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[edit] Another Atheist Mass Murderer
Andreas Lubitz was driven to murder 150 by his atheism. Of course we don't know that he's an atheist because the librul media is hiding it. Of course he might be a Muslim but the librul media is hiding that too. But atheist terrorists are worse because they kill to glorify their God -- wait, what? They're driven to kill by their no God? I love Andy's rabbit holes. Whoover (talk) 00:57, 3 April 2015 (UTC)
- He could turn out to be a Christian. There is no suggestion I can find of him being an atheist apart from when AugustO scorned any attempt to pin it on atheists and Ken posting that though he had to direct proof, the fact that he was suicidal, European etc strongly suggests he is. See Atheism and what ever shite he comes up with.--Mercian (talk) 01:17, 3 April 2015 (UTC)
- Fundamentalists are dependent on the No True Scotsman analogy. To become a Christian is to follow the laws (specifically the ones the arguer uses; if they happen to break laws, those laws don't matter). Thus, to murder is to reject the law and so a murderer can not be a Christian - just an atheist pretending to be one as part of a conspiracy. Shooting blacks and Muslims is apparently still fine, though.-- Forerunner (talk) 01:20, 3 April 2015 (UTC)
- We treat Ken as an outlier, but Andy's posts are just as loony. Water rationing is liberal. (I guess the conservative thing would be to water the lawn and trust that God will provide). Andy's no less extreme on atheism, just lazier. Whoover (talk) 04:13, 3 April 2015 (UTC)
- Andy seems to be extreme in all matters. Atheism, Islam, the environment, welfare, gun control, The Bible, women's rights, minority rights, children's rights, the economy, abortion, computer games, education, intellectualism, science. I could go on but I have never seen him express a view that is not ultra conservative.--Mercian (talk) 04:56, 3 April 2015 (UTC)
- The irony being that over at Flingbutt's hate blog, the pilot did it because he was totally a Muslim convert. PsyGremlin話しなさい 09:38, 3 April 2015 (UTC)
- And a new user politely points out andy's bullshitimg. Wonder how long this user will last? Oldusgitus (talk) 17:44, 3 April 2015 (UTC)
- There's no indication that this was any sort of terrorism, let alone atheistic terrorism. There's no evidence this was done to instill fear. Investigators have found no political or religious motivations and the consensus seems to be the guy was suffering from mental health issues. As usual, Andy is just talking out of his ass. --Night Jaguar (talk) 22:01, 3 April 2015 (UTC)
- Ken and a parodist agree: God doesn't let Christians do bad things, so terrorists and murderers are atheists by definition. Some of them are even tricky regular church-going atheists. Whoover (talk) 22:41, 3 April 2015 (UTC)
- There's no indication that this was any sort of terrorism, let alone atheistic terrorism. There's no evidence this was done to instill fear. Investigators have found no political or religious motivations and the consensus seems to be the guy was suffering from mental health issues. As usual, Andy is just talking out of his ass. --Night Jaguar (talk) 22:01, 3 April 2015 (UTC)
- And a new user politely points out andy's bullshitimg. Wonder how long this user will last? Oldusgitus (talk) 17:44, 3 April 2015 (UTC)
- The irony being that over at Flingbutt's hate blog, the pilot did it because he was totally a Muslim convert. PsyGremlin話しなさい 09:38, 3 April 2015 (UTC)
- Andy seems to be extreme in all matters. Atheism, Islam, the environment, welfare, gun control, The Bible, women's rights, minority rights, children's rights, the economy, abortion, computer games, education, intellectualism, science. I could go on but I have never seen him express a view that is not ultra conservative.--Mercian (talk) 04:56, 3 April 2015 (UTC)
- We treat Ken as an outlier, but Andy's posts are just as loony. Water rationing is liberal. (I guess the conservative thing would be to water the lawn and trust that God will provide). Andy's no less extreme on atheism, just lazier. Whoover (talk) 04:13, 3 April 2015 (UTC)
- Fundamentalists are dependent on the No True Scotsman analogy. To become a Christian is to follow the laws (specifically the ones the arguer uses; if they happen to break laws, those laws don't matter). Thus, to murder is to reject the law and so a murderer can not be a Christian - just an atheist pretending to be one as part of a conspiracy. Shooting blacks and Muslims is apparently still fine, though.-- Forerunner (talk) 01:20, 3 April 2015 (UTC)
- He could turn out to be a Christian. There is no suggestion I can find of him being an atheist apart from when AugustO scorned any attempt to pin it on atheists and Ken posting that though he had to direct proof, the fact that he was suicidal, European etc strongly suggests he is. See Atheism and what ever shite he comes up with.--Mercian (talk) 01:17, 3 April 2015 (UTC)
[edit] Message for Mr Conservative
Ken, I know you read this page so please don't pretend you don't. You wrote on Main Page Talk, "I will let GhazS and AugustO determine if the characteristics of ... depressed/suicidal best fit Bible believers or atheists/irreligious individuals." My uncle was a Bible-believing Christian - a pentecostal pastor, in fact - who suffered from severe depression. How dare you try to use people's religious beliefs or lack of them to make value-judgements about their mental health. I wish you Happy Easter and I hope you spend the day reflecting on what genuine Christians believe is the good news of Jesus's resurrection, instead of writing malicious comments about other people. You twerp. Cardinal Fang (talk) 00:38, 5 April 2015 (UTC)
[edit] Ken DeMyer and stupidity
His Lubitz-related comments are so full of logical fallacies that I don't even know where to begin. It goes like this: Lubitz was German and he was suicidal. Only 45% of Germans believe in God, and Christians apparently cannot be suicidal. Therefore he was merely pretending to be Lutheran and was secretly an atheist (who also killed all these people because he was an atheist, not because he was mentally ill). Sigh. --Da Observer (talk) 11:37, 5 April 2015 (UTC)
- And this surprises you for what reason exactly? 15:29, 5 April 2015 (UTC)
- He spends one of the most holy days of the Christian calender praying, dedicating his life to god and enjoying the company of friends and family. Oh wait.[3]--Mercian (talk) 19:45, 5 April 2015 (UTC)
- There's no "one of the most", I don't think there are any denominations that celebrate holy days where Easter isn't, officially speaking, the biggest one. It's kinda hard to get past the day that's behind the core creed of the religion. Christmas is only on the table because consumerism is a bigger religion to us Americans than Christianity. ikanreed You probably didn't deserve that 19:40, 6 April 2015 (UTC)
- He spends one of the most holy days of the Christian calender praying, dedicating his life to god and enjoying the company of friends and family. Oh wait.[3]--Mercian (talk) 19:45, 5 April 2015 (UTC)
[edit] Andy Schlafly and white pride
Andy Schlafly doesn't see race, until he doesimg. Peace. AgingHippie (talk) 00:48, 6 April 2015 (UTC)
- I'm curious what he'd say about the rioting that happened in Kentucky. AyzmoCheers 13:10, 6 April 2015 (UTC)
- Now he's saying that the NCAA made it a 'white vs. black' final? What should the lamestream media have said about Wisconsin beating Kentucky, anyway? Christ, Andy is incoherent.--Martin Arrowsmith (talk) 16:09, 6 April 2015 (UTC)
- Because the selection committee totally knows what'll happen in advance? Just kidding, NOBODY does. PacWalker 16:21, 6 April 2015 (UTC)
- Yeah, you say 'just kidding', but I'd bet that Andy thinks that the NCAA picks the final four teams or controls who is on what team or something. Or maybe he thinks that the NCAA shouldn't let there be teams where the players are all of one race? Maybe he wants a Title IX for white student athletes?--Martin Arrowsmith (talk) 19:33, 6 April 2015 (UTC)
- That entire thread confuses me. Con jumped in and made a whole bunch of ridiculous statements that I'm not even sure how to interpret. Does he actually think people go through that twisted logic? I'm at a loss. AyzmoCheers 22:46, 8 April 2015 (UTC)
- What's confusing? Pretty much everything that passes for argument there consists of making up things. A favored category is making up things that liberals "think." In this case it's that a team that has too many or too few blacks is evidence of discrimination. Once you make that up, everything else follows naturally. Whoover (talk) 00:36, 9 April 2015 (UTC)
- It's kind of like all the varieties of BS you can show once you "prove" that 1 = 2. PacWalker 00:55, 9 April 2015 (UTC)
- What's confusing? Pretty much everything that passes for argument there consists of making up things. A favored category is making up things that liberals "think." In this case it's that a team that has too many or too few blacks is evidence of discrimination. Once you make that up, everything else follows naturally. Whoover (talk) 00:36, 9 April 2015 (UTC)
- That entire thread confuses me. Con jumped in and made a whole bunch of ridiculous statements that I'm not even sure how to interpret. Does he actually think people go through that twisted logic? I'm at a loss. AyzmoCheers 22:46, 8 April 2015 (UTC)
- Yeah, you say 'just kidding', but I'd bet that Andy thinks that the NCAA picks the final four teams or controls who is on what team or something. Or maybe he thinks that the NCAA shouldn't let there be teams where the players are all of one race? Maybe he wants a Title IX for white student athletes?--Martin Arrowsmith (talk) 19:33, 6 April 2015 (UTC)
- Because the selection committee totally knows what'll happen in advance? Just kidding, NOBODY does. PacWalker 16:21, 6 April 2015 (UTC)
- Now he's saying that the NCAA made it a 'white vs. black' final? What should the lamestream media have said about Wisconsin beating Kentucky, anyway? Christ, Andy is incoherent.--Martin Arrowsmith (talk) 16:09, 6 April 2015 (UTC)
[edit] Atheism and Alzheimer's
I wonder why Ken thinks Atheism and Alzheimer's are not longer linked. He seems to have removed a section on Atheism and Alzheimer's from a large number of articles. aimg bimg cimg Ghost (talk) 22:20, 12 April 2015 (UTC)
[edit] Schlafly gets called out for not knowing "... pretty basic law-school type of stuff" ...
...in Time. Peace. AgingHippie (talk) 21:14, 14 April 2015 (UTC)
- I wouldn't say he necessarily doesn't know it, but he is obviously ignoring it to suit his religio-political agenda. I'm sure it won't be his first time denying established facts for that reason. 141.134.75.236 (talk) 21:24, 14 April 2015 (UTC)
- Aren't there videos floating around of him arguing in court and the judges basically laughing him out?--Miekal 17:52, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
- The Senator Menendez recall attempt? Oh, we had a whale of a time with that. Ignore the constitution, cite a heartfelt letter written by George Washington. Bicyclewheel
19:00, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
- The Senator Menendez recall attempt? Oh, we had a whale of a time with that. Ignore the constitution, cite a heartfelt letter written by George Washington. Bicyclewheel
- Aren't there videos floating around of him arguing in court and the judges basically laughing him out?--Miekal 17:52, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
[edit] Basic Engineer Stuff
I know it's old, but it's so good. Andy is convinced that scientists ("atheistic scientists" in his world) believe in perpetual motionimg. This bit of lunacy stems from his obsession with the Second Law of Thermodynamics, which Andy believes would disprove evolution if we make the slight modification that inputting energy into a system could not reduce that system's entropy. (Actually, that would disprove "life," but for most creationists that's a small price.) Andy somehow equates the stubborn insistence on the Second Law's relevance only to closed systems with perpetual motion. (I haven't been able to follow that train, so if anyone can shed some light on it I'd be in your debt.) Thus we come full circle: belief in evolution is equivalent to insisting that perpetual motion machines are real.
For a guy with an engineering degree, this muddle is more amazing than his not understanding how the Constitution works. Whoover (talk) 16:53, 15 April 2015 (UTC)
Is this how science works? Whoover (talk) 01:17, 18 April 2015 (UTC)
- Yes, pulling random figures out of our backsides is what we scientists do all day. Cardinal Fang (talk) 20:49, 19 April 2015 (UTC)
[edit] A Month Without TAR
It has been a full month since TAR's last edit (to the Lord's Prayer article). Many people thought that TAR was just using CP as a spam farm in the run-up to the launch of his mentor's new book. However, TAR managed to convince Ken that he was a sincere, long-term CP contributor. Well, TAR's track record shows who was correct: with TAR leaving behind banned editors, many red links, and a large number of stub articles that have been converted into spam droppings. Hclodge (talk) 10:33, 24 April 2015 (UTC)
- I must admit I thought about using my sock and reverting some of his insane gibberish but in the end I decided it's more fun to simply leave his droppings all over cp. Some of his additions are better than any satirist could have tried to include. Oldusgitus (talk) 11:10, 24 April 2015 (UTC)
- I admit to a long term goal of making CP the un"Trusworthy Encyclopedia", and if they can do it themselves then more's the better.
Генгисmarauding
12:50, 24 April 2015 (UTC)
- They are completely untrustworthy ALREADY and the stuff you edit will most likely enhance it.--Arisboch (talk) 13:10, 24 April 2015 (UTC)
- I started
underminingediting CP in March 2007, you don't need to tell me how things are progressing.
ГенгисYou have the right to be offended; and I have the right to offend you.
15:06, 24 April 2015 (UTC)
- I started
- They are completely untrustworthy ALREADY and the stuff you edit will most likely enhance it.--Arisboch (talk) 13:10, 24 April 2015 (UTC)
- I admit to a long term goal of making CP the un"Trusworthy Encyclopedia", and if they can do it themselves then more's the better.
[edit] Why is anger bear
"celebrating" the death of a feministimg icon? Oldusgitus (talk) 15:16, 24 April 2015 (UTC)
- Despite the spelling in the URL he still manages to spell "riveter"incorrectly. No wonder the site is such a sorry mess when the adminithugs are only semi-literate.
ГенгисYou have the right to be offended; and I have the right to offend you.
17:34, 24 April 2015 (UTC)
- I think that, despite her feminist connotations, Rosie the Riveter is also a part of American history. She's also a part of pro-USA WWII propaganda, which may endear her to him more. AyzmoCheers 19:56, 24 April 2015 (UTC)
- That I get. What I really struggle with is the way that he, and other wingnutters, will happily ignore things like the feminist role model aspect in order to grab on to the SINGLE thing that justifies their viewpoint. I may be wrong but I really don't see people on the secular left, as I identify myself being, doing the same thing. I will happily accept that my role models have flaws and am willing to admit them. Oldusgitus (talk) 08:37, 25 April 2015 (UTC)
- I get ya. Reagan is a great example. They ignore that he signed a gun control law in California, supported amnesty, Contra, etc. to make him into a saint. Maybe a corollary of the No True Scotsman effect? Either that or they're just ignoring the parts they don't like because it doesn't fit into their narrative? I can't believe that many are as single-minded as Andy and can literally not see things they disagree with. AyzmoCheers 15:36, 25 April 2015 (UTC)
- "ignoring the parts they don't like because it doesn't fit into their narrative" That's basically how most fundies deal with inconvenient passages in their Holy Scripture. 141.134.75.236 (talk) 15:41, 25 April 2015 (UTC)
- I don't get the claim that Anger Bear or conservatives have appropriated a feminist icon. Far as I understand it, Rosie the Riveter was not created as a feminist icon, but as a call to women to pitch in on the home front. That is, she was fundamentally pitched as a patriotic icon, albeit with a call to women to enter professions previously closed to them. She became a feminist icon later, when feminism became a real social concern.
- From Wikipedia: It was only later, in the early 1980s, that the Miller poster was rediscovered and became famous, associated with feminism, and often mistakenly called "Rosie The Riveter."
- So, seems to me that it's the feminists that appropriated Rosie for their own ends -- not that I see anything wrong with that. Phiwum (talk) 20:04, 25 April 2015 (UTC)
- I get ya. Reagan is a great example. They ignore that he signed a gun control law in California, supported amnesty, Contra, etc. to make him into a saint. Maybe a corollary of the No True Scotsman effect? Either that or they're just ignoring the parts they don't like because it doesn't fit into their narrative? I can't believe that many are as single-minded as Andy and can literally not see things they disagree with. AyzmoCheers 15:36, 25 April 2015 (UTC)
- That I get. What I really struggle with is the way that he, and other wingnutters, will happily ignore things like the feminist role model aspect in order to grab on to the SINGLE thing that justifies their viewpoint. I may be wrong but I really don't see people on the secular left, as I identify myself being, doing the same thing. I will happily accept that my role models have flaws and am willing to admit them. Oldusgitus (talk) 08:37, 25 April 2015 (UTC)
- I think that, despite her feminist connotations, Rosie the Riveter is also a part of American history. She's also a part of pro-USA WWII propaganda, which may endear her to him more. AyzmoCheers 19:56, 24 April 2015 (UTC)