User talk:DonaldKronos

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Welcome to my Talk Page[edit]

I thought I would try to start this out somewhat organized. Doesn't mean it will stay that way, but hopefully the change log will help make sure I and anyone else who chooses to communicate in here will be able to keep track of what's been said when, or something like that. DonaldKronos (talk) 20:45, 25 December 2014 (UTC)


Enjoy. Is this the correct place? FuzzyCatPotato of the Clumsy Electric seat-warmers (talk/stalk) 21:38, 26 December 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. Yes, that should do. How does one ask for help in here. :)
DonaldKronos (talk) 07:09, 27 December 2014 (UTC)

Help Request[edit]

How does one ask for help in here?

Like this? Template:Help me How do I get someone to review the deletion of my work, and consider reverting it, so that I don't upset anyone? DonaldKronos (talk)

I have just had over 20 changes rolled back all at once, apparently because the evolution page was given some award, and it would seem nothing to do with my edits, other than that perfection shouldn't be improved upon.

At the top of the page, for one, it starts off with an entirely untrue statement. It says that "Evolution refers to the change in a species' inherited traits from generation to generation." Wiki pages evolve, and have no "species". Of course, they don't evolve when they are prohibited from doing so. DonaldKronos (talk) 07:24, 27 December 2014 (UTC)

Bring up the reverted edits on the article's talk page. FuzzyCatPotato of the Clumsy Electric seat-warmers (talk/stalk) 07:27, 27 December 2014 (UTC)
Did that. Thanks. It's not easy, after so much hard work, to resist just undoing the roll-back, but either the community will show that it values my work, or it will show that it does not. I have to accept it either way, and just not try to help anymore if my work is not appreciated. At least I have gotten feedback that my work was appreciated, before it was rolled back... but apparently the person who rolled it back didn't even read it... just rolled it back because the page had "GOLD" status. :( Anyway, thanks. DonaldKronos (talk) 08:07, 27 December 2014 (UTC)
Hi Donald. Welcome to the wiki. Hopefully whoever has issues with your edits will explain themselves shortly.--Bob"I think you'll find it's more complicated than that." 08:44, 27 December 2014 (UTC)
Thanks Bob. I did the best I could to adjust the latest revision before the rollback to make a new version that should be better for the Random featured article on the main page. I really do think that if it's going to be on the main page, representing RationalWiki, it should at least not start off with "Evolution refers to the change in a species' inherited traits from generation to generation." as that is not a true statement about evolution but rather a true statement about a limited scope of evolution that Charles Darwin called descent with modification and in fact not even all descent with modification. For example, it does not apply to the evolution of a wiki page, which does evolve through descent with modification, but lacks any kind of species concept. DonaldKronos (talk) 09:33, 27 December 2014 (UTC)
I understand what you are saying but you would be better off making this point on the article's talk page as otherwise discussions get complicated. Cheers.--Bob"I think you'll find it's more complicated than that." 10:10, 27 December 2014 (UTC)
Okay, I'll copy that paragraph over there. Thanks. DonaldKronos (talk) 10:18, 27 December 2014 (UTC)

The Beauty of Evolution[edit]

Human society is evolving all around us. Wiki pages evolve. Software evolves. Every industry evolves. Without evolution, there would be no progress. Try to remember this as we work together, because while it is easy to simply weed out a change or idea as unsatisfactory, if good can be found in it and salvaged, something valuable may be saved from extinction, and there's no way of knowing how much more value may eventually grow out of it.

Evolution is beautiful... to those who know what it looks like.

( Ever wonder why some people say with confidence that they see evolution as a fact of life which can be easily observed, while other people say with equal confidence that evolution has never been seen and does not happen? Could it be that you are seeing evolution right now? )

Baring visual impairment or this test is being displayed without its original colors, most of us should be able to easily agree that the color of this text is red, or at least something not unreasonable to call red.

Likewise, we should be able to similarly agree that this line of text is blue.

If we have red text and decide to change it by just a small amount, the change might be barely noticeable, but still a very small change. This, we will call our micro-evolution. Every word up to now can be considered red, with very minute changes in the hue. If I keep typing long enough, would anyone be able to tell me, just by looking, at which word or letter is this post no longer red, but actually purple or blue? All this micro-evolution keeps occurring in the text, with it’s tiny changes in hue, but ultimately, I end up with a completely different color. It’s actually the difference between what one would consider red and what one would consider purple (or a whole new species, in this analogy) which is macro-evolution. See, the common misunderstanding is, that macro-evolution means a dog being a direct offspring of some other different canine-like species, or even more stupidly, a cat coming from a dog. Well, that’s not what macro-evolution is. There is really only one distinction between micro-evolution and macro-evolution, and it’s the same distinction between their prefixes: micro and macro. Just like if something is microscopic or if something is macroscopic. Microscopic usually requires a microscope to see it because it’s so small, but the macroscopic are things large enough to be seen by the common human eye. However, things of both size are completely visible and plainly exist, and there are many things in this universe between both general sizes. So as you read this, can you tell me the first word here that is blue, and not purple? After all, every change in color since the first word in this paragraph has only micro-evolved from the color next to it, but we’ve managed to macro-evolve through 2 colors. This, hopefully, will illustrate how it’s illogical to believe that macro-evolution doesn’t happen, even given time for enough micro-evolution to occur.

So tell me — what was the first purple word in the block of text above? What’s the first blue word? Remember, if macro-evolution simply can not happen then you’re saying the words you are reading now are still red.

Daaaaayummmm FuzzyCatPotato of the Clumsy Electric seat-warmers (talk/stalk) 04:00, 9 January 2015 (UTC)
glad you like it. :) DonaldKronos (talk) 12:23, 9 January 2015 (UTC)


Please stop spamming your idiotic views on evolution all over. If you must comment, please keep it to one page (preferably in your own blog) Scream!! (talk) 20:50, 28 February 2015 (UTC)

Evolving a topic to fit a different page is hardly spamming and by no means all over. So you think my view that evolution isn't restricted to biology is idiotic, huh? Okay then, please explain how you see it as idiotic to think that changes can accumulate in things other than biology. I'll look forward to seeing how you manage to pull that off without changes accumulating in your reply as you type it. Please do include the details. DonaldKronos (talk) 04:13, 1 March 2015 (UTC)
For the sake of anyone who may read this and wonder, here's a link. Template_talk:Cover_abstract/Evolution
It seems more important for consideration there than on the main evolution page, so I modified something I had written for the Talk:Evolution page and posted it where I thought it could potentially do more good. That's how evolution works. Modification, selection, adaptation.
DonaldKronos (talk) 04:25, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

Change Log -- Please Look Here First[edit]

Log Entry: Created Talk Page --->

I plan to keep this section at the end of the page, by moving new sectins added below it to just above it. If that's not happening for a while, please feel free to do it for me and add a signed log entry mentioning the change, or to contact me via GooglePlus or Twitter or however you can manage to reach me at the time.

Thanks for helping me to keep this page organized and useful for communication!         DonaldKronos (talk) 20:45, 25 December 2014 (UTC)


Log Entry: This section is intended to be a change log. If you add a section below it, I will probably just move it up myself, but you might save me the trouble. If you want to increase my chances of spotting something you added to another section, please note the change in a log entry at the end of this section and sign it, so I'll know where to look. Thanks. DonaldKronos (talk) 20:45, 25 December 2014 (UTC)

Log Entry: Added Welcome to my Talk Page section, and brief introduction. DonaldKronos (talk) 20:45, 25 December 2014 (UTC)

Log Entry: Noting addition of Autopatrolled section. DonaldKronos (talk) 07:02, 27 December 2014 (UTC)

Log Entry: Added reply to FuzzyCatPotato of the Clumsy Electric seat-warmers (talk/stalk) in the Autopatrolled section.

Log Entry: Added reply to FuzzyCatPotato in the Help Request section

Log Entry: Added reply to Bob in Help Request section

Log Entry: Added section The Beauty of Evolution DonaldKronos (talk) 03:10, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

Log Entry: Added info to Change Log explanation. DonaldKronos (talk) 03:29, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

You do know that there's a 'change log' automatically built by the MediaWiki software accessible from the 'Fossil record' tab at the top of the page? Scream!! (talk) 10:01, 26 February 2015 (UTC)
Yes, I do know that. The idea behind the change log, was to allow more detail, and hopefully give people a place at the end to leave a notification when they add something not at the end. Doesn't much matter anyway at this point, as I am finding almost as much aversion to honesty on RationalWiki as on Wikipedia. Probably the same editors, for the most part, but the tendency to stagnate is even worse here. Wikis were designed to evolve, and are useless when not allowed to do so. Worse yet when the wiki page explaining evolution denies right up front that something non-biological such as a wiki can evolve at all. DonaldKronos (talk) 05:20, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

Log Entry: Replied in new "Spamming" section. Moved Change Log back to the end. DonaldKronos (talk) 04:29, 1 March 2015 (UTC)