Talk:27 Club

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  • two Pretenders: James Honeyman Scott (?) and the bassist 25 and 30.
  • Does Stu Sutcliff count? Wasn't really much of a musician, but played in a famous band for a bit. added (21)
  • half the Ramones, surely under 50 done (49 and 50)
  • The guy who inspired this article (by dying...), Alex Chilton... was he over fifty though? 59, not necessarily too "young" for the heart attack.

ħumanUser talk:Human 00:06, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

Though there's only one original surviving Ramone so I don't think they should be included at all in the "still kickin" section. Scarlet A.pngsshole 00:21, 21 March 2010 (UTC)
OK, sure. ħumanUser talk:Human 00:39, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

Isn't there a "special club" for Grateful Dead keyboardists? ħumanUser talk:Human 00:40, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

Pigpen kicked at 27... ħumanUser talk:Human 00:45, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

Should we sort "Can nothing kill them?" by birth year? ħumanUser talk:Human 01:34, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

Hard to do - most of them pre-date the national registry of births, marriages and deaths. Totnesmartin (talk) 15:20, 21 March 2010 (UTC)
Hahaha. Shall we establish a lower cutoff for the "will nothing kill them" section? At least 60? 70? ħumanUser talk:Human 22:09, 21 March 2010 (UTC)
Yeah (make it 60), and remove the clean living types too - it's supposed to be about people who survived the worst that they could throw at themselves, or it loses the humeur and becomes a random list of old people. Totnesmartin (talk) 22:46, 21 March 2010 (UTC)
How about 65? Born 1945 or earlier (as of now)? And agreed, if they weren't known for abusing their bloodstream, there's no pojnt. Is Dean martin still alive? ħumanUser talk:Human 03:19, 22 March 2010 (UTC)
I'll agree to 60 (1950), since it would be a shame to leave out Ozzy and Alice. ħumanUser talk:Human 03:30, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

The less-known names[edit]

Should we stick the band name in parens at the end of listings for those who have no idea who we are talking about - ie, James honeypot Scott (The Pretenders - guitar)? ħumanUser talk:Human 03:35, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

Good idea - or style of music for soloists. Totnesmartin (talk) 13:29, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

Paul the octopus[edit]

Paul the Octopus was born in January 2008 and died in October 2010, two years and nine months later. Should he be put in the 2.7 club? Real first name and last initialTalk, talk, talk skim my contributions 19:25, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

A recent addition: what think the mob???[edit]

User:Kahurangi added the following:

"For an alternative point-of-view see The 27 Club: Why Age 27 Is Important by clinical psychologist Michael Owen."

The Symphony of Punk Can't sleep, clowns will eat me! 09:03, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

Stick it in as an external link, or expand on his thesis in the article. Just sticking a link in like that is a no-no. --PsyGremlinSpeak! 09:11, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
That edit didn't flag as an unpatrolled edit for me, and the editor doesn't have autopatrolled status. Does anyone else have that issue? Redchuck.gif ГенгисOur ignorance is God; what we know is science.Moderator 09:14, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
Yes. Though it could be because I reverted it, but I don't know. The Symphony of Punk Can't sleep, clowns will eat me! 09:16, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
So was it flagged before you reverted? Redchuck.gif ГенгисOur ignorance is God; what we know is science.Moderator 09:18, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
According to the patrol log, PeterL marked them as patrolled. The Symphony of Punk Can't sleep, clowns will eat me! 09:30, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
Please remove my addition. Thanks.Kahurangi (talk) 09:21, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

And what about Bon Scott, also alcohol or "death by misadventure" at 34 ? — Unsigned, by: / talk / contribs

Soccer players too[edit]

Christian Benitez. (Ecuadorian international) Scream!! (talk) 17:11, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

Also, Danny Ortiz, Matt Gadsby, Hervé King, D. Venkatesh and Sékou Camara... SophieWilderModerator 13:32, 21 November 2013 (UTC)

Article is misinformed[edit]

There is no "official" and "unofficial" 27 Club. Any professional musician who dies at 27 is considered part of the 27 Club. Cobain, Hendrix, Morrison et cetera are only the most well-known examples; the list captioned "27 but not in the club" is not accurate. - ConCass (talk) 22:39, 21 July 2015 (UTC)

You seem quite au fait with the membership rules. Are they recorded anywhere? --Annanoon (talk) 09:33, 25 October 2019 (UTC)


The article might mention the older idea that "only the good die young"/"those whom the gods love die young", which may go back to Romantics like Thomas ChattertonWikipedia and John KeatsWikipedia or possibly much further. Another relevant source is Greil Marcus's "Rock Death in the ’70s: A Sweepstakes"[1] which was written out of annoyance with the idea of the "survivor", and wanted to celebrate those people who died young - this has ironically led to a state of affairs where dying young is considered much better than surviving (give or take a few grizzled oldies). Eventually I assume someone saw the figure 27 and associated that with the more general "good die young" meme. --Annanoon (talk) 09:33, 25 October 2019 (UTC)