RationalWiki:Articles for deletion

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For the far-right German political party known by the abbreviation AfD, see Alternative für Deutschland.

Some articles on RationalWiki are ripe for plucking and deletion. If you think an article fits this description (and there is no page that it could be better merged with), here are the steps to take to put it on this page:

  1. Add {{Article for deletion}} or {{Article for deletion|Reason}} to the top of the page you think needs deletion.
  2. Press the save button to get the rest of the instructions to populate.
  3. The second line of instructions that appear below the deletion template allow for pre-populating a discussion, click that button, replace the word "Reason" with your reasoning for wanting to delete the article.
  4. Finally add {{RationalWiki:Articles for deletion/ReplaceMeWithTheArticleName}} to top of this list. Don't forget to change the ReplaceMeWithTheArticleName to the proper article name from step 3.

Please notify the creator/main editor(s) on their talkpage using {{afdnotice|(Replace with exact article name '''including namespace''')|(Replace with AFD rationale)}}, particularly if it's new and the users are active.

Then wait a while and see what the mob thinks, unless there's an actual reason it needs to be taken out and shot quickly (e.g. a severely problematic/inaccurate living person's biography).

If the article you are attempting to create an AfD page for has had an AfD before, move the old AfD to a new name (usual standard suggests putting the year of the old AfD after the name, but we have no real policy for this, just make sure someone can find it later) and update the relevant archive before making the AfD.

If you want to delete categories, you can use the same process as for regular pages, but please notify an active bot operator to remove the category instead of cleaning it up yourself if there are a lot of pages.

If you are attempting to merge the article with another, PLEASE DO NOT USE THIS PAGE. That belongs at RationalWiki:Duplicate articles.

Also, if you think an article is substandard but still potentially on-mission, remember that a move to Draft: space might be sufficient.

And don't forget to subscribe. This will allow you to see when a new article for deletion is added.

To archive:

  1. Edit the AFD page to change the result from "?" to "deleted" or "kept" or whatever.
  2. Go to RationalWiki:Articles for deletion/Log and remove the {{RationalWiki:Articles for deletion/Article}}.
  3. Go to the 2023 archives and add {{RationalWiki:Articles for deletion/Article}} at the top of the stack.

After deleting, add Category:Talk pages for deleted articles to the talk page if it has one. (The exception is deleted pages that were not main space articles, for which there's other categories to add to any talk pages instead.)

Category:Murderers | Result: ?[edit]

Category:Murderers (edit|talk|history|protect|delete|links|watch|logs) – (View AfD)


  1. The category is poorly defined as it is currently being used. "Murder" is not the same as "people who have killed". Killing can be 1) self-defense (not murder) 2) in war (generally not murder) or 3) manslaughter (not murder, but illegal). Bongolian (talk) 05:55, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
  2. Poorly defined, emotionally loaded. Potentially libelous (Category:Criminals has this disclaimer too). We have other better categories to saddle awful people with. --It's-a me, Lgm sigpic.png LeftyGreenMario!(Mod) 03:26, 18 March 2023 (UTC)
  3. It's for the best. GeeJayKWhere all evil dwells Where every lie is true 03:55, 18 March 2023 (UTC)
  4. In point of fact I can't see any great problem on the pages where it is actually being used. But something clearer would be better. "Convicted murderers" perhaps.Bob"Life is short and (insert adjective)" 14:20, 18 March 2023 (UTC)


  1. The cat needs refining, not deletion. We have articles on people who have murdered, let's rewrite the cat description and then apply that description consistently. No need to throw it out. SolPyre (talk) 04:03, 18 March 2023 (UTC)
    What should "have murdered" be defined by, though? It's not "have killed" or "responsible/contributed for having killed". I would prefer a "convicted of murder" or "accused of murder by a consensus of reputable organizations". But wouldn't this just ultimately fall under Category:Convicted felons? --It's-a me, Lgm sigpic.png LeftyGreenMario!(Mod) 04:05, 18 March 2023 (UTC)



Livingwhole.org | Result: ?[edit]

Livingwhole.org (edit|talk|history|protect|delete|links|watch|logs) – (View AfD)


  1. This domain has new management with all new content. It is not part of a no-vaccination movement. The new site accepts vaccines are a safe way to protect against certain diseases and illness Strongwind (talk) 19:53, 13 March 2023 (UTC)
    The domain Livingwhole.org is no longer owned by anti-vaxer Megan Renshaw and is now not an anti-vax organization. I'm not sure if she had an organization, really. Anyone can have a .org. But I believe she is still active in promoting anti-vax information using substack. Here is one of her latest articles. The new site does refute some of her claims, including her claim that newborns should not be given a Vitamin K shot. The new content explains why it's needed and links to CDC for more information. Strongwind (talk) 14:17, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
    The domain livingwhole.org is also nolonger woo or pseudoscience. The content relies on scientific studies and not testimonials and is in line with science and functional medicine accepted by major hospitals like Mayo Clinic and Cleveland Clinic.Strongwind (talk) 13:41, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
    @Strongwind Then edit the article to say that. Spud (talk) 14:40, 22 March 2023 (UTC)


  1. well even if it changed doesn't mean we are going to delete the article ←§ Edward the eight (talk) 19:56, 13 March 2023 (UTC)
  2. Bongolian (talk) 03:30, 21 March 2023 (UTC)



  1. Depends on if this is still a relevant organization or not--April Chat? 04:54, 15 March 2023 (UTC)