok! 17:20, 7 October 2019 (UTC)

Massive setback to neocons and other globalists: Trump is pulling U.S. troops out of Syria.[edit]

Why is that your headline? Shouldn't it be "Trump allows dictator to attack US allies in the Middle East"? How much longer are you going to push shit uphill Rob? How far can your credulity spread? Acei9 08:54, 8 October 2019 (UTC)

I posted my response here: cp:Talk:Main_Page#Syrian_withdrawal. nobsI'm dumbstrzok! 23:56, 8 October 2019 (UTC)
Aw man, you actually disagreed with that thin-skinned petty asshole about something? Welcome to RINO country, Judas. Semipenultimate (talk) 18:37, 9 October 2019 (UTC)

seriously, you're a traitor[edit]

Do you even feel a little guilty about it? Even a tinge? ikanreed 🐐Bleat at me 13:14, 10 October 2019 (UTC)

What country? No borders! No Walls! No USA At All! nobsI'm dumbstrzok! 13:17, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
I can't believe you'd say that. We need immigration. Who's going to mow our lawns if other <ahem> minority groups are too lazy to do it? nobsNo border! No Wall! No USA at All! 13:25, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
So, no. You don't care that you actively aid and abet literal treason. You hate your country that much? Why? What did the US do to you that you'd betray it? ikanreed 🐐Bleat at me 13:36, 10 October 2019 (UTC)


Trump's a fucking coward and traitor leaving our allies to die at the hands of the Turks. How can you continue to support him? Oxyaena Harass 14:18, 10 October 2019 (UTC)

See above link at cp:Talk:Main_Page#Syrian_withdrawal. I've already posted a press statement. nobsNo border! No Wall! No USA at All! 14:21, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
Yeah, but also you support treason against the united states too. As far as I can tell, just because you hate your country. ikanreed 🐐Bleat at me 15:12, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
Right. I hate transphobia, guns, and concentration camps. I plead guilty. i also hate a corrupt police state. nobsNo border! No Wall! No USA at All! 19:40, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
The problem with contradicting Trump is that you'll soon have to do it again, after consequences arise from his mistake and he then invents some bullshit to try and cover for it. Specifically this time around, it's his assertion that the Kurds are letting ISIS prisoners loose to try and draw us back in again. “Europe had a chance to get their ISIS prisoners, but didn’t want the cost. ‘Let the USA pay,’ they said... Kurds may be releasing some to get us involved.” His own words this morning, no dispute possible. Now if you'd gotten on board with the Trump party line like you should have, you'd be nodding vigorously at the suggestion of Perfidious Kurdistan. However since you've recognized abandoning Syria and the allies we've built there as the fool move it is, this evidence-free attempt to slander them might actually register as the desperate spin attempt it is. Do you again disagree with Donald Trump on something, I wonder - or have you found the free air too confining in its openness? Semipenultimate (talk) 19:41, 14 October 2019 (UTC)
It's all a Russian plot to get NATO to go to war with itself.
Shocking. Horrifying. At least the communist Democrats and hate-filled media are standing up for Christians, huh? Christian World News - Christians, Kurds and Yazidis Under Attack. nobsNo border! No Wall! No USA at All! 20:11, 14 October 2019 (UTC)
Solid deflection, classical name calling, standard whataboutism, not one shred of an answer. 10 out of 10 for the Nobsian style. Although the correct answer is 'Trump lied to both smear the Kurds and cover up his betrayal of them' for those of you playing along at home. Semipenultimate (talk) 20:50, 14 October 2019 (UTC)
It is highly amusing watching CP and the Trump Right studiously sweep Trumps many failings under the carpet. Watching Andy, Rob, Karajou etc betray their inerrant moral standards to a grifter the likes of Donald Trump. If Obama was president they'd be hounding for blood. Then Rob edits a page on left wing the same day a video is released showing Trump committing mass murder of his many perceived enemies. Truly staggering hypocrisy, denial and moral corruption. Acei9 21:59, 14 October 2019 (UTC)
Whaaa? Now the godless communists cry crocodile tears for Christians after Obama's goons went on a non-stop rape and beheading rampage for 4 years. Tell me about it.
George W. Bush and Dick Cheney, and that racist Republican scumbag John McCain would be proud of your concern for the Kurds. nobsNo border! No Wall! No USA at All! 22:20, 14 October 2019 (UTC)
Carry on, Rob, carry on. You're either supremely stupid or a wonderful liar. Acei9 22:24, 14 October 2019 (UTC)
Lemme get this right: Bush was right to liberate the Kurds from Saddam, and Obama fucked up when he abandoned them which led to the ISIS holocaust, so he put 50 troops back in to protect them, which now Trump withdrew in the face of thousands of troops from a NATO ally are decimating them. What facts am I missing? nobsNo border! No Wall! No USA at All! 22:34, 14 October 2019 (UTC)
Why are you talking to me about the Kurds? When did I say anything about them? You're either supremely stupid or a wonderful liar. Acei9 22:38, 14 October 2019 (UTC)
Ok Ace, I'll ask the question on everybody's mind for the past couple of decades: What the hell are you talking about? nobsNo border! No Wall! No USA at All! 22:57, 14 October 2019 (UTC)
Your moral corruption in the face of Trump and your utter hypocrisy. Acei9 23:00, 14 October 2019 (UTC)
Hey, it's Trump critics screaming Viva la Bush now. nobsNo border! No Wall! No USA at All! 23:03, 14 October 2019 (UTC)
Your moral corruption in the face of Trump and your utter hypocrisy. Acei9 23:51, 14 October 2019 (UTC)
Lemme tell you where you guys fucked up: when you started pitching George W, Bush as good and descent guy. How can we take any criticism from the Left serious now? nobsNo border! No Wall! No USA at All! 16:31, 19 October 2019 (UTC)

Hello nobs[edit]

Have you actually swung to the left, or is that just some sort of strange joke? Also sorry for vanishing during that "debate", I was busy and completely forgot about it (talk) 22:45, 14 October 2019 (UTC)

It's odd that Antifa fascists suddenly become patriotic nationalists accusing Trump of treason, isn't it? nobsNo border! No Wall! No USA at All! 23:00, 14 October 2019 (UTC)
Antifascist fascist? — Unsigned, by: / talk
Isn't gay marriage an oxymoron? nobsNo border! No Wall! No USA at All! 00:00, 15 October 2019 (UTC)
No? (talk) 00:11, 15 October 2019 (UTC)
The problem being that you don't care about his totalitarianism, but his treason should bother someone who lies about liking the US. You hate your country and your whole stupid identity is build around pretending to love it. ikanreed 🐐Bleat at me 20:59, 16 October 2019 (UTC)
I'm guessing you replied to the wrong guy, I am a Communist who openly despises Trump and the U.S (talk) 01:20, 19 October 2019 (UTC) (i.p changed because of new internet package)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────If your marriage isn't gay, you're doing it wrong! Bongolian (talk) 04:58, 18 October 2019 (UTC)

Great and unmatched wisdom.[edit]

You would think someone he called themselves “the one”, says “they are a very stable genius” and who proclaims “great and unmatched wisdom” would think to, you know, secure their nukes before falling back and letting their fate be dictated by Turkey. Trump might be the first person in history to accidentally give 50 nuclear weapons to an authoritarian regime. Whoops. Acei9 20:14, 16 October 2019 (UTC)

Now he’s calling himself “strategically brilliant”. Acei9 20:50, 16 October 2019 (UTC)
He also quite the man of letters - though he does write like a 10 year old writing to Santa. Jefferson, Washington and now Trump - brilliant literary prose. Plus he used the word server 8 times in a single long sentence. Will you ever admit the guy is starting to come apart at the seams and the festering feces that is now his brain is pushing itself to the surface. Acei9 04:51, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
Wow....and you have this to say about Beto on CP... questions U.S intelligence assessments over that of our enemies.. Wow Rob, you're hypocrisy knows no bounds given Trump frequently does the exact same thing. I'm always staggered by your total dishonesty and hypocrisy. Acei9 05:35, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
Now into naked corruption with Trump hosting the G7 at his own property and an admission that he did indeed withhold aid to Ukraine. And you support this fraud. Acei9 19:15, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
Wow. Just think. Trump appointed an unregistered agent of Turkey as his first National Security Advisor. James Comey didn't like that. Obama was protecting the guy who tried to overthrow the government of a NATO ally. Just what the hell is going on here? nobsNo border! No Wall! No USA at All! 12:31, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
Both Obama and Trump are criminal fucks, but one's actions do not negate the actions of the other. Oxyaena Harass 16:46, 19 October 2019 (UTC)
Trump did not weaponize the foreign intelligence apparatus against domestic political opponents. Honestly, Trump critics can't see the forest from the trees. nobsNo border! No Wall! No USA at All! 23:16, 19 October 2019 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── It's pretty obvious what happened. I'll narrate the story from about 2012 up to opening of Crossfire Hurricane. if anyone wants a source citation for any statement, just ask. All this info is available from mainstream (open source) reporting:

FISA abuse started about June 2012, per FISA Judge Rosemary Collyer. Flynn had a falling out with Brennan, Clapper, and Obama over weapons supply to Syria rebels (which in 2014 became ISIS). The weapons supply was carried out by then CIA director Gen. Petraeus (per NYT). Petraeus was fired over his refusal to go along with the Benghazi cover story. Flynn was fired in 2014 for refusing to accept jihadis as allies in the war against Gadaffi and Assad. But Flynn knew too much. Brennan, Halper, and Mifsud tried to frame him up as a Russian asset to discredit him.

Through FISA 702 abuse (warrantless wiretaps), Brennan knew everything about George Papadopolous by late 2015. By December 2015, Brennan had Mifsud working to compromise both Flynn and Papadopolous.

Now I'll go off the record: In my opinion, Mifsud may have been used as a stooge, who didn't quite fully understand the ramifications of the tasks Brennan asked him to perform. His specialty is really Saudi Arabia, the Arab world, and India. I don't think he really understands European and American politics at the level of the people who used him. Whatever the case, it appears he wants to come clean now, and return to some semblance of a normal life.

Everything Snowden warned about in 2014 came true in 2016 and onward. nobsNo border! No Wall! No USA at All! 23:46, 19 October 2019 (UTC)