User talk:Ze/Anarcho-fascism

No Mention of Bakunin?

Hey, I know this a redditor SJW echochamber and you'll definitely seethe immediately about this but I found it weird that noted father of National-Fascist ideology, the anti-Marx anarchist Bakunin, wasn't mentioned at all here. Despite being an anarchist he DID influence a great deal of early fascist ideology and is the credited inventor of the concept of Anarcho-Fascism before it was called ever fascism. Do you think he was on your side because he looked like a old typical bearded slav retard, or do you just avoid all mention of him entirely due to him pointing out your fat lazy faggot commie santa was an inbred hick Rothschild cousin?

Also to the person who thought he was a million IQ genius pointing out the ideology being contradictory in name, remember that people who fully conceptualized such an ideology and believe in it also run your entire government and own all the guns pointed at you.^{— Unsigned, by: 71.80.206.3 / talk / contribs}

Some of Bakunin could be considered a prototype for the movement (in that he embraced some nationalism though, especially early, and he had antisemitic viewpoints) but his ideas were closer to Marx than what I've seen typically for anarcho-fascism; he is better placed where he is now, in the anarchism article under anarcho-collectivism. My "bird's eye" impression of anarcho-fascism (and the closely related national anarchism) is that it is a very minor movement, with more internal divisions than the People's Front of Judea, so it's hard to get a solid idea of what exactly it is. However, if I had to generalize, proponents seems obsessed with ethnic-oriented tribalism and fatalism over capitalism and modernity. It's like anarcho-primitivism with segmentation by ethnicity as the proposed "solution", in other words. Soundwave106 (talk) 02:06, 27 June 2020 (UTC)

I don't understand what the fuck this article is about

srsly--Hastur! (talk) 01:40, 27 June 2020 (UTC)

Do the citations clear anything up? --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario! 01:43, 27 June 2020 (UTC)

If I'm interpreting this link correctly, anarcho-fascism is a transitional stage into fascism? Maybe?--Hastur! (talk) 01:45, 27 June 2020 (UTC)

Judging from the article, there isn't much serious material on it to discern (the article itself says that Anarcho-Fascism: Nature Reborn is the only serious work on it), especially from an ideology that's an oxymoron, which should, ideally, explain more about this oxymoron. Unless there's something important to glean from that book, I don't see this page as being useful for clearing the confusion of the term or even if the term itself is wide-spread. I can't view the link, quora won't let me uncollapse. --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario! 01:48, 27 June 2020 (UTC)

@Hastur @LeftyGreenMario As I understand it, anarcho-fascism is basically a way of Fascism taking power, but through feudalism rather than an election or coup. Hoppe is an advocate of it if I recall correctly. ☭Comrade GC☭^{Ministry of Praise} 01:51, 27 June 2020 (UTC)

What does that have to do with anarchism, though? --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario! 01:52, 27 June 2020 (UTC)

Anarcho-fascism, like anarcho-capitalism and anarcho-monarchism, are psuedo-anarchist schools of thought which are exclusively found on the right wing. That can be differentiated from proper-anarchism by their their adherence to hierarchical systems, albeit scaled down and decentralized ("in theory") variants. This is in contrast to Anarchist "Praxis" which calls for the abolishment of all unjust hierarchies, in contrast to pseudo-anarchism, which I usually just call neo-feudalism, which only seeks to restructure said hierarchies. Am I making sense? It's difficult for me to convey, due to some of my limitations in understanding elements of Anarchist thought and conveying it to others. ☭Comrade GC☭^{Ministry of Praise} 02:00, 27 June 2020 (UTC)

So what kind of restructuring is making adherents believe this is a form of anarchism? --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario! 02:01, 27 June 2020 (UTC)

I always thought the difference between self identified right wing anarchists and left wing ones was while that both want to abolish what they feel unjust hierarchies, left anarchists claim all hierarchies are unjust and right wing ones claim the state is suppressing a natural hierarchy that is perfectly okay.-Flandres (talk) 02:03, 27 June 2020 (UTC)

@LeftyGreenMario No major anarchist thinker that I know of has embraced Neo-Feudalist thought. @Flandres Yes, that is why they're generally shunned in Anarchist discourse. They don't actually want Anarchism, instead they want Neo-Feudalism. ☭Comrade GC☭^{Ministry of Praise} 02:09, 27 June 2020 (UTC)