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History (and science) section[edit]

I seem to recall some speculation that the Bible was wrong when it mentioned the "Hittites" as a nation/state since secular history and science were mute on there being such a people...for a long time. But evidence for there being a "Hittite" people emerged from secular history and archeology. Alas I do not recall where or when such evidence came to light. CЯacke®

The God of the Bible[edit]

Made humans in (complex/multiple genders) image.

Until Adam and Eve ate the apple they went around naked (or possibly occasionally wore protective clothing - against brambles etc). So God goes around naked but in 'Religious Art with a Capital A' when in his masculine aspect wears clothes - why (and who makes them).

Also, God in his masculine aspect must be uncircumcised. He also has 'hinder parts' which (forget whom in the Bible) saw.

What else can be deduced about his appearance? 82.44.143.26 (talk) 15:51, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

You do realize that any pictures of the Christian/Jewish god are artist renditions, yes? As such, complaining about why he's wearing clothes in certain pictures is as worthless as asking why Jesus appears to be white/black/Asian/Korean/Arabic in XYZ painting.
You state that the Christian/Jewish god must be uncircumcised, but this position is unsupported by any evidence even Biblical. In fact, were such a god omnipotent, then he could be uncircumcised one second, circumcised the next, and uncircumcised again the next. Without a specific source for the Christian/Jewish god having "hinder parts" the claim is fruitless. ... After all, there a hojillion copies of the Bible online, go to one, search for "hinder parts" and back up your claim.
TL;DR: depictions of gods vary as more often than the artists themselves. Nothing significant can be derived from them. --Eira OMTG! The Goat be Praised. 03:19, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

Syllogism - Man is made in God's image; the Abrahamic covenant, therefore God is uncircumcised.

'Given the number of deities shown at least partially clothed' the idea is worth considering (even if merely as a way of passing the time).

The biblical quotation is Exodus 33:18-34:9)

Any further discussion can probably decamp to [1]. 171.33.222.26 (talk) 18:23, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

New Wikipedia page Failed Bible prophecies needs your brilliant minds[edit]

If you participate, please try to follow the current format and try to avoid the kinds of edits that happen here at RationalWiki. Y'all know what I'm talking about. However, it's people like you that, when serious, come up with the best stuff. Sacred-texts.org (under the Polyglot Bible) is a good way to check the translation of the Bible, word for word. I've got the failed destruction of Tyre and Jesus being Emmanuel there. RationalWiki has a good list on the page Biblical prophecies, that I'd like to see copied over to Wikipedia. I think more people would see them, that way. Knowledgebattle (talk) 09:18, 30 September 2015 (UTC)

Good idea! Wikipedia needs more guerilla scepticism. Though, I've gathered that it's always a really bad idea to openly state that you're "originating" from another wiki. And - obviously - on Wikipedia, wikipedia's rules apply, not ours. So, e.g., don't go in and earn their wrath by trying to inject snark into Wikipedia. You're doing Dog's work, son. Dog speed! Reverend Black Percy (talk) 12:10, 30 September 2015 (UTC)
Yea, the snark and sarcasm is what I was referring to, for things to avoid. The page has already had a few Christians up in arms, calling it an "attack page", and it's up for deletion. The speedy deletion was denied, because it doesn't actually mean the qualifications for an attack page. On the Talk page, I mentioned how Wikipedia also has other failed prophecies/predictions made throughout history (and therefore, this is no different). Talk page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Failed_Bible_prophecies Knowledgebattle (talk) 02:42, 1 October 2015 (UTC)

My two cents[edit]

One of the reasons why I became skeptic is the Bible (and something similar could be said of the Qur'an). Is very shallow to be "a history of the world":

1) Genesis. The Heavens and Earth simply pop in. No mentions at all of all those things that science has revealed us (the Big Bang and everything that followed up to formation and evolution of the Solar System, the cosmic web of galaxies, subatomic particles, bacteria and virus...). Everything is just what people of millennia ago knew and for the case the ending would have incorporated some of those ideas we know about the future of the Universe, not looking like... well.

2) An alternative name could be "Adventures of the Jews". No mentions of people outside Israel and surrounding territories (no Chinese, Native Americans, etc. that if it was gonna be a book for all the mankind should have been mentioned at least.)

3) Inconsistencies and big gaps in the life of Jesus. Someone so important should have been far more fleshed out.

I could go on (mistakes on translation, edits on the original texts, etc) but it's hard to take seriously that book. It could be forgiveable if so many people had not died because it and Fundies wanted it passed down the throats of everyone. --Panzerfaust (talk) 12:37, 12 March 2017 (UTC)

Goodpost.gif I think you'll find the Qur'an is different though. There's a cryptic reference that possibly says water is necessary for life. <sarcasm>I wonder how Mohamed knew that living in what was practically a desert?</sarcasm> Christopher (talk) 12:55, 12 March 2017 (UTC)
As an aside, I can recognize the artistic value of the Bible plus all the art that has come from the scenes depicted there. But it's too little to redeem it compared to what has been caused not by the Bible itself -it's just a book after all- but by the men who forced and force everyone to accept what's written on it without questions. --Panzerfaust (talk) 14:30, 13 March 2017 (UTC)

Another point to be considered by the fundies[edit]

Who kept the records?

Adam and Eve #may# have used Enochian, but what records are there of 'them and their descendants' knowing how to write and that what was written was what actually happened.

Ditto Noah - as well as taking on 'large numbers of animals and plants' he also had the foresight to take the existing histories of his people with him and keep them updated (while not mentioning the support teams that helped him on his epic journey).

And so on. Anna Livia (talk) 19:37, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

Everything can be explained away by God ex machina. --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario! 19:55, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
Or one assumes that the Bible is a composite construct from various sources, including folk tales, and the Flood was 'widespread and relatively local' with a wandering bard or two (who belonged to tribes in the dry areas beyond) being hired to write the story (and making use of existing narratives based on other floods 'as the locals don't know any better'). Anna Livia (talk) 15:04, 19 January 2018 (UTC)