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User talk:Flandres

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Because of your edits to and time on the wiki, Autopatrolled has been added to your user rights. This lets you bypass most of the abuse filters, bypass the CAPTCHA, and edit more frequently. If you have questions, bleat ask away.

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Also, thanks a bunch for catching what was probably my mistake on WWI. 🎄Chef Moosolini’s Ristorante Italiano🎄Ask about our holiday specials! 23:00, 28 December 2019 (UTC)


You on Discord? Oxyaena Harass 19:10, 4 January 2020 (UTC)

Afraid not. Why?-Flandres (talk) 19:12, 4 January 2020 (UTC)
Just curious. Oxyaena Harass 01:31, 5 January 2020 (UTC)


The IWW, antifa, and the SRA say hello. Oxyaena Harass 13:09, 29 April 2020 (UTC)

And how close are any of those organizations from achieving their stated goals?Flandres (talk) 13:22, 29 April 2020 (UTC)
They've made quite some progress. You can't achieve anything by sitting on your ass and moaning all day. Oxyaena Harass 13:35, 29 April 2020 (UTC)
Um..like what? corporations are still fundamentally predatory. Fascists still speak without fear of reprisal(But clearly milkshaking is a amazing revolutionary act). The grand edifice of capitalism still exists and will continue to exist(Joe Biden says hello).Flandres (talk) 13:40, 29 April 2020 (UTC)
If you want to enact change, you have to build it from the bottom up. You're too blackpilled. Oxyaena Harass 13:44, 29 April 2020 (UTC)
Considering the leftist political project of equality has had oh, around 200 years to make change from the bottom up and ideologies like social democracy kick your ass on the front of doing things for working class people("socialism like in northern Europe", for fucks sake socialism is like social democracy's deadbeat cousin), if i'm too black pilled maybe its because people like you constantly let me down by promising a utopia and falling whenever it counts. You know, I left behind depression and socialism at about the same time(well, other things were involved but no longer holding the world to an unachievable dream might have helped).Flandres (talk) 13:50, 29 April 2020 (UTC)
It's a fact history has a tendency to move left, you don't think the French Revolution, Haitian Revolution, American Revolution, Mexican Revolution, and Russian Revolution didn't ultimately have any long term effects? Of course it's a struggle, it's always been, don't give up now. Oxyaena Harass 14:20, 29 April 2020 (UTC)
No, history moves randomly and you rationalize as left after the fact because you are desperate to believe a utopia is around the corner. Was the spread of Hellenic civilization in the the former achaemenid empire "leftward"? Was the the destruction of Mycenaean Greece "leftward? This is just something you make uop after the fact, you are no better than some preacher who always believes this is a sign the prophesies within the Book of Revelation will come true because of some thing he over heard on the news.Flandres (talk) 14:27, 29 April 2020 (UTC)
False equivalency noted, and do you deny what the trend of history has been since the Reformation and Enlightenment? It used to be okay to own people as property, now it's not. It used to be okay to rape your spouse, now it's not. Oxyaena Harass 14:32, 29 April 2020 (UTC)
Its not a false equivalency, first, its the same psychological triumphalist reflex. Second, the reformation was not a trend leftward and you are an idiot if you think that. Third, the enlightenment was just a social movement-if monarchy did not last forever, why should its successor? You are dealing in artificial constructs, not facts.Flandres (talk) 14:37, 29 April 2020 (UTC)
The Reformation was a response to the decadence and corruption of the late Medieval and Renaissance era Church, rebelling against authority and trying to reassert more egalitarian versions of Christianity seems like a leftist move to me. What was the successor to feudalism? Capitalism. By your very same argument why should capitalism last forever? I am aware that the Enlightenment was just a social movement, but social movements have effects that trickle down through history. Oxyaena Harass 14:42, 29 April 2020 (UTC)
The reformation also involved greedy noblemen in north Germany entrenching local privileges to defy the holy roman emperor and saw the implementation of horrifically theocratic laws and protestants lynching Jews. Is that anti-hierarchical? Also, if capitalism will not last forever why must socialism inevitably replace it? social democracy is doing better than you in every way.Flandres (talk) 14:45, 29 April 2020 (UTC)
We're all human. The Reformation also involved the DiggersWikipedia, an early religious communist sect, and one priest, John Ball, was a proto-socialist who helped lead the Great Peasant's Revolt. Of course it isn't inevitable that socialism will replace capitalism, but I believe that it's worth fighting for anyways, so that when capitalism inevitably dies what comes after won't be horrible shit. We're at a crossroads in history, why have you given up the fight? Oxyaena Harass 14:50, 29 April 2020 (UTC)
For every digger on john ball there were a lot more Henry the VIIIs and Gustavus Adolphuses. Also, socialism tends to fail. I have little as is, and I will not invest that in a sinking ship(Bernie 2020 demonstrated that excellently). I have my own plans for the future, or this "crossroads," as you call it.Flandres (talk) 14:59, 29 April 2020 (UTC)


Do you know what "nemesis" means? A righteous infliction of retribution manifested by an appropriate agent. Personified in this case by an 'orrible cunt... me.
—Brick Top, Snatch

Felt appropriate given your reasoning for your vote in the coop :p. Sirius (dog star) 08:59, 27 June 2020 (UTC)


You've been nominated to the RationalMedia Foundation election. Please accept or decline; if you accept, you may wish to campaign. Gunther1987 (talk) 11:16, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

I honestly[edit]

appreciate your fair-handed approach towards things. Thank you. Oxyaena Harass 17:42, 5 August 2020 (UTC)