|
Nominations and Campaigning for the 2024 RationalWiki Moderator Election are now open |
Talk:Allah
Jump to navigation
Jump to search
"A common misconception is that "Allah" is the name of the Muslim God."
- I argued with a Christian friend that Muslims worship the God of Abraham. He states that they only claim to worship the God of Abraham, and that it is in fact just a Muslim God. (I disagree with him; but the point is, it isn't a misconception as much as it is a dispute.) I hope you don't think I am attacking your faith. My view is that if a Muslim claims to be worshiping the God of Abraham, which is the God I worship, it is not up to me to decide if the Muslim is telling the truth. Likewise, if a Jew or Christian claims to worship God, it is not up to me to decide if this is pleasing to God. Anybody not worshiping the God of Abraham, though, is a Pagan. But I digress. The point is, could you provide a reference to the "misconception" or change the sentence to reflect the dispute? Heart♥Gold tx 01:59, 28 May 2007 (CDT)
- But, in an article which talks about the faith of the Muslims the important thing is whom they believe their God to be isn't it? Whether or not you agree with them is irrelevant isn't it? --Bob_M (talk) 02:05, 28 May 2007 (CDT)
- Bob, I think you might have misread what I wrote. I don't disagree that Muslims worship the God of Abraham. If they claim it, it is good enough for me. I am questioning the accuracy of the term misconception in light of my experience that some Christians dispute the claim. If this were an essay, you'd be right. If it were fun, I guess I wouldn't care. But it appears to be a serious contribution, and so I was offering some constructive observations. Heart♥Gold tx 02:17, 28 May 2007 (CDT)
- I apologize unreservedly. I read your note My view is that if a Muslim claims to be worshiping the God of Abraham, which is the God I worship, it is not up to me to decide if the Muslim is telling the truth. and I managed to completely scan over the word "not" which made yyour comment seem quite outrageous. I must be more careful about typing from the hip.--Bob_M (talk) 02:36, 28 May 2007 (CDT)
- Bob, I think you might have misread what I wrote. I don't disagree that Muslims worship the God of Abraham. If they claim it, it is good enough for me. I am questioning the accuracy of the term misconception in light of my experience that some Christians dispute the claim. If this were an essay, you'd be right. If it were fun, I guess I wouldn't care. But it appears to be a serious contribution, and so I was offering some constructive observations. Heart♥Gold tx 02:17, 28 May 2007 (CDT)
- Why has a christian or jew to believe in the God discribed by Muhammed in his book the Qu'ran. It is the christian or jew himselve who believes where he believes in. Not Foster and no 1,2 billion muslims. Dr. Dolittle 11:53, 28 December 2007 (EST)
- But, in an article which talks about the faith of the Muslims the important thing is whom they believe their God to be isn't it? Whether or not you agree with them is irrelevant isn't it? --Bob_M (talk) 02:05, 28 May 2007 (CDT)
- The God described by Mohammah in the Qu'ran is really fairly similar to the Judaeo-Christian God. I don't think anyone is trying to force anyone to believe anything, just pointing out that they're similar. --82.44.64.173
- Have you seen him that Allah? Do you want to convert all christians to Allah. You on "rational"wiki are allmost the same as on conservapedia. Dr. Dolittle 17:33, 28 December 2007 (EST)
- Ad hominem attacks will get you nowhere. And, no, we haven't seen Allah, Vishnu, Jehovah, Jesus, or any other deity. That has nothing to do, however, with whether the deity Allah is the same or not as Jehovah. (Even if you don't believe that two things exist, you can agree that, if they existed, they'd be the same.) Researcher 17:36, 28 December 2007 (EST)
- i)I have a personal belief in God that is not a matter for debate here. If I was a fluent Arabic speaker, then, if I was talking about God, I believe that I would use the word Allah, yes, although in a a strictly religious context, I'd go with אֲדֹנָי, or say that, at least. ii) No. iii) no u. -- מְתֻרְגְּמָן וִיקִי שְׁלֹום!
- Ad hominem attacks will get you nowhere. And, no, we haven't seen Allah, Vishnu, Jehovah, Jesus, or any other deity. That has nothing to do, however, with whether the deity Allah is the same or not as Jehovah. (Even if you don't believe that two things exist, you can agree that, if they existed, they'd be the same.) Researcher 17:36, 28 December 2007 (EST)
- As many of the so called "ietsists" (something believers) I call the God I believe in God. My ietsists God is however anti-judaist, anti-christian and anti-islam. Is my "something" God the same as the Judaist God, the christian God OR the islam God ? Dr. Dolittle 03:11, 29 December 2007 (EST)
- If one were to make the argument that the Christian God is the same as the Jewish YHWH (and last I checked, there weren't that many Marcionites left in the world), one must also accept for the same reason the assertion that the Islamic Allah is the same as the first two gods. Otherwise it's a little like saying "Shakespeare didn't write the works of Shakespeare, it was someone else with the same name". Allah==YHWH, and I don't there's any reasonable way to dispute that. As for us being like CP... well, we're not the ones trying to run a wiki as a private fiefdom. EVDebs 00:12, 29 December 2007 (EST)
- Have you seen him that Allah? Do you want to convert all christians to Allah. You on "rational"wiki are allmost the same as on conservapedia. Dr. Dolittle 17:33, 28 December 2007 (EST)
The use of Allah by Arabic speaking Christians is not universal. I gather some use this name for God, and some don't, depending on the translation used.--Albannach (talk) 16:58, 6 March 2013 (UTC)
Recent addition[edit]
A rather large screed was just added by a brand new editor - it appeared to be copied from here (go to '11') or here so I undid it. Scream!! (talk) 16:04, 18 September 2015 (UTC)