Talk:Scottish National Party

Ending forced marriages

I see that this is, according to the article, a major evil in Scotland. I wonder if someone could expand on this as I was unaware that was a particularly Scottish problem. Perhaps the article is trying to be ironic with the comment "(The real evil in Scotland)", but irony is hard to identify if you know little about a subject - so it just leaves the reader confused. --Weirdstuff (talk) 15:16, 28 June 2013 (UTC)

Can someone who isn't a nat have a go?

Christ alive, did Mhairi Black write this?^{— Unsigned, by: [[User:|User:]] / [[User talk:|talk]] / contribs}

This whole article needs re-writing

I mean, this really is ridiculously biased in favour of the SNP, a party which is far from perfect and has more than its fair share of crank ideas and authoritarian tendencies; given the purpose of RationalWiki, these should be addressed. One glaring example: the author employs a familiar strawman in claiming that unionists (a contentious label in itself) regard Scotland as 'Too wee, too poor, and too stupid' for independence, a phrase originally from John Swinney (former SNP leader), and tediously repeated by nationalists ever since in response to any case against independence.^{— Unsigned, by: Stadius / talk / contribs}

I have no knowledge of the subject, but as this is a wiki, you're welcome to contribute to the article :-) Carpetsmoker (talk) 12:59, 24 October 2015 (UTC)

I don't really have an inclination to get caught up in an edit war with cybernats (the party's infamous online troll army) Stadius (talk) 14:38, 24 October 2015 (UTC)Stadius

As long as the SNP never, ever touches on the Palestine issue, you needn't worry about edit wars. Plutoniumboss (talk) 03:01, 11 November 2015 (UTC)

Okay :-) I will say that if your edits are reasonable, and all accusations and such are well sourced, other editors will help you out if your edits get reverted ;-) Carpetsmoker (talk) 16:59, 24 October 2015 (UTC)

Actually, the article seems to have zigzagged between mainly anti- and pro-SNP angles pretty much since its inception. It appears to have started as short and fairly pro-SNP, then a lot of stuff was added and it turned quite anti-SNP, and then it seems to have swung back to a shorter, more pro-SNP format (see for instance this edit). ScepticWombat (talk) 18:05, 24 October 2015 (UTC)

The "too wee, too poor" argument is frequently used by unionists to this day, although maybe less than it used to be.

The complaint about a "troll army" is media-driven nonsense. The SNP are genuinely popular in Scotland (much more so than the Tories and Labour are at UK level proportionately), but the media in Scotland does not reflect this and is almost entirely unionist, which is one reason for conflict perhaps. But you're as likely to run into loyalist (ultra-unionist/Protestant supremacists) trolls as SNP ones online. -Albannach (talk) 09:40, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

Centrist nationalism?

@Tuxer https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_National_Party#External_links

Now stop the bad faith editing — Godless Raven ^talk_stalk^walk_balk 🌹 09:48, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

The SNP is a center-left party.–Tuxer (talk) 12:54, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

That's NOT centrism. The same way "national socialism" is not socialist! Centre-left is moderate left-wing (LEFT-WING) politics: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centre-left_politics You could replace it with "mid-left" if you want, but it isn't centrist (centrist parties in Europe would be, for example, Macron's EM). Please study this subject before you editwar again. — Godless Raven ^talk_stalk^walk_balk 🌹 12:59, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

I’ve always seen the SNP as centre-left/left-wing. Their entire platform in 2015 was that Scots should vote SNP as Ed Miliband was not being far left enough. --RWRW (talk) 13:36, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

You are correct. It's because centre-left is a misleading term in the English language. In German, the word for centre-left is "mitte-links" (mid-left), which is clearly indicating that they aren't centrist. The term centre-left in english means "left-wing, but in the centre of the left-wing". Otherwise you would get absurdities like, the centre-right party CDU (of Merkel) being "centrist" when they are conservative, in fact. — Godless Raven ^talk_stalk^walk_balk 🌹 13:39, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radical_centrism. The Renew Europe faction from the EU also has Centrists in their faction like D66, (The Netherlands), Centrepartiet (Sweden), Unión Progreso y Democracia (Spain), Partidul Libertății, Unității și Solidarității (Romania), Attīstībai/Par! (Latvia), Momentum Mozgalom (Hungary), Mouvement radical (France), La République En Marche ! (France), Suomen ruotsalainen kansanpuolue (Finland), Suomen Keskusta Centern i Finland (Finland), Движение за права и свободи (Bulgaria) & NEOS - Das Neue Österreich und Liberales Forum (Austria). The European People's Party group also has Centrists like Polskie Stronnictwo Ludowe (Poland), 50PLUS (The Netherlands), CDA (The Netherlands), Südtiroler Volkspartei (Germany), Les Centristes (France) & CSP (Belgium). Gunther1987 (talk) 15:56, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

Ik The SNP often claims to be social democratic, but the grassroots encompasses the entire political spectrum. It is definitely more authoritarian than libertarian in its mindset, as demonstrated by recent events. They favour a lot of state intervention and restrictions, but like most other governments during the Covid crisis, have actively discriminated against smaller businesses. -Albannach (talk) 09:57, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

Not just England

The aim of the SNP is supposed to be independence, saying it is purely about rescinding the Union with England ignores the fact that there are other parts of the UK - Northern Ireland, Wales - and other associated territories such as Bermuda. (Some of the opposition to independence in Scotland comes from working class people who think of it as an extension of Northern Ireland.)

In reality, the SNP leadership is not completely independence obsessed, and their leader Nicola Sturgeon uses dogwhistle phrases like "global citizen".-Albannach (talk) 09:32, 11 July 2021 (UTC)