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Eating gluten-free can fall into "diet woo" category if done for the wrong reasons, but it's got plenty of legitimacy. I went from averaging a fever a month and running out of vacation to make up sick time, to (relatively) healthy, and I'm eternally grateful that the science was there to explain why I had to give up bread. Memesis (talk) 07:11, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

I don't think anyone thinks gluten-free diets are rank quackery. Obviously, they're necessary for some people. However, there is quite a bit of quackery attached to gluten-free diets, and this is RW, so we concentrate on the quackery. Nebuchadnezzar (talk) 02:42, 7 January 2012 (UTC)
That's why I'm adding links to both the "legitimate" and "quackery" sections. :) Thanks in turn for your contributions to a topic of interest to me. Memesis (talk) 04:22, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

Gluten-Free Weight Loss[edit]

Speaking as a gluten-free (2 years and counting) fat man, I can tell you there's more to weight loss than this. Now if only the talk shows would pay me to come on and talk about this. Memesis (talk) 21:53, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

More changes[edit]

I added a bunch of stuff from the perspective of genuine sufferers but I think the article's form needs to be improved Celiac disease is like autism. It's a genuine medically diagnosed condition that a bunch of flakes have leapt onto and popularised. I would hope the article takes shape along those lines, the emphasis being first on the condition and proper diagnosis thereof and then relegating the woo down the bottom.

As a parent of a kid with coeliac disease (UK spelling this time), my own opinion of GF food woo is double edged. On the one hand it means more variety of foods which is great. On the other it means that I fear going in any restaurant, even one which claims to be GF for worrying what preparation they do or not do in the kitchen to avoid contamination. If they think GF is just some stupid fad then I can easily see cutting corners because they don't appreciate the harm that doing so can cause. . --MagicMoose (talk) 13:07, 17 January 2012 (UTC)

I think the "why the diet" section is in better shape now. The early revisions of the "lifestyle" section felt like a rundown of stuff to avoid, so I took a shot at giving that some cohesion. It feels balanced to me now. Memesis (talk) 18:27, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

Lose the Wheat, Lose the Weight, by William David[edit]

what it says on the label

Any opinions? I don't usually go diving into things like that, but a friend loaned teh missus a copy of it. On the one hand, I don't usually think of Rodale (of Organic Gardening fame) as woo purveyors, but maybe I ought to. On the other hand, the author has appeared on the Dr. Oz show. The only thing I've gleaned (heh) from a cursory skim is that the author has FUD to sell regarding the fact that modern wheat cultivars are shorter and with bulkier seed heads than their ancestors. Yes, in my country we call that ag-ri-cul-ture. Sprocket J Cogswell (talk) 15:42, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

I think one of the problems with wheat is that it is often turned into cakes, biscuits, and breads with sweet toppings. By cutting wheat you are removing a lot of those snacks. Redchuck.gif ГенгисmaraudingModerator 17:23, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
P.S. Just found this article in today's Independent. Redchuck.gif ГенгисOur ignorance is God; what we know is science.Moderator 17:31, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
Interesting article, cheers. In her case there is a genuine sensitivity, which means I must reverently dispose of any biscuits or other wheaty sweets that appear in the house. I transubstantiate the nasty proteins into a sunny disposition, not that difficult or tedious a task. Small doses, on the order of a slice or two of sprouted-grain bread do not upset her, so we don't need to keep a kitchen with religious levels of cross-contamination avoidance.
Thanks in large part to RW, my familiarity with the taxonomy of rhetorical gadgets employed by woo peddlers has been enhanced. I suppose I need to actually read Dr. David's book, and see if any of those stylistic features stand out in it. Sprocket J Cogswell (talk) 18:48, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

As said, you will probably lose weight by going gluten/wheat free only because you'll be avoiding alot of snack foods. And more then that, grain foods like rice and bread tend to be high calorie for the amount of nutrients and pure bulk. Eating two pieces of dry wheat bread has the same amount of calories a shake made of a cup of almond milk, an apple, a peach, a banana, and a scoop of protein shake. So, it isn't so much going gluten free or wheat/grain free will help you lose weight, its that doing so will force you to moderate your calorie intake--Just relax, and stay funny (talk) 19:12, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

I have recently been diagnosed as coeliac. I am now on a gluten free diet and have put on weight... JzG (talk) 23:50, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
I'm going to hazard a guess that you're eating gluten free grains like rice, which I think is actually higher in calories per unit.--Just relax, and stay funny (talk) 00:19, 4 January 2013 (UTC)
Not really, it's more that the rapid weight loss I experienced that was the catalytic event leading to diagnosis, has now reversed. I can digest the food I eat properly, so my osteoporosis is being fixed and I am no longer skeletal. JzG (talk) 17:25, 4 January 2013 (UTC)

About the edit from 22 June 2018[edit]

I didn't revert it, because I am not sure, how important the note about the satured fats was to begin with (and I don't know enough about that topic to be honest), but it reminded of an article about sugar industry research from Steven Novella: [1] Basically it's about different themes like industries presenting their products in the best light, research transparency and a balanced diet still being the best answer we have so far. It also mentions, that you should keep in mind, that meat and dairy industries also funded studies and the question, what the overall net effect was. At one point it links to an article from Scott Alexander though (he has an article here), but that article didn't look crazy and was about similar stuff like the Steven Novella article. Amorill (talk) 11:29, 6 November 2018 (UTC)

Review paper[edit]

[2] "Emerging evidence shows that gluten avoidance may be beneficial for some patients with gastrointestinal symptoms, such as those commonly encountered with irritable bowel syndrome. However, high-quality evidence supporting gluten avoidance for physical symptoms or diseases other than those specifically known to be caused by immune-mediated responses to gluten is neither robust nor convincing. In fact, gluten avoidance may be associated with adverse effects in patients without proven gluten-related diseases." Can this be cited on the article? Sar (talk) 19:27, 17 November 2021 (UTC)

Depends. Are you a sock, or not? --Andrew5 mobile (talk) 19:33, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
??? What, Andrew 5? What a weird question. --It's-a me, Lgm sigpic.png LeftyGreenMario! 21:48, 17 November 2021 (UTC)

I have never edited this website before I merely found this article from a Google search and was interested in adding a reference. I just looked up Andrew 5 on the link on his userpage, he is indef blocked on Wikipedia (he has hundreds of blocked socks) [3]. This guy clearly has projection issues. Sar (talk) 01:58, 19 November 2021 (UTC)

Hundreds? The categories only show 15 socks and 4 were alts of sock HT495, PlanetsForLife, Phoner8/Phoner89 (which is in gale5050 sock category; Gale5050 is a sock of me), Phoyner/CrownAlextoria and Humiebees also isn’t me. However, I am the untagged A1N2D3R4E5W6. In total, I’d say I have around a dozen socks. There is also Steven1825andrew2044, which never edited enwiki but did edit other sites. He is probably only bringing this up as I accused him of socking but yet look at what I did to Wikipedia. Finally, we assumed you were a sock as you acted sock-y to other users who are socks (Ken and mike). --Andrew5 mobile (talk) 02:30, 19 November 2021 (UTC)