The actual theory
I am given to understand the idea runs something like this:
- God is in control of everything and you have no free will.
- Jesus died for the sins of those that believe in him and those that accept him will be saved.
- However as God controls everything, whether you accept Jesus or not is His choice.
- Therefore God has already decided whether you are going to be saved or not before you are born.
Those that are going to be saved are called the elect. About the only person on the planet that still believes this is Fred Phelps and his family and even still they believe that some amongst them are going to hell as they are not elect. - π 22:52, 28 March 2010 (UTC)
- That is more than twice as stupid as normal predestination. Perceptron (talk) 20:30, 1 April 2011 (UTC)
Double Secret Predestination
- Lol, should be a funspace article. - π 01:57, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
An omnipotent god necessarily implies double predestination
If God is all-powerful yet is simultaneously not going to save everyone, doesn't that mean that he's already damned a certain number of people? I think that the objection to this to people who simultaneously believe in an omnipotent God are trying to draw a difference between an all-powerful God coming in to fiddle with someone's genes or upbringing or whatever so that they're damned and an all-powerful god knowing that 320 years from now Joe Blow in Bremerton, WA is going to hell but deciding not to stop it. But I don't see a difference. If you're omnipotent and see someone on the path to damnation but don't stop it, it means you want them to be damned. Of course the contradiction goes away if you don't believe that God doesn't damn anyone and/or isn't omnipotent. As an aside, I think an omnipotent being also being described as omniscient is redundant and is just there to puff up its status. --Dr. Swordopolis (talk) 03:30, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
So 'person who develops a medical initiative which saves millions of lives' can be sent to hell and Hitler, Stalin and Mao' go to heaven 'merely because God previously decided it would be so.'