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Thank you...

... for sorting libertarians and bananas! --larron (talk) 21:05, 7 March 2014 (UTC)

I wish I could put that accomplishment on my CV. :) --ZooGuard (talk) 09:17, 8 March 2014 (UTC)

Of Miracles

I noticed you deleted my article "of miracles". I want to assure you that the content is all my own work. I think it would be a good contribution to RationalWiki. If there is a specific problem you can describe, I should be able to revise the article. Is there any way for me to add templates? I depend on some missing ones. --TimSC (talk) 19:08, 29 March 2014 (UTC)

What have you got against having awesome signatures?

"Ur just jalose coz u hav no lyf!!!!!1" MESSIAH OF DOOM Why weepest thou? Dolan.png 20:25, 6 April 2014 (UTC)


Hey, thanks for reverting my careless edit on Gerald Celente. If it's not too much hassle, could you give me a bit of a guide on editing wikis? Thanks! --Lixxx235 (talk) 21:16, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

Minor Edits

Noted. Glad we've got that cleared up. While I'm at it, is there a convention on which talk page to post responses to? Frostbyte (talk) 18:49, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

The one on which the conversation's started. It's assumed that the starter will have enough lasting interest to check for a reply.--ZooGuard (talk) 18:51, 9 April 2014 (UTC)


Every now and then, a RW editor writes something that makes me sit up and take notice. In your case, it is "please keep using Facebook for your social needs instead of RW." Thanks for that, as well as for your sane intervention in the keyboard geekdom business. Sprocket J Cogswell (talk) 13:21, 10 April 2014 (UTC)

I try to mostly use RationalWiki for rational stuff (key word there being try). However, the thing is, there are so many like-minded people here with whom I have no other way of talking- though I do try to change that, for example Skyping Wehpudicabok, and emailing Grant. But I guess I'll try to work on that. Also, as a side note, I kind of liked the idea of what you were saying- that, essentially, because you just see text, and not a person, you find it harder to empathise. Anyway. MĖSSIÅH ØF DØØM Reaching out to embrace the randomDolan.png 13:28, 10 April 2014 (UTC)
Rest assured I wasn't pointing that at you, Messiah. It is something we all could take to heart. Another reason I popped up here on ZooGuard's talk page is that I recently noticed his scrapbook, with a worthy quote from Weaseloid recently added, about the rarity of editors both interested in a topic and capable of writing clearly and concisely about it. Good to see someone else found it memorable. Sprocket J Cogswell (talk) 13:38, 10 April 2014 (UTC)
Yeah, I get what you're saying. I've just been getting all defensive and angry and shit for the past few days, because this dickhead at uni accused me of cheating off a test, and almost got me kicked out, which is also where the whole talkpage rage came from. But yeah, I'm trying to aim to make at least 300 contributions this month, and I'd prefer of the majority of those were actually useful. MĖSSIÅH ØF DØØM Reaching out to embrace the randomDolan.png 13:45, 10 April 2014 (UTC)

I think that this article needs severe de-Proximation

That bit was actually me. I am going to slit my wrists in a nice warm bath now. TeenageWasteland (talk) 17:50, 13 April 2014 (UTC)

It was a general comment about the state of the article, not the particular passage that I changed. I had noticed her editing the page earlier - I think it's the same one where I had to delete a cite to Hugo Schwyzer. Sorry for the splash damage. :(--ZooGuard (talk) 17:52, 13 April 2014 (UTC)

I need little help

Hey, I speak polish quite good and I wanted to create/translate few polish pages, but I'm not able to create polish template here: It says I've no premissions. How to fix this? Royal Disaster (talk) 15:37, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

Newly registered users lack some rights to prevent spam and vandalism. It's likely that this stopped you from creating the template. I've moved you to the "autopatrolled" group (see the page on user group rights). You can try again.
Also: On talk pages, please sign your comments using four tildes (~~~~) or by clicking on the sign button: SigButt.png on the toolbar above the edit panel. (You can indent successive talk page comments using one more colon (:) for each line.) Thank you. --ZooGuard (talk) 18:33, 13 April 2014 (UTC)

Well, I still can not create the template. Could You create it? I just start translating and I'll put my texts here.Royal Disaster (talk) 15:44, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

Hey, thanks for giving me the newbie thing:)

I've been looking for the links for that information. LightDarkPheonix (talk) 18:34, 2 May 2014 (UTC)

It's the standard procedure for welcoming newbies that seem harmless. :) --ZooGuard (talk) 14:48, 3 May 2014 (UTC)

linking help

Thanks for the linking tips! Now I have something else to do (fix my smallish number of errors elsewhere). Fortunately, this language error is less embarrassing than the time as a young teenager I tried to use the German word for "night" and ended up saying the German word for "naked". Adult errors are much easier as an adult!MarmotHead (talk) 21:18, 5 May 2014 (UTC)


I completely forgot about that unsig. Thanks for catching that. - Grant (talk) 21:18, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

"any particular reason for these to warrant an article?"

That RationalZombie guy has written a bunch of stubs on Christian schhols and accreditating bodies. They are all destined to remain stubs, but are germane to the mission. Should we maybe redirect them all to a single merged article on Christian colleges and universities? TeenageWasteland (talk) 16:21, 10 May 2014 (UTC)

Unless there is something to be written about them in addition to "they exist" and "they are Christian", I don't see the point, no matter if it's in separate articles or limited to one. I suggest talking to the user.--ZooGuard (talk) 16:53, 10 May 2014 (UTC)

Lots of people trolling the Macedonia article

This is a response to your revert of my Macedonia posting. Granted it was in a trolliing tone (as I have a stake in the matter as a Greek) but what I said was true and the Macedonia article state in its current form is frankly a one sided racist rant against Greeks. The claim is this wiki is "rational" but if it edits out critical information (see below) and tries to pin the Macedonia issue solely on Greeks it really comes of as severe prejudice. If one wants to take a post modernist deconstructive view of ethnic and national identities for any impurities as the article tries to do to arbitrarily with Greeks (trying to put the two ethnic claims at par -- when the former Yugoslavians clearly identity with Slavic not Greek language and culture) --- the same rules can be applied Americans, British, Germans, Jews, Chinese, Iranians,etc.. etc.. to narrate their identities into "imagined communities" and "pseudohistory". Whatever way is chosen my suggestion is apply rules consistently across all national articles. Don't single out anyone. Reason requires principled application of ideas not just the nationalists with the greatest numbers to push their POV. Currently popularity should not be confused with reason.

"We are Slavs. There's no connection between us and Alexander the Great. " - Kiro Gligorov, President of FYROM

"We are not related to the northern Greeks who produced leaders like Philip and Alexander the Great. We are a Slav people and our language is closely related to Bulgarian.' - FYROM´s Ambassador to Canada Gyordan Veselinov, Ottawa Citizen Newspaper, February 24 1999

'We do not claim to be descendants of Alexander the Great.' - FYROM'S Ambassador Ljubica Acevshka, speech to US representatives, Washington DC, January 22 1999

"The creation of the Macedonian nation, for almost half of a century, was done in a condition of single-party dictatorship. In those times, there was no difference between science and ideology, so the “Macedonian” historiography, unopposed by anybody, comfortably performed a selection of the historic material from which the “Macedonian” identity was created. There is nothing atypical here for the process of the creation of any modern nation, except when falsification from the type of substitution of the word “Bulgarian” with the word “Macedonian” were made." (Denko Maleski, former Minister of foreign affairs of FYROM from 1991 to 1993

"This (US) government considers talk of Macedonian "nation", Macedonian "Fatherland", or Macedonia "national consciousness" to be unjustified demagoguery representing no ethnic nor political reality, and sees in its present revival a possible cloak for aggressive intentions against Greece" - US State Department Dec, 1944 (Foreign Relations Vol. VIII Washington D.C. Circular Airgram - 868.014/26)

"FOUR THOUSAND YEARS OF GREEK HISTORY have produced four Greek heritages, each of which has had an effect on the life of the Greeks in later stages of their history. The Hellenic Greeks received a heritage from the Mycenean Greeks, the Macedonian Greeks from the Hellenic, the Byzantine Greeks received on from the Macedonian Greeks, the Modern Greeks have received one heritage from the Byzantines and a second from the Hellenes." (The Greeks and their Heritage) AJ Toynbe

Greeks have lived in Anatolia for millennia, especially along the Aegean coast. For a while, under Alexander, they dominated the land. And for all intents and purposes, the Byzantine Empire was Greek.[.] The first Ottoman census, of 1477, counted half of Constantinople’s population as Greek, and four-hundred years later, even after the Greek War of Independence, it was still 21 percent Greek. - David Lowenthal, "The heritage crusade and the spoils of history. (1998)

"The Greek people on the portion of the Macedonia part in Greece have been there since time immemorial -- over more than forty centuries before the Slavs arrived. The language spoken in the Greek region since antiquity is Greek, whereas the language of the former-Yugoslavia portion is a Slavic dialect of Bulgarian" - Joseph C. Harsch, American journalist, "The Christian Science Monitor", January 29, 1992

"It should be noted that there is NO CONNECTION between the Macedonians of the time of Alexander the Great who were a GREEK tribe and today's so-called 'macedonians' of the 'Former Yugoslav Republic of macedonia' or FYROM, who are of SLAVIC origin and related to BULGARIANS." - David H Levinson, 'The Encyclopaedia of Ancient Cultures'

etc.. etc..— Unsigned, by: / talk / contribs 23:50, 10 May 2014 (UTC)

You should have stopped at "Granted it was in a trolliing tone...". Everything after that presumes too much about my motivations for removing those edits and RationalWiki in general.
Country articles, especially about those about contentious countries, are often a mess at RW, because the regulars mostly ignore them, so an article's contents are often colored by the last drive-by contributor, and the direction of an article can change radically. As I wrote in my edit summary, the Macedonia article is a mess, but I don't have time to deal with it right now.--ZooGuard (talk) 16:25, 11 May 2014 (UTC)

Eucharist article

I just realized whose revisions I rolled back, my bad. It was productive stuff for the article, I just wanted my small contribution to remain. I do wonder why this particle article displays more respect towards this religious rite than it arguably deserves.ROPChain (talk) 10:25, 16 May 2014 (UTC)


Your tidying is appreciated! Femilisk is watching 09:28, 22 May 2014 (UTC)

It's nice to know it. ;) --ZooGuard (talk) 11:51, 22 May 2014 (UTC)

You're still here

You really are a tireless and unappreciated person. Have a mysterious thank you. Aldon (talk) 19:21, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

Velkopopovický Kozel.jpg For demonstrating exemplary goatery in the line of duty, Aldon
has awarded you some beer. Look it has a goat on the label!
Well, everyone needs a hobby. Mine apparently is getting depressed by refreshing the Recent changes. :|
Thank you for the encouragement and the beerstar. At least it's not a cookie this time...--ZooGuard (talk) 19:28, 26 May 2014 (UTC)
I recall you thowing the last cookie to the crows. Aldon (talk) 19:30, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

Not even Wikipedia


I beg to differ. RW's deletion policy is "Vote however. Count votes. Do whatever votes say." Wikipedia's deletion policy is "Whatever the admins feel like doing." Sure, in theory, Wikipedia relies on consensus, but in practice each deletion/preservation produces a cavalcade of butthurt complaints that the admin came down on the wrong side. The virtue of our approach is that everybody knows exactly where we stand; the ambiguity of "consensus" (and the creative abuse of its meaning) is minimized. Star of David.png Radioactive afikomen Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments. 17:54, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

Who made you the judge of what people want to talk about on SB?

Don't like it? Don't reply to it.--Someon (talk) 19:34, 30 May 2014 (UTC)

The Senate and the Roman People?
Humor aside, it's not "people", it's a first post by a new user that opens up on the Saloon Bar with a controversial topic that's currently under discussion on several other pages. It reeks heavily of troll. Revert Restore only if you want to reply to it.--ZooGuard (talk) 19:45, 30 May 2014 (UTC)

Snowball clause?

I'll bite. What's a snowball clause? I agree with your deletion, but I'm imagining Santa after a cartoonish roll down the hill. MarmotHead (talk) 00:12, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

A reference to "a snowball's chance in hell", in this case of surviving a deletion discussion. It's one of the standard reasons for deletion in the drop-down list. It's a Wikipedianism: wp:Wikipedia:Snowball clause.--ZooGuard (talk) 08:28, 6 June 2014 (UTC)
That makes perfect sense. To even call it a snowball was generous. MarmotHead (talk) 14:16, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

Should Nolidor be blocked?

Is there a list of recommendations for particular rules violations, I'm guessing hate speech is one of them? I'll look into the contributions. Sysops can just unblock themselves, can't we? Are there no bureaucrats? Amateur Encyclopedist (talk) 18:27, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

Are you sure you are talking about the right person? And no, there are no rules against "hate speech" per se.--ZooGuard (talk) 20:55, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
He/she meant Nolidor. IMO, ignore > confront, no block needed. Nullahnung (talk) 21:02, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
Ok, nvm, it couldn't have been Nolidor (/Solidor?), since he isn't a sysop. I don't even know who AE means and am quite confused. Nullahnung (talk) 21:09, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
My guess is that he was referencing your comment starting with "logick," not realizing that perhaps you weren't serious. - Grant (talk) 21:21, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
The one time in a blue moon where I don't communicate my point in the most direct and honest fashion, I immediately get misunderstood. Just my luck. Nullahnung (talk) 21:28, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
My apologies for the string of misunderstandings. I was reading a list of sysops and accidentally confused Nolidor with Solarius. Than I accidentally confused Nullanhung with Nolidor. My sincere apologies Nullahnhung, I got you were joking. I normally don't mess up twice consecutively. I guess Nolidor isn't technically violating any rules, you can use as many bad references as you want on the talk pages. I also don't really feel like reading through all those links they posted. Sorry for wasting every ones time with that. Amateur Encyclopedist (talk) 23:06, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

Did you see the link concerning Hate groups on Reddit?

Just curious if you have the same web browsing habits as myself --Drowninginlimbo (talk) 14:06, 26 June 2014 (UTC)

Yes to the question in the title, no to the implicit question in your post itself. I periodically check for sites/pages linking to RationalWiki. Otherwise, I keep away from Reddit.-ZooGuard (talk) 14:10, 26 June 2014 (UTC)
Probably a good idea, I only frequent a few subreddits. I thought I'd ask anyway because of the timing --Drowninginlimbo (talk) 14:28, 26 June 2014 (UTC)

Do you have any advice on getting the Scientology and Fundamentalist Mormonism articles up to silver class?

I think these 2 articles are definitely part of Rationalwiki's mission statement. Each has over 40 references, with a lot of important information strangely absent on Wikipedia.

Rational wiki's Scientology article mentions the 100 million gross figure for Scientology, the orientation film and the vitamin deficient Hubbard baby formula.

Fundamentalist Mormonism is unrated. Rationalwiki's article mentions information on the lost boys high rates of prostitution and low rates of high school diplomas, higher rates of rare birth defects, violating child labor laws, mothers not being allowed to take their children away, the high rates of welfare, teaching children the church leader is the U.S. president, and the practice of giving away the families of the excommunicated. I would like to see both of these be silver articles, however the Fundamentalist Mormonism article deserves at least a bronze for now to be on par with Scientology. Amateur Encyclopedist (talk) 22:08, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

The place for this discussion is those articles' respective talk pages.--ZooGuard (talk) 14:49, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

"South European blue"

Out of curiosity, whereabouts in Southern Europe do you habit yourself? MESSIAH OF DOOM Dark seas of endless pain…Dolan.png 08:31, 6 July 2014 (UTC)

The Eastern part, north of Greece.--ZooGuard (talk) 08:33, 6 July 2014 (UTC)

Proving article citation permission

Hello, You deleted my page, Flying Carpet Fallacy. I have permission from the author via email, should I forward it to an editor or make a note of it in the article before I restore it? SulaymanF (talk) 15:38, 6 July 2014 (UTC)

Here's a question for you -- how does our project benefit from reproducing a blog post that is already available elsewhere on the internet? Father Vivian O'Blivion talkModerator 15:40, 6 July 2014 (UTC)
I suggest to both of you to take this conversation to Talk:Flying Carpet Fallacy.--ZooGuard (talk) 19:32, 6 July 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for editing Quranic scientific foreknowledge

Sorry if the commentary isn't up to standards, I wanted to get the article started but haven't had much time.

Regardless, the Big Bang section now reeds a lot more on-point. Thanks! Mʀ. Wʜɪsᴋᴇʀs, Esϙᴜɪʀᴇ (talk/stalk) 19:34, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

One question, though. Why remove Quran and Islam from See Also? Mʀ. Wʜɪsᴋᴇʀs, Esϙᴜɪʀᴇ (talk/stalk) 20:05, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

Userpage redlink

Re. the following log entry;

Sate the Suicide Choir."

(Deletion log); 07:06 . . ZooGuard (Talk | contribs) deleted page User:Blasphemist ‎(you know what I think about it, FVOB: if they don't care to create a user page, the link should remain red)

Just so you know, someone else accidentally (I assume) created my userpage, I didn't create it. In any case, you're right, no point having a blue link and a blank page :) Blasphemist (Speak) 07:11, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

I know someone else created it - I saw it in the Recent changes list. It was User:Father Vivian O'Blivion ("FVOB"). They have the habit of "de-reding" user page links by creating a page with an empty comment tag. My edit summary was addressed to them.--ZooGuard (talk) 07:24, 22 July 2014 (UTC)
I see, I was wondering what FVOB was. Blue is a nicer colour, I think… I'll put up a proper userpage sometime soon in any case. Blasphemist (Speak) 07:32, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

I have a question

Is rational Wiki biased?

This (really old) conversation raised me that question. — Unsigned, by: TemplarJLS / talk / contribs

See Nullahnung (talk) 09:55, 5 September 2014 (UTC)
Didn't you ask a similar question some time ago? Forum:There seems to be a LOT of people who hate us.? Anway, if you are interested, I can give a long-ish answer, but not right now. I am also curious why you asked me, of all people.--ZooGuard (talk) 17:21, 6 September 2014 (UTC)

Stronzo Bestiale?

You were almost 2 seconds ahead of me ... damn you're fast! That, or just having a mid-day goof off session at the same time. MarmotHead (talk) 19:38, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

More like a "I really should be going to bed now" session. It's UTC+3 here.--ZooGuard (talk) 09:15, 10 October 2014 (UTC)


What exactly is supposed to be wrong with those contributions? The risk of pandemic viral infection is reduced by modern medical isolation and increased where quackery and superstition overrides it, you can't treat viruses with antibiotics, and the media loves to spread alarm about the latest scary flu strain that's going to kill us all. King Skeleton (talk) 07:52, 18 October 2014 (UTC)

Please cite Theodore Sturgeon when plagiarizing him, and apologize to twelve year old's for using their age group as an insult for those who cite video games.

Why are you quoting plagiarizing a sci-fi author if you hate fiction? Why do you hate new media, and why do you think it's acceptable to call someone a twelve year old like it's a bad thing; like you did on Meme when I referenced Metal Gear Solid II? Are you an ageist, sir and or madame? Exiled Encyclopedist (talk) 21:27, 24 October 2014 (UTC)