Talk:Sovereign citizen
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Debunking article[edit]
I've watched plenty of videos from SovCit traffic stops, where they scream about 'travelling not driving', 'traffic law is not crime', quoting case laws and generally acting like they know some secret knowledge. I was wondering if people with actual understanding of the subject could compile an article that goes through all those little points, debunking them one by one (for instance, when SovCit talks about 'travelling' they refer to constitutional right of every citizen to travel between states, not anything to do with driving, or if they quote People V Battle, it's whether failure to check brakes counts as crime) and how to counter a point like that in conversation? Just like you did on those Conservapedia publications and books? I would really like to understand it, but I'm not smart enough to read legal documents. SirMaxKing (talk) 08:47, 21 May 2019 (UTC)
- Bump, but I can compile several arguments SovCits in traffic stop make
- I'm not driving, I'm traveling.
- I'm a free citizen, I don't have to obey U.S. law (e.g. I don't need a license to drive)
- According to People vs. Battle, traffic violations are not crimes
- Appeal to corpus delicti
- Mention Article 4
- Mention Black's Law dictionary
- Mention Affidavit of Truth
- Mention Terry v. Ohio
- I got most of it courtesy of Donut Operator. He made a Bingo in this video. It would make for a good subsection in the article. --It's-a me,
LeftyGreenMario! 21:01, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
Tower Hamlets case[edit]
Will mention this. (Bear 'the legalities' in mind when discussing). Anna Livia (talk) 16:34, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
Ledes longer than three paragraphs are not gucci[edit]
above Neiltyson1fan (talk) 13:38, 2 February 2021 (UTC)
The fake surgeon working in the nude[edit]
From the podcast of retired FBI agent Jerri Williams: https://jerriwilliams.com/episode-219-terry-kerns-and-bryanna-fox-naked-fake-doctor-sovereign-citizens/ 98.128.228.30 (talk) 23:00, 17 April 2023 (UTC)
Terminology[edit]
On one of the UK Parliament history websites, in the section listing members and candidates, there is a statement 'A name is a not a person, a person is not a name.' How does this usage (probably for legal purposes etc) differ from that used by Sovereign citizens? Anna Livia (talk) 12:26, 5 August 2023 (UTC)
Follow the money[edit]
Do the 'TV and elsewhere' legal persons advertising their services including for citizenship, US green cards etc, 'slightly-dodgy lawyers 'R' Us', and the 'no win no fee' service offer 'how to become a sovereign citizen' pathways?
If not, there is no case.
Ditto 'house and other insurance' providers which rely on most people not making claims equal to or greater than the moneys handed over.
'The national or local government' agreeing to remove controls over an area so that it can be redeveloped is another matter. Anna Livia (talk) 12:01, 20 August 2024 (UTC)