Talk:Love-shy.com

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Is this page even required?

Do we even need to have a page for this crap? I think we can just re-direct it to "Redpill" page. This website is the same as that subreddit.

1. please sign your posts in talk pages with 4 tildes ~

2. this is not about the concept of "loveshy" this is regarding a specific site on the internet. Arawn Emrys (talk) 18:03, 7 November 2016 (UTC)

It's the same ideology, same content that the "redpill" guys say. In my opinion it's repetitive. Rukmaniahuja (talk) 19:53, 7 November 2016 (UTC)

No this page deserves to stay. The sentiment of love-shy differs from that of the general MRA movement. Whilst the general MRA movement is concerned with their owen pseudo academical theories on society and gender, Love-shy is a place for boys who cant get a girl and can not really handle this fact so they blame all of western women and society. Even though I would assume that >95% of all the users on Love-Shy would identify as MRAs, Love-Shy represent a more subtle psychological aspect, or perhaps the whole basis, for the entire Maosphere. Although this page may need a paragraph explaining how Love-Shy diferes from the rest of the MRA movement. TheGrandmother (talk) 12:39, 10 December 2016 (UTC)

The forum has been offline for almost 2-3 years now. The only thing close a successor doesn't even share the same database. Articles were purged about current incel sites on both Wikipedia and here, for separate reasons, but people are holding onto articles about dead incel forums, because... ? 2600:4040:4030:5000:31D9:AE9F:4454:BA01 (talk) 19:56, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

RW has several articles on notable places of crankery that are now offline. Examples include Time Cube (general early Internet cuckoo) and Iron March (noted alt-right fascist site). So I don't think "offline" is an issue here.

That doesn't answer the question of what makes this site notable but not the actually existing sites 2600:4040:4030:5000:4744:600E:80BB:AB22 (talk) 22:57, 27 May 2023 (UTC)

Just a quick Google on reports on the incel community ([1][2]) suggests that this site was in many ways the "OG forum" where a section of the incel movement split away from Alana's original vision and became a prototype for the "incel" movement as it is known today, a misogynistic shitshow that combines whines about not being able to get laid with extremely warped world perceptions. This is why there's been an article about this ex-site since 2012, when the whole incel movement wasn't as well known. So, it needs to be somewhere IMHO. It could be merged into the main incel article, but I'm not exactly too concerned about this having its own article either. Documenting crank fits the mission. Just my opinion, of course. BobJohnson (talk) 23:49, 27 May 2023 (UTC)

It wasn't a forum when it first started, just an informational website. The first conventional forum was incelsite.com in 2003/2004. The RW incel page patrollers already rejected calling love-shy forums incel and deleted references to love-shy forum there. 2600:4040:4030:5000:4744:600E:80BB:AB22 (talk) 00:57, 28 May 2023 (UTC)

incelsite.com, incel.myonlineplace.com etc ran in tandem to love-shy during its entire run, the forum split you are referencing is one from around 2009, not 2003/2004 2600:4040:4030:5000:4744:600E:80BB:AB22 (talk) 00:59, 28 May 2023 (UTC)

This forum gets like a single sentence in GorillaWarfare's incel article on Wikipedia, because no one cares about this forumm except Sarah Gardephe, who made a good indie doc on it. 2600:4040:4030:5000:4744:600E:80BB:AB22 (talk) 22:59, 27 May 2023 (UTC)

The question is more if Love-Shy is notable enough. I'm guessing so, but there are a large number of edits by Neiltyson1fan that might need to be checked due to that account's crankery elsewhere. (It looked okay at first glance, but I didn't check long.) BobJohnson (talk) 16:41, 27 May 2023 (UTC)

Wouldn't it be better if this page gets send back to the draft section to inspect Neiltyson1fan's edits? Arcadium Trancefer (talk) 18:29, 27 May 2023 (UTC)

You'd have to send like 300 pages back to draft to redo his and/or his alts and meatpuppets edits 2600:4040:4030:5000:4744:600E:80BB:AB22 (talk) 23:05, 27 May 2023 (UTC)

Justice is a social construct

X: it's not my fault that I have low IQ. RW: no it's not, poverty is the cause of low IQ

X: it's not my fault that I am poor. RW: no it's not. Vicious cycle of poverty.

X: it's not my fault that I do not have a job. RW: no it's not. We need to address the situation with more laws.

X: it's not my fault that I can't get laid. RW: yes it is.

Improving these incel's social skills (hey, that is what pickup teachers are promising to do) would do little. Some of incels might get lucky and move to "normal" group, yet same amount of "normals" would drop to incels.^{— Unsigned, by: Alliumnsk / talk / contribs}

Site shut down entirely

"Is" should be turned to "was" etc. Their new site love-shy.net does not use the same database, and the old site does not redirect to it, and so technically is not the same siteNeiltyson1fan (talk) 10:05, 25 June 2020 (UTC)

update: old site now redirects, but still not same database Neiltyson1fan (talk) 20:22, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

This page existing now sort of conflicts with incel

Now that a decision was apparently made on incel to not mention it on incel. Do you all want to AFD this or say it wasn't incel and just love-shy or what. 2600:8806:0:C2:3D0C:6EDF:60CB:76F (talk) 13:51, 23 February 2022 (UTC)