Talk:Behe: The Edge of Evolution, Interview

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Sorry. Just read a few of his answers and thought they were good. HeartGold tx 21:21, 20 June 2007 (CDT)

Welcome back, Heart! Anyways, you can always look here. It's an article that appeared in the New Republic. It's a pretty damning critique of the "book."-AmesG 21:23, 20 June 2007 (CDT)

Criminy, vandalised before I could even proofread his answers! People move fast on this wiki... :) Hi Heart! humanbe in 21:25, 20 June 2007 (CDT)

OK, thanks for a few minutes to play. I think I got the structure straight & editing easy. I started a few answers for us, but much more can be done, like fixing my crappy answers... humanbe in 21:42, 20 June 2007 (CDT)

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This article has officially become awesome and should be featured prominently. That's how we do it, folks!--PalMD-yada yada 13:02, 21 June 2007 (CDT)


Yes, wow. From an offhand suggestion from Tmtoulouse to me yesterday afternoon, to this, in 24 hours! Incredible work, team RW! humanbe in 14:54, 21 June 2007 (CDT)

I'll join in on the self congratulation here too. All this and no mention of the "Other Place". Great! --Bob_M (talk) 15:08, 21 June 2007 (CDT)

Darwinism and TOE should not mean the same thing, right?[edit]

Under section 2 Behe sez: "Not at all. It is an excellent explanation for some features of life, but it has sharp limits. Darwin’s theory is an amalgam of several concepts: 1) random mutation, 2) natural selection, and 3) common descent." Someone correct me if I'm horribly wrong about this, but: Random mutation was not part of Darwin's theory. This was before Mendelian genetics/DNA. Maybe Behe is intentionally conflating the modern TOE with Darwin's theory of natural selection - I think he does this throughout the interview - but either way it's just wrong. Attacking the possibility of random mutations has nothing to do with arguing against 'Darwinism', if Darwinism means the theories of Darwin. I dunno why these cretinists are so obsessed with Darwin. Bleckhh. I was just thinking we could mention this somewhere. If we have already, my apologies! - Clepper

"Darwin’s theory" is not even a "scientific theory", it's a 150 year-old hypothesis that has developed into the "modern consensus" or whatever it's called. He's using the phrase because like most YECs he's a Giant-worshipping mental gnat. ħumanUser talk:Human 02:47, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
I don't know if he used mutation but the idea that things changed over time and the best suited to an environment flourish was pretty clear in his books. ' Yes darwinism'is treated as the current theory in biology often referred to as TOE. Hamster (talk) 18:27, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

Evolution in action[edit]

Creatures which have adapted to city life (birds, rats, foxes ...) without the city being designed for them.

Be careful with edges. They may be sharp. 82.44.143.26 (talk) 16:29, 26 January 2011 (UTC)


Evolution is constrained[edit]

People won't suddenly develop wings, nor plants legs etc. Is this misunderstanding/misrepresenting the Behe thesis more than it does 'actual evolution'? 212.85.6.26 (talk) 16:56, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, where do you see this...sentiment? 01:39, 17 May 2011 (UTC) C®ackeЯ

IMHO I believe just citing Richard Lenski's long-term E. coli evolution experiment (see http://myxo.css.msu.edu/ecoli/) would more than blow off this 'constrained' argument. — Unsigned, by: Slack1 / talk / contribs

if thats what Behe said he is quite right, people wont "suddenly' develop wings and plants have been under pressure to grow legs (or other means of moving) and I am not aware of any that can do so. What would be the advantage to a human with wings (presuming no arms)? Hamster (talk) 18:33, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

BoN brings a correction[edit]

Errata: Reference [2] is now obsolete as MarkCC had changed Web Servers. The correct reference now is: http://scientopia.org/blogs/goodmath/2007/05/31/behes-dreadful-new-book-a-review-of-the-edge-of-evolution/.

Regards, An Atheist skeptic truth-seeking unbeliever... :) — Unsigned, by: 122.106.147.61 / talk / contribs

Much appreciated, but you could've made that correction yourself on the page instead of notifying us and waiting for someone else to change it. Be brave! :D I've made the correction to the link for you, however, so it's taken care of. Thanks for your help, anonymous skeptic! (P.S. consider registering an account and joining us.) Ochotona princepsnot a pokémon 11:46, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

Preserving the Interview[edit]

Hi! I'm clueless. How do we preserve interview in the event Uncommon Descent ceases to function? --TheLateGatsby (The end of the dock ) 00:43, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

[1] Nutty Roux100x100 anarchy symbol.svg 03:40, 4 May 2013 (UTC)