Talk:Hbomberguy/Archive1

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Any pseudo-science, conspiracy theories, etc

I watch hbomb. He's an anarcho-communist (https://mobile.twitter.com/hbomberguy/status/827630562777169921 https://ask.fm/Hbomberguy/answers/137164984363) and that should be noted, as should any other radical political views. He got a lot of flak from other socialists for not fully supporting a sexual assault victim in 2011 (https://mobile.twitter.com/thomavella/status/848924894368858113 http://hbomberguy.tumblr.com/post/159210444691/an-apology), and there's some shit about SomethingAwful and involvement with drama-reactionary Mister Metokur (https://archive.fo/ZIWmC) but both seem very internet-drama-y. FU22YC47P07470 (talk/stalk)

Sargon admitting he had one good point?

Why does this matter? Almost everyone has made at least one good point in their lives. Just because someone admits you said one good thing doesn't mean you "win", and suddenly you're right about everything and the other guy is wrong. The line just seems meaningless and only intended to imply that somehow HBomberGuy is right and Sargon is wrong. ^{— Unsigned, by: 209.202.4.164 / talk / contribs}

Fair point. Mʀ. Wʜɪsᴋᴇʀs, Esϙᴜɪʀᴇ (talk/stalk) 22:01, 25 August 2017 (UTC)

Bread and Butter

Is his Bread and Butter really politics? He seems to do much more gaming and general media content than anything politics related.^{— Unsigned, by: 152.78.175.168 / talk / contribs}

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"Extreme left"

The article contains outlandish speculation about his "communist views" based on some comment on AskFM. He has stated multiple times that he does not consider himself a communist, and do not support communist regimes and so on. Calling him "extreme left", let alone saying he identifies himself as such (he never did, not even ironically, as far as I can tell), is simply red-baiting. RW should be better than this.

After looking, the fact is he doesn't think capitalism can't work and even wants it to, fits almost perfectly with the label of a social democrat (not a democratic socialist), like, it didn't look that hard to sus out. This is in line more with the Elizabeth Warren side of the left as compared to a more socialist Bernie, if Bernie can even be called a socialist today. BumblingBuffoon (talk) 12:07, 28 August 2022 (UTC)

User:GrammarCommie reverted the removal of these claims. --SkullGang (talk) 20:07, 5 February 2018 (UTC)

You've never heard of crypto-politics have you? ☭Comrade GC☭^{Ministry of Praise} 22:01, 5 February 2018 (UTC)

@SkullGang In two answers, he called himself "very left" or "far left". In many answers, he called himself "socialist" -- definitely, by American or even European standards, "far left". We're literally using his words to describe him -- how can we be more charitable? Fuzzy "Cat" Potato, Jr. (talk/stalk) 03:31, 6 February 2018 (UTC)

"Far left" is something very different than "extreme left". In American politics, they're seen as the same, but Hbomberguy lives in UK. Being "far-left" in the UK is seen very differently (although not positively either) than in the US. He has also explicitly rejected the label communist during his Twitch streams multiple times.--SkullGang (talk) 06:45, 6 February 2018 (UTC)

@SkullGang The link for the "extreme left" quote is dead and wasn't archived so I'll remove it. You also do have a point that it's loaded language. Do you have any timestamped links for his Twitch stream quotes? If you want to add that he has rejected the label, you'll need a source. CowHouse (talk) 07:02, 6 February 2018 (UTC)

If we're doing baseless speculation about someone's political beliefes, then what makes us different than conservapedia or other nutjob websites.--SkullGang (talk) 06:45, 6 February 2018 (UTC)

Rape apology?

Multiple articles on the site talk about rape apology and the negatives of it, why doesn't Hbomberguy's article have anything about his rape apologism, or his refusal to acknowledge properly his horrific treatment of the poor girl he harassed? ^{— Unsigned, by: 76.190.50.154 / talk / contribs}

I'm not aware of it. What happened? CowHouse (talk) 03:36, 21 September 2018 (UTC)

Short story is that former friend (and artist commissioned for work on videos) Klaus posted a callout about how Hbomb was pals with someone from their old SA crew who threatened Klaus with rape, and when Klaus confronted Hbomb about it Hbomb gaslit him suggesting he was misremembering. Klaus' blog no longer exists but you can still see the relevant posts archived here: https://archive.is/https://dicksweredinner.tumblr.com/* ^{— Unsigned, by: 76.204.124.120 / talk / contribs}

Well, personally, I found out about this because he very publicly(and in my own opinion appropriately) apologized for it, saying it was wrong to trust a friend just because they were a friend about such a serious thing. It's probably still worth including. Just contextually, omitting the apology is probably a bad idea as well. Apologism apology? ikanreed ^{🐐Bleat at me} 19:29, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

I call it "apology for apology". --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario! 19:57, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

I made it. ^{— Unsigned, by: Dontcarebear / talk / contribs}

Those discord screencaps are definitely a thing I hadn't been exposed to. ikanreed ^{🐐Bleat at me} 17:31, 14 December 2018 (UTC)

It's worth noting that at least one of the people involved in adding this to the article has been trying to "raise awareness" of this across multiple sites while very intentionally omitting a lot of information, including some of Brewis's reasons for not linking to the callout post (a doxxing attempt by Klaus and later, someone registering Klaus's account name after it went down and redirecting it to malware). It's very strange that Dontcarebear would mention that discussion of the matter isn't allowed on Brewis's Discord, without also mentioning in the article the reasons stated in their own sources ("there has been a big problem with harassment in this server over public callouts") and without mentioning Klaus's doxxing attempt.

Brewis's initial reaction was shitty in the extreme, but what's going on right now isn't, as claimed elsewhere, a good-faith attempt at holding Brewis accountable or pushing him to improve, and it isn't an honest attempt at documenting the situation. Dontcarebear is omitting or selectively presenting information across all the websites they're pushing this on. 84.180.151.137 (talk) 19:54, 15 December 2018 (UTC)

Hm. [Seems Dontcarebear has been caught in a lie.](https://www.reddit.com/r/BreadTube/comments/a6181k/comment/ebwcwrm) 84.180.80.85 (talk) 08:38, 16 December 2018 (UTC)

oof 32℉uzzy; 0℃atPotato (talk/stalk)

I deleted the post as per the victim's wishes - they didn't want it public, but this had only been stated in private. As for being "caught in a lie" the quotes of Hbomb deleting stuff were provided by the victim himself as evidence of Hbomb deleting evidence. It turns out this was not the case.Dontcarebear (talk) 09:30, 17 December 2018 (UTC)

Yeah, internet telephone with assholes involved happened. That's why screenshots that don't supply context suck ass. ikanreed ^{🐐Bleat at me} 03:17, 20 December 2018 (UTC)

Respecting the victim's wishes

It's been suggested, though not discussed in detail, that Klaus doesn't want this talked about too much. If that's true(is it true?), should we cut the section entirely to respect their privacy? ikanreed ^{🐐Bleat at me} 03:21, 20 December 2018 (UTC)

Do we know for sure Klaus even wants this info to be public? Didn’t Klaus delete their tumblr post about it? It feels weird to keep this section up, for multiple reasons. Dotforest (talk) 01:58, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

Actually, it looks a lot of the corroborating information around this was deleted or seems to be untrustworthy due to vendettas. Given concerns about both privacy and trustworthiness, it doesn't seem right to leave it up. 172.249.182.101 (talk) 21:07, 5 January 2021 (UTC)