Talk:Steve Jobs
No category or incoming links, no real connection to missions. Delete. ₩€₳$€£ΘĪÐ
Methinks it is a Weasel 20:06, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
- This "article" is 100% on mission. the "i-pad/pod/crap" is as woo as it gets. This particular article the one we need. So, which is better, red links, or stubs. I"m a redlink gal, myself, cause it reminds me we should be writing it. But steve J and his world is 100% rational wiki. "why pay 1000 when some other product works just as well? Cause it's apple!"
Godotoi, putain, genial, merci 20:08, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
- New age cultist creep who made shitty inferior crap, and marketed it to his own personal cult. Keep. ТyNo 20:10, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
- Keep, cult of personality. TheCheatI run on alcohol 20:16, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
- Keep. Jobs spent the 12 months following his diagnosis with pancreatic cancer indulging himself with "natural" remedies. When things got grim he quickly changed his tack. Considering the cult of dickheadery surrounding him, his company and it's products there is a considerable wooish aura around the chap. --MtDPinko Scum 20:17, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
- There are no redlinks, since nothing links to this article. I don't think marketing overpriced & overhyped products meets any of our missions in itself. Neither does cult of personality - if it did, we'd have articles on every celebrity out there. If Jobs was significantly involved in promoting actual woo (i.e. pseudoscience, new age, etc.) there might be scope for an article, but it would need more than the vague unsubstantiated weasel worded bit tacked on here. ΨΣΔξΣΓΩΙÐ
Methinks it is a Weasel 20:20, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
- I'd say the suburbanization, sanitation, sterilization, admission pricing and censorship of the internet, as the many labor atrocities involved with Foxcomm, are worthy subjects for RationalWiki, though I'm not certain they should be talked about in an article related to Steve Jobs (perhaps Apple, Inc.). -- Seth Peck (talk) 20:25, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
- There are no redlinks, since nothing links to this article. I don't think marketing overpriced & overhyped products meets any of our missions in itself. Neither does cult of personality - if it did, we'd have articles on every celebrity out there. If Jobs was significantly involved in promoting actual woo (i.e. pseudoscience, new age, etc.) there might be scope for an article, but it would need more than the vague unsubstantiated weasel worded bit tacked on here. ΨΣΔξΣΓΩΙÐ
- Keep. Jobs spent the 12 months following his diagnosis with pancreatic cancer indulging himself with "natural" remedies. When things got grim he quickly changed his tack. Considering the cult of dickheadery surrounding him, his company and it's products there is a considerable wooish aura around the chap. --MtDPinko Scum 20:17, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
- Keep, cult of personality. TheCheatI run on alcohol 20:16, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
- New age cultist creep who made shitty inferior crap, and marketed it to his own personal cult. Keep. ТyNo 20:10, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
I say keep. We could go into something like Molleindustria's game Phone Story (would provide link, but am in school) regarding the production of iShit. We should expand on pseudomedicine killing Jobs, and, I've noticed, I don't think Apple came up with much new shit since Jobs died. Looking at the big wiki, pretty much everything that came out can be explained as "close to being finished up around the time Jobs died, so not much new needed to be added". I've had an iPad since 2010, and didn't notice any real change between iBooks 1 and 2. The upcoming OS looks pretty much identical to the current one. Yeah, it seems that Jobs was the main innovation powerhouse of Apple, and with him gone, it's only a matter of time. Kind of reminds me of this: Apple sans Jobs is like the Chocolate Factory sans Willy Wonka: nothing new, really. The Heidelberg Kid (talk) 17:13, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
- They didn't come up with anything while he was alive either. ТySerious Business Guy 17:23, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
- A lot of times, but the Apple II and iPad were pretty damn unique and revolutionary. The Heidelberg Kid (talk) 17:07, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
- No, they weren't. ТyYAUA 17:20, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
- Apple innovations mostly consisted of form factors, afaik. Nullahnung (talk) 05:52, 2 September 2013 (UTC)
- No, they weren't. ТyYAUA 17:20, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
- A lot of times, but the Apple II and iPad were pretty damn unique and revolutionary. The Heidelberg Kid (talk) 17:07, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
There was a reason I added it, and those reasons have been well covered by those who commented above. He was a famous individual who bought deeply into woo, and that arguably led to his demise. The article not being properly tagged or content thoroughly explored enough was due to my oversight and being busy with other things. The article was also listed on the to do list. Instead of marking it for deletion without looking up his background, please feel free to edit it up to standard. His company and business practices aside, he is an excellent example of somebody with a life long fascination with different flavors of woo and it would serve well to include him in this respect. A discussion of these elements are educational about the irrational and anti-science, and correct me if I'm wrong but that is what this wiki appears to be about. Thank you.
Loki (talk) 10:19, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
- According to the Wikipedia article he was a pescetarian Jobs gets out of the Happy Meal business. If Jobs isn't suitable, how about these people? Category:People.Civic Cat (talk) 11:42, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
- I'm sure that I've read in a number of places that his cancer was badly treated with alternative medicine. Someone who has read his biography told me it turns up there as well. If true, it would seem to be something we should state clearly.--BobSpring is sprung! 14:21, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
- According to the Wikipedia article he was a pescetarian Jobs gets out of the Happy Meal business. If Jobs isn't suitable, how about these people? Category:People.Civic Cat (talk) 11:42, 7 March 2012 (UTC)