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[edit] How will Wikipedia navigate the Trump era?

I stumbled upon this article about wikipedia's current challenges. Brave yourself, there is a picture of Andrew Schlafly in it: who could better exemplify the post-truth society!

A decade ago, conservative activist Andrew Schlafly, son of famed anti-Equal Rights Amendment campaigner Phyllis Schlafly, launched Conservapedia, a site very much intended to “fix it.” Conservapedia was modeled on Wikipedia, but its mission was to present an alternative to what Schlafly perceived to be the original site’s liberal bias. According to Schlafly, traffic to the site grew 50 percent over the course of 2016. He told Inverse that Conservapedia hosted 20 million visits in November (though the source cited for those figures was, inevitably, Conservapedia).

--larron (talk) 14:57, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

Trump and his staff recognized that they do not pay a penalty with their base if they make up facts. Wikipedia insiders quickly learned that they only have to win a "wikilawyer" edit war to put their version of the truth into Wikipedia without regard for the "truth." There are three types of people editing CP now: (1) true believers who strive to synthesize and report facts from "fake news" and right wing websites; (2) parodists and editors currying favor with Andy who try to bend the truth as far as possible without having Andy step in; and (3) a very few editors who believe in the stated CP mission and try to maintain credibility.
This leads to strange results such as 1) the Trump Administration has many successes but no failures, 2) E = mc2 is false, 3) the "official name" of the Democratic Party is "Democrat Party", 3) Obama is a Muslim and 4) relativity is a liberal hoax.Hclodge (talk) 09:17, 9 February 2017 (UTC)
Speaking of strange results; worth mentioning is that they're also working to separate out the "fake news" of ages past — undistorting world's biggest pinko liberal rag back into its original, clear and intended message. No, really. Reverend Black Percy (talk) 14:51, 9 February 2017 (UTC)
You are right Reverend, and I never had read that before. There is a unifying theme to all of this. God wrote a law or instruction manual for all of mankind in the Bible. The Bible was translated over generations into verses by theological scholars, and one cannot arbitrarily delete verses without leaving important gaps to mankind's detriment. Similarly, Congress wrote a book of laws (the United States Code) in broad general terms (e.g., keep pollution out of the water) and left it to generations of technocrats to write detailed rules (e.g., don't dump certain chemicals into streams) explaining each section (the Code of Federal Regulations). Now, President Trump has issued an Executive Order which requires government departments to delete two existing regulations for every one that is added. Each deleted regulation leaves a gap without repealing the underlying law or addressing what caused Congress to pass that law. So, Andy ordering the mindless deletion of verses in the CBP foreshadowed Trump ordering the mindless deletion of regulations. cp:Biblical scientific foreknowledge Hclodge (talk) 12:12, 10 February 2017 (UTC)
Sweet Christmas, it's President Best-Of-The-Public. Semipenultimate (talk) 19:16, 10 February 2017 (UTC)
On behalf of all liberal Wikipedia editors and all cp:Lamestream media, I surrender in the face of united and overwhelming opposition. Hclodge (talk) 08:34, 11 February 2017 (UTC)

It does not matter how Wikipedia navigates the Trump era, because it has millions in its bank and can spend it lavishly for more than the rest of Trump's term. Of greater concern is how Conservapedia navigates the Trump era. RobSmith is anti-Russian and can be expected to take a critical view of the Trump-Putin relationship. Andy is pro-life and has been critical of the nomination of Neil Gorsuch. Andy is also anti-Obamacare and will be disappointed when Trump "repairs" Obamacare rather than merely repealing it. Conventional Republicans have more popular alt-right websites to write for, and the recent active Conservapedia authors appear to be from Europe and are adding European content. It is mid-February and we still do not have articles on all of the members of Trump's cabinet, but we are getting articles on how the CIA built the European Union. Hclodge (talk) 15:17, 14 February 2017 (UTC)

I don't think Andy likes Trump but he will never admit it. He is going off rail a little and taking snipes at Trump's lieutenants. Gorsuch is not suffiently conservative and Pence is a (100% pro life, pro gun, anti gay, anti health care) foul mouthed RINO. Andy did not endorse Trump until his mother did and before that he was leaning towards the since RINOd Ted Cruz. Confusing times for Andy now he no longer has his mum to point him in the right direction.--Mercian (talk) 00:37, 15 February 2017 (UTC)
If Andy is confused, imagine how that leaves his posse when they try to enforce his views on the CP editor corps. Which Trump people can we criticize? Michael Flynn? Putin? Are we allowed to discuss any of Trump's failures? Hclodge (talk) 16:16, 15 February 2017 (UTC)
Clearly the answer will always be 'never!' until it becomes expedient for it to become 'always!' thanks to Andy's convoluted doublethink. But there is some hope with the whole 'Mike Pence did a bad swear' thing. I'd like to see someone try to add the same line to Trump's page on Conservapedia; shit, you could even link directly to the so-called POTUS twitter feed. Screenies and I'll even buy you a beer (offer not valid outside of the Thirty-Mile Zone). Semipenultimate (talk) 22:23, 15 February 2017 (UTC)
Point of Order (since my name was used). Let me be clear, I'm not a Russophobe, I'm anti-commie. I believe the Russian Federation has legitimate concerns and claims in its Black Sea Near abroadWikipedia's W.svg; the Baltics sovereignty should be respected (despite Gingrich willing to sell them out); the Qawqaz (Caususes) and Abkhazia should be a negotiated settlement without Georgia joining NATO, unless NATO redefines its mission as protecting against Islamic encroachment rather than Russian, and a Russian-NATO alliance is forged to defend against the global jihad; the status of Kaliningrad should probably remain as a Russian "exclave", and there's no reason similiar solutions, like the Crimea, for other disputed territories in the Black Sea region cannot be applied. Obama hit the Russian Reset after the creation of the state of Abkhazia, essentially legitimizing what it later called "occupation of Georgia". The Baltics don't need a large or threatening NATO presence, or a missile defense system. What is needed is closer EU-Russian relations. Putin's opposition to gay marriage has nothing to do with my sympathies. Neither does a willingness to frighten and piss-off China scare me. Yes, I'm with the Russian proposals for a Yalta 2 Summit and Agreement. nobs 07:20, 18 February 2017 (UTC)
Oh, and Kuril Islands should be returned to Japan, perhaps in exchange for help in defeating Daesh and defending against Chinese high-seas expansion. nobs 17:25, 19 February 2017 (UTC)
Sorry. Nobs sees the world as a three-dimensional chess board. Although there are excellent staff and Secretaries of Defense and State, Trump and Pence are still learning the names of all of the chess pieces. Meanwhile Andy is trying to find a role in the family organization and how to keep it relevant in the Trump era.
John Wesley Rawles could not support himself with his survival blog, and became a novelist. Eventhough she was 90, mom's reputation was poweful enough for a pro-Trump book deal. Andy is losing money on Conservapedia, cannot get enough scale on homeschool tutoring, and is nowhere near the leadership on the abortion fight. I don't see a secure economic future for Andy. This is similar to Jimmy Wales, who was around at a time to personally exploit Wikipedia for great personal gain, but who has not been able to invent a successful second act to follow it. Conservapedia has been a very clever concept and someone had to lead it, but it has not been well executed, and it is not a viable career path. Hclodge (talk) 11:34, 20 February 2017 (UTC)
Hey Rob, what is your view on CP supporting self confessed Neo Nazis like Le Penn and Wilders? Neo Nazimism is a "liberal" philosophy according to Conservapedia, surely you are not going to stand for that!--Mercian (talk) 12:24, 20 February 2017 (UTC)
@Hlodge, I'm not so certain of that. You would be amazed at what's been accomplished so far already. It may very well be that the job Mike Flynn was brought in to do has been completed, and his departure is the beginning of a softening and reconciliation between Trump and the intelligence community. The Russian hacking fake news was never more than a cover for Clinton Foundation corruption, and as the Obama holdovers get rousted the intelligence community will get on board with Trump. Flynn's gone, so there should be no impediment. As to prosecutions of those involved in the coup, sure Trump's vindictive and a hot head, but it might set a bad precedent.
@Mercian, yes, an interesting point I'll look into. nobs 18:33, 20 February 2017 (UTC)

There are so many similarities between the Donald and Andy: they have this knack to find the right personal! The world would be better off if Donald Trump was just managing a website financed by his wife, but I have no doubt that he would have put his trust in TK and Bugler, too. --larron (talk) 23:32, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

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