RationalWiki:Articles for deletion/Wikipédia (português)

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1. Appears upon translation, to be a hit piece of an ex wikipedia editor. Not helpful to mission as a result. ikanreed ^{You probably didn't deserve that} 20:05, 17 April 2015 (UTC)
2. Not missional at all and doesn't even make an entertaining article. --Castaigne (talk) 20:42, 17 April 2015 (UTC)
3. Even if the content was relevant to RW's mission, 4 quotes do not an article make. 141.134.75.236 (talk) 21:31, 17 April 2015 (UTC)
4. The article author is creating a series of pages with no content, just writing his point of view. --179.208.208.165 (talk) 22:06, 17 April 2015 (UTC)
5. The idea of one editor writing articles in a language that the vast majority of other users cannot read or write is extremely problematic and goes against the ethos of collaboration at the heart of the project. I would like to see every last one of his articles deleted if a vibrant cohort of Portuguese readers and writers does not start contributing in the very near term. Peace. AgingHippie (talk) 02:31, 18 April 2015 (UTC)
6. ^ From what AH said. While it's nice to see RW branch out, almost every interaction ive seen between us and them is that "nobody can verify what you say and what we can verify is bad"--Miekal 03:52, 18 April 2015 (UTC)

   Yeah, well those interactions tend to be because I'm translating pages looking for problematic content. That's going to create a negative front. ikanreed ^{You probably didn't deserve that} 04:10, 18 April 2015 (UTC)

7. Doesn't claim that the Portuguese Wikipedia supports pseudoscience or anything dodgy. Is just some quotes which say that it isn't very good. Those quotes are being taken out of context if they're just from people moaning about their articles being deleted. I'd like to take this opportunity to say that I'm not happy that most of the Portuguese "articles" are just a few sentences, a YouTube video and some links to other wikis. And to my fellow sysops, I'd like to say this. The next time that somebody comes along and creates loads of articles in another language, don't just assume that editor is translating existing articles from English, tell him or her to "keep up the good work on those translations" and give that person admin rights within a matter of weeks. Take a look at what that editor is writing. It might be time to discuss our language policy at the bar. Spud (talk) 05:34, 18 April 2015 (UTC)

   A Wikipédia em português possui problemas diferentes da Wikipédia em inglês. Por exemplo, existe um conflito entre usuários brasileiros e usuários portugueses. A Wikipédia em português é tolerante com charlatões por motivos culturais. Como a população dos dois países (Brasil e Portugal) é católica, com muitos espíritas e evangélicos no Brasil, muitos verbetes fazem propaganda da parapsicologia, entre outras besteiras. Como disse, o verbete precisa de melhoria e ampliação. LeandroTelesRocha (talk) 18:42, 18 April 2015 (UTC)

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1. A Wikipédia em português possui problemas graves. O verbete é uma crítica. LeandroTelesRocha (talk) 20:14, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

   Yeah, but "serious problems" isn't rationalwiki's mission. For one, I'm still not sure the nature of those problems after reading your article, other than the kinds of things people have always said about wikipedias of all languages in quotes. Maybe you could help me understand how those problemas graves relate to pseudoscience, crankery, or authoritarianism? ikanreed ^{You probably didn't deserve that} 20:44, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

   Yes, authoritarianism problems, but pseudoscience and crankery too. LeandroTelesRocha (talk) 02:34, 18 April 2015 (UTC)

   If the Portuguese Wikipédia has articles supportive of real-world authoritarian regimes and doctrines, that could be a missional take for the article, but if you're just complaining that the admins are too authoritive, I'm afraid you won't have much of a case. 141.134.75.236 (talk) 02:38, 18 April 2015 (UTC)

   Concordo que o verbete precisa de melhoria, de ampliação e que não atende a missão do RationalWiki de combater ideias absurdas e a negação da ciência. Só para citar um exemplo, existem administradores que fazem uso político da Wikipédia em português. Quanto a negação da ciência, a Wikipédia em português é tolerante com muitas religiões e seitas. Na verdade, uma característica da cultura brasileira. No Brasil tudo é permitido e tolerado. Existem muitos exemplos de verbetes absurdos e mentirosos na Wikipédia. Estou respondendo para esclarecer que a Wikipédia em português não é confiável. LeandroTelesRocha (talk) 02:55, 18 April 2015 (UTC)

   O.K. Por enquanto eu vou fundir com o verbete Wiki (português), mas eu penso em criar outro alinhado com a missão do RationalWiki. LeandroTelesRocha (talk) 21:42, 18 April 2015 (UTC)

2. Needs improvement, expansion & preferably input from other editors, but seems to fall within stuff we cover. Щєазєюіδ^{Methinks it is a Weasel} 21:02, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

   How? Really, how? It looks like exactly the sort of things people always say about the English wikipedia, but just 2 quotes, and no hint of relevance. I don't know what you're seeing that I'm not. Please help. ikanreed ^{You probably didn't deserve that} 21:16, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

   (Follow up) I tried digging in as much as I could into the 2 citations, and they really don't distinguish themselves from the English Language "WHY DID YOU DELETE MY PAGE ABOUT MY WEBSITE?" complaints that you see everywhere. I could easily believe a smaller wikipedia has an admin cabal mercilessly pushing an agenda, because the English wikimedia staff is hands off about other language pedias(let the local culture decide what suits them etc.), but that's not the case being made. ikanreed ^{You probably didn't deserve that} 21:24, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

Goat

I am deleting the article in 24 hours unless the vote swings considerably. Peace. AgingHippie (talk) 01:55, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

O.K. LeandroTelesRocha (talk) 02:28, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

Observação: Eu vou planejar a criação de um verbete totalmente novo e que respeite a missão do RationalWiki. LeandroTelesRocha (talk) 02:28, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

You may not get the chance, if this ever pans out somewhere.--Miekal 04:34, 20 April 2015 (UTC)