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Surely the use of the word "alleged" in from of the term "medium" is redundant? Is there any other kind of medium?

While on one level I agree with you, since no one is actually a "medium", they can only be "alleged" or "self described" and we should say that. Otherwise, it reads like we acknowledge that there are such beings. ħumanUser talk:Human 16:31, 20 August 2008 (EDT)
Personally, I think of myself more as "rare" than "medium". --AKjeldsenCum dissensie 16:37, 20 August 2008 (EDT)

Yeah, there are other kinds of mediums, see map–territory relation. The fact that "authentic mediums" only exist conceptually, but not in reality, doesn't matter. This is particularly true since a decent percentage of the time that the term "medium" is used, it's intended to mean "authentic medium". --Toiretni 16:43, 20 August 2008 (EDT)

I do not think it helpful for the phrase 'magick is the art and science of causing change in accordance with will' to link to http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Psychokinesis. Crowley was a master of the 'double entendre' and used this method to expose and mock simpletons such as pagans, 'new age hippy types' and of course Christians, whom he loved to shock and outrage. It simply means introducing a change in reality, or the environment, as is willed by an individual. In the same way, I am making a change to this RW page in accordance with my will. Thus Crowley added the K to the word magic to differentiate the two totally different concepts. This view of the will was adopted from the works of Nietzsche. --Dirk Steele (talk) 18:32, 7 September 2012 (UTC)