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Take it to the Forum[edit]

Please stop the bloody digression and/or take it to the Forum. Please keep this talk page about the article it belongs to, not about general discussion of the subject of the article or any tangentially related topic.--ZooGuard (talk) 13:14, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

I don't know how to move it, I assume you would have moved it if you knew how to. I've asked Sophie Wilder. Proxima Centauri (talk) 14:23, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

Religious Right[edit]

Are there any elements of the American Religious Right that support equality of the sexes? I fear this edit is wrong. Proxima Centauri (talk) 17:58, 6 October 2012 (UTC)

You need to look into a remedial literacy program, maybe. That section is about Christian economics; it's the preceding bullet point that addresses feminism. JubalHarshaw (talk) 18:02, 6 October 2012 (UTC)

Feminist theology[edit]

I get that you all know everything there is to know about Christian theology and feminist, but even a short glance at wiki tells you that modern feminist writers in Christianity are writing about the FEMALE NATURE OF GOD. that is why it is THEOLOGY. they are not "trying to get around the male god", cause the fact is, mainstream academic theology itself, along with Psalms, Song of Solomon, and several mentions in the torah, assure us that though god is generally referred to as a "he", and we do talk of God the Father, God is not gendered, and includes aspect of God the mother, god the wife and lover. It is this study, rooted in linguist study of hebrew, rooted in the books I mentioned, and rooted in Jewish theological writings that ground the very topic itself. But what the fuck would I know. --Green mowse.pngGodotrien ne marcherait 04:30, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

I was thinking of Mary Daly, who back when she still pretended to profess Christianity attempted to do an end-run around the concept of "God the Father." What books did you mention, exactly, and where did you mention them? Mjollnir.svgListenerXTalkerX 04:34, 7 October 2012 (UTC)
This should do till we can work out something better. Proxima Centauri (talk) 18:24, 7 October 2012 (UTC)
Song of solomon, Psalms, and throughout the torah. Jewish tradition has long held that god is not male. --Green mowse.pngGodotrien ne marcherait 21:47, 7 October 2012 (UTC)
Don't quote me on this, but I believe that in the Islamic faith, Allah is never to be referred to with as anything other than "Allah," and, given that Allah is never referred to by a pronoun, it is impossible to make a statement about Allah's gender--if Allah could even be meaningfully said to "have" one, gender being a human concept. OnTheInternetNobodyKnowsYou'reAGod (talk) 21:59, 7 October 2012 (UTC)
I think that Arabic has masculine or feminine nous, and the pronoun used for all nouns is the one that corresponds to the gender of the noun. This is true in Hebrew as well. Since the noun Allah is a male noun, as is YHWH and El (though the most common name for god in the OT is Elohim which is plural non gendered) a male pronoun is used. this does not mean the god is male. it means the gender of teh word "god" is male. In hebrew thought, it is actually limiting god, if you say that god is a male, though again, you talk of god the father, or "he" more than god the mother, or the shekhina. --Green mowse.pngGodotrien ne marcherait 23:36, 7 October 2012 (UTC)
I developed it slightly further but if Nx is determined to edit war I'm not spending long on the article.Proxima Centauri (talk) 08:33, 8 October 2012 (UTC)
Facepalm.gif Play somewhere else Nx. Proxima Centauri (talk) 09:06, 8 October 2012 (UTC)
I don't think that gif means what you think it means. -- Nx / talk 09:09, 8 October 2012 (UTC)
Proxima, go away. Do not come back. ТyBother me 12:28, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

alternate theologies[edit]

feminist, liberationist, postmodern, queer What does this mean, exactly?--"Shut up, Brx." 18:13, 25 November 2012 (UTC)

Feminist theology, liberation theology, postmodern theology and queer theology are all actually things. I copied the list of names from Tom Morris ranting in response to me asking around about the phrase "sophisticated theology"; as a former philosophy Ph.D I'm presuming he's read and suffered them and the list makes sense - David Gerard (talk) 22:56, 25 November 2012 (UTC)
What do any of them, as actually existing schools of thought, have to do with an article on a term that that only has meaning outside of the discipline to which they belong? As actually existing things, would they not fit better in an article about actually existing theology?Theory of Practice Still tryin' to figure it all out. 02:00, 26 November 2012 (UTC)
It was suggested that the above could go into this article. Proxima Centauri (talk) 05:38, 26 November 2012 (UTC)
  1. Feminist theology, liberation theology, postmodern theology and queer theology
  2. Feminist theology, liberation theology, postmodern theology and queer theology Proxima Centauri (talk) 05:41, 26 November 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for your contributions. Google sure is nice. WėąṣėḷőįďWeaselly.jpgMethinks it is a Weasel 08:03, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

Theology inherently theistic?[edit]

The article creates the impression that theology is inherently theistic. An atheist theologian would end up seeming like a contradiction in terms. This is totally untrue, though. There are plenty of atheist theologians and one can very easily and meaningfully study and debate theology while being an atheist. This might seem counterintuitive, on the grounds that "you can't discuss any of the properties of God if you don't believe he exists" but not only can we do this, we regularly do. To make claims of a hypothetical God (such as "if God is good then how come so much suffering happens?") is to talk theologically without belief. Dawkins, while opposing theology, nevertheless makes a theological claim as part of his Boeing 747 gambit when he says God would have to be incredibly complex. And not just from a philosophical point of view. To properly understand the overlap between religion, society and politics you need to understand the theological arguments and shifts which drive them. From ISIS and abortion clinic bombings, to anti-apartheid movements and gay rights, so much of the modern world is swamped in theological questions. It makes perfect sense for atheists to want to understand it!Wikiditm (talk) 22:54, 15 December 2015 (UTC)