Talk:Identity politics

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Edited in the spirit of contextualizing the emergence of modern "left" identity politics in America and clarifying the uneasy, ambivalent relationship between the identity politics based New Left and the Marxist Left. But history has spoken. Marxism has virtually disappeared from the American political landscape and racial/gender identity politics has become influential in the mainstream discourse (although its true level of support among the American public is open to question).— Unsigned, by: / talk / contribs 23:02, 29 May 2014‎ (UTC)

Proposed improvements[edit]

Just two suggestions: Could we potentially make the section 'Social Constructivism' a page in it's own right? I think it requires more exposition than what it's limited amount gives, and what it gives is few different perspectives crammed together (Like Marxism and Deconstruction Theorists) The second suggestion is tweaking the conclusion as it doesn't read as if it follows from the text that it's just a 'far left/right' problem, and also encompassing the 'Far Left' Marxist critique of it. In the UK we tend to criticize Left Unity as the Identity Politics of Marxists. The Article is good for historical analysis (Some points could do with more citations such as the 'gay is the new black' paragraph) and I think we're onto a winner with it. R.Wulfe (talk) 13:37, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

I say go for it! ·FemiliskSJ 07:00, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

Restored parts of the BON's material[edit]

At least some of it was relatively on-topic and seemed well-informed. It was tendentious; then again we do tendentious. I've restored a bit of it and added basic references. There may be more worth saving. - Smerdis of Tlön, A ⇒ ¬A. 04:54, 8 February 2015 (UTC)

I don't know how to feel about this[edit]

See reference 10 here: --ZooGuard (talk) 09:09, 22 February 2015 (UTC)

"If South Sudanese people can devise and institutionalize an inclusive system of governance, which, in word and practice, could be seen as fair, just and equitable for all the ethnic groups of South Sudan, then the fight against tribalism will be won and South Sudan will avoid the pitfalls of her fellow post-colonial African countries by becoming a successful, new, prosperous nation because a political system where representatives of a particular ethnic group hold a number of government posts proportionate to the percentage of the total population that the particular ethnic group represents will promote and preserve peace and harmony among all the ethnic group of that nation." Ah yes, ConfessionalismWikipedia. Why can't we all be more like Lebanon? You know, he's not entirely wrong, but when confronted with a very "tribal" society Federalism would probably work better than just pure Confessionalism. Alsto003 (talk) 18:40, 9 September 2015 (UTC) Alex

Identity politics isn’t just a tool of the left. The right has used it again and again[edit]

The above headline was borrowed from the article I wish to recommend — "The battle over identity politics, explained". A worthwhile read. Reverend Black Percy (talk) 22:33, 28 March 2017 (UTC)

I don't disagree. The politics of Confederate flags and Ten Commandment plaques is the same kind of territorial pissing. It's mostly a matter of history; leftists coined the phrase. - Smerdis of Tlön, LOAD "*", 8, 1. 04:08, 29 March 2017 (UTC)

SPLC warns: far-right Identitarians on the rise[edit] Reverend Black Percy (talk) 13:57, 3 April 2017 (UTC)

Food for thought: Is Atheism identity politics?[edit]

See the main article on this topic: Identity politics

Not necessarily — atleast not according to the Sokal-type leftist, naturalist analytic philosopherWikipedia Gary Edwards. (Edwards' introduction is available here).

Read more on the process of analytic philosophy here (though, the school of analytic philosophy is not to be confused with Edwards' particular conclusions drawn above).

As for my own views on the above discussed topic, well... They're much more complex and nuanced than this. Crucially however, that's not say that Edwards' train of thought lacks essential highlights.

I would argue that the attempt to reduce splittingWikipedia in one's own mind is prerequisite to the very ability to (potentially) form meaningful views on any topic — but hey, that's me.

I find his discussion interesting enough — though, as always in the case of YouTube videos, much remains to be said (both "pro" and "con").

Regardless, as far as mere food for thought is concerned, his talk is a most passable ten minutes. Reverend Black Percy (talk) 14:35, 3 April 2017 (UTC)

Racial representation in the media is not a good example[edit]

Racial representation in the media and in acting generally, is not a trivial issue - it is an issue of equal opportunities: equal access to jobs based on merit, of role models for young non-white kids (an issue that both many non-white adults in general, and white conservatives, rate as important), and of deconstructing and banishing racial stereotypes. I think we need to find a better, less controversial example of the excesses of modern identity politics.--Greenrd (talk) 14:18, 27 May 2017 (UTC)

The article at present does not speak of actors in actual roles. It does talk of Hollywood style radical posturing, and discusses acting only in terms of the "actors and models" who appear in stock photographs and in advertising. I'm not sure those are actual role models. (Do people even have role models any more?) The point the text is trying to make is actually that cosmetic compliance with the demand for 'representation' and 'diversity' in those fields costs the corporations nothing, and as such does nothing to make a more just society where material resources are concerned. - Smerdis of Tlön, LOAD "*", 8, 1. 16:14, 27 May 2017 (UTC)
What? First of all, do you think that those actors and models are somehow not employed? Also, as someone who has worked with a decent amount of stock footage over the years there's been a marked change in how different ethnicities were presented, just 10 years ago its wasn't uncommon for the top results for 'black man' to include someone committing a criminal activity, or looking threatening. This is likely to be reflective of the culture, but its probably good that we stay way from reinforcing harmful stereotypes as our default. Honestly, this entire article reads like it was written by a disappointed Marxist, and needs to go through extensive editing. -User: Nabirius

What does the community think of this description of identity politics?[edit]

— Unsigned, by: / talk
Fox is a shitty source. I take anything from them with a mountain of salt. ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 18:36, 27 October 2018 (UTC)
Notwithstanding the shitty source, including this video in the article distracts from the text in the article. Cosmikdebris (talk) 19:23, 27 October 2018 (UTC)
@Cosmikdebris I understand the ulterior motives, but since that wasn't the question they asked I felt it was best to ignore it and focus on the question they did ask. ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 22:00, 27 October 2018 (UTC)

I feel like this page doesn't mention enough about identity politics as a right-wing snarl word[edit]

I mean, it's all over the place, and it's getting obfuscated into the same near-meaninglessness as "SJWs"