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Talk:Joseph was Imhotep

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If the Great Pyramid is the monument that is both at the edge of and at the center of ..er.. I forget.. and is an embodyment of Biblical Knowledge and prophecy then doesnt it follow that Joseph was the architect ? Hamster (talk) 23:45, 29 January 2010 (UTC) woo woo  :)

Your completely missing the point that it was the aliens that built the pyramids at Giza! Joseph built Djoser's one at Saqqara... or something like that... maybe it was the Illuminati, and wasn't it satanic knowledge? :P --TheEgyptiansig001.png 00:19, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
according to one site www.thepump.org, the Great pyramid is a giant water pump. Thats absolute PROOF of the biblical flood , and what the alien pyramid builders had to do to clean it up Hamster (talk)
D'oh! Why didn't I figure that out before? So obvious... How else did life get back to normal so quickly? After bailing the world out (literally) the aliens told Cleopatra to build a big dam to store it all up in Lake Nasser ready for the end of days. Mystery solved --TheEgyptiansig001.png 00:37, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
I'd never heard of this before. Rather interesting reading! Aboriginal Noise Oh, what a lovely tea party! 17:52, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

The Great Pyramid was intended as a dry-ski-slope - but 'Elf and Safety' decided there was too much sand, so it was turned into a tomb. 82.44.143.26 (talk) 16:40, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

You're all forgetting something important[edit]

Imhotep is invisible. --Kels (talk) 13:54, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

Cover story material[edit]

It has a bronze level cover story tag however there is something not quite right about the title. It reminds me of a Schlafly "Mystery". Acei9 09:16, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

I'm not sure about "cover" as I'd have to say it's not a core topic, but the standard of the article is above bronze. Scarlet A.pngpostate 09:21, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
It's on-mission enough to be cover. I was about to ask what keeps it from silver - David Gerard (talk) 15:46, 20 June 2010 (UTC)
SILVER! - David Gerard (talk) 22:18, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
Yeah, let's go through this rigamarole again. Cover? Tytalk 01:37, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
Why the devil not! ADK...I'll construct your snowflake! 11:16, 2 October 2011 (UTC)

Misinterpretation?[edit]

...are you certain this is the preponderant view? I'd always been taught that the god Imhotep was the vizier Imhotep deified, and I can't find anything to dispute this - if that's the case, it wouldn't make sense for Djoser to pray to him, or if he did, surely it'd be based on a reputation he'd developed during his lifetime. Sake Fueled (talk) 20:30, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

Hrm. Shouldn't this article really state the likelihood that sketchy records of Imhotep, along with sketchy records of the Hyksos, are sources of inspiration for the story of Joseph? Obviously an hypothetical historical Joseph cannot be the same person as the historical Imhotep but when did that sort of thing stop the Isralite leaders-in-Exile from saying anything in substantiation of their territorial claims? More should be here about possibly explanations for the similarities between the two stories than simply about why Joseph cannot be Imhotep as I don't think this is a very widely held opinion. — Unsigned, by: 194.166.114.233 / talk 19:40, 21 June 2015‎

Joseph was Imhotep[edit]

12 siblings[edit]

I don't know who stated that there is no proof at all (outside of the bible) that joseph was one of the 12 tribes of israel. To my knowledge Hitler did not succeed to exterminate all the jews and as such we have living proof that joseph is one of the 12 tribes of israel. Yes boys and girls, the jews do exist. They are the proof that they do exist.

But thats as far as the author(s) of this article come with their investigative skills of "bible bashing". Next your going to say that israel doesn't exist outside of the bible.

In fact i shouldn't correct such blatant error because it is so revealing as to the level of this article and it's authors. It is so revealing as to the level of study they have applied to their claims.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUQMJR2BP1w source.

Facepalm!!!! — Unsigned, by: 87.209.14.186 / talk 10:42, 24 July 2012‎

Yes there are Jews, that doesn't provide archaeological evidence corroborating the number of sibling attributed to a mythological (or if you prefer, historical) figure. In short, none of that has anything to do with anything. Also, just for future reference, YouTube isn't generally accepted as a scholarly source. — Unsigned, by: 184.76.69.33 / talk 00:20, 6 November 2013‎

What are you talking about?![edit]

What the hell! Joseph was not Imhotep. Joseph did not design the first step pyramid; I know that for a fact. — Unsigned, by: ‎192.168.132.4 / talk 03:08, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

Did you read the article? Winter Whisper (talk) 03:10, 21 October 2012 (UTC)
Congrats on not reading BoN.--Revolverman (talk) 03:11, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

Strange sentence[edit]

"Note how is Rhodes two fictional renderings of Imhotep and Zaphanathpaaneah look vaguely similar, in a contracted sort of way, but in the case of historical example doesn't hold up." I don't understand what "is Rhodes" is supposed to mean here.--Кřěĵ (ṫåɬк) 03:31, 31 December 2014 (UTC)

Maybe it's supposed to be "Rhodes's"? Who is Rhodes anyway? 141.134.75.236 (talk) 04:14, 31 December 2014 (UTC)
I'm going to guess - and shoot me down if this is too far fetched - that Rhodes is Betty Rhodes, who is mentioned and quoted further up in the article. SophieWilderModerator 11:13, 31 December 2014 (UTC)

Great Article[edit]

Great, wonderful article on the rational point of view. Except there's one problem. I happen to know Joseph intimately. Here are some facts I can relate:

  • Joseph does exist.
  • Joseph did live in Egypt.
  • He did/does have twelve brothers and one sister.
  • He did act as royal vizier to a Pharaoh. Which one, I can't say for sure.
  • Joseph is definitely a polymath. There is only nation advanced enough where he could flourish, and that was Egypt. Akkadia and Sumer were already in decline.
  • It was a blessing in disguise that he was sold to Potiphar. He could learn Coptis/Egyptian and learn the ways of managing a household, before he could manage a nation.

Aside from that, that's pretty much I can give. Now, was he Imhotep? The only evidence linking the two is the famine stela. Its pretty irrational to say that Joseph didn't exist, given that I'm intimately familiar with him, but it's also irrational to say that Imhotep and Joseph were the same except for the circumstantial evidence.— Unsigned, by: Imhotep6 / talk / contribs 14:37, 21 September 2015‎

[citation needed] --"Paravant" Talk & Contribs 14:38, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

Grabbing Tutt’s rants from the rubbish bin[edit]

The various authors of articles similar to this one have a joint purpose - to disdain and distill anything and everything remotely connecting the ancient Hebrews to biblical Scriptures - paving the way to insert false ideology that insinuates the "Jewish" race into the role of the Hebrews. Where those labelling themselves the "Jews" clash with archeological evidence and biblical Scripture both are dismissed by them as "unreliable" or "unauthenticated". In effect utilizing Wikipedia as a platform to spread outright lies about historical events that are beyond their ability to either verify or dispel has become the focus of a number of "contributors" whose goal is obvious - centuries of lies are rapidly collapsing around the false ideology of "The Jews" narrative they are "The Chosen of God" and the Nation of Israel - and as rapidly as the lies collapse new lies are being created to fill the gap. Recently an article appeared on Wikipedia written by a pseudonym regarding Jewish enslavement in Egypt when it is a fact borne out both by Egyptian archeologists and other historical data the Jewish race has NEVER suffered enslavement either in Egypt or elsewhere. The "narrative" of Jewish enslavement is an outright lie and it is also an outright lie the Jewish race descended from the Hebrews who were indisputably of African origin proven beyond doubt by an abundance of ancient Egyptian artifacts bearing images of Hebrew enslavement. As for the "Nation of Israel" - claims by the Jewish race are also blatant lies - the Nation of Israel is the bloodline of Jacob who was renamed "Israel" by Yahweh on the way to Jerusalem. Whether or not one "believes" the Scriptures is irrelevant however centuries of false claims made by the Jewish race are absolutely in conflict with both the Scriptures and Prophesy including the fact the Jewish race does NOT meet even one criteria set out in the Scriptures or that of biblical prophesy regarding the ancient Hebrews and their descendants. Regardless of whether or not the Jewish "race" chooses to "dismiss" biblical Scripture in conflict with their narrative of lies is also irrelevant - according to Prophesy latter day descendants of the Hebrews "remain a scattered people" that are unaware of their identity and will "remain in the hands of the enemy until the Second Coming". It is also Scripture the descendants of the Hebrews were cursed to suffer a second enslavement "in ships" for disobedience to Yahweh however in the Second Coming Christ will gather the descendants of the Hebrews from the four corners of the Earth and restore them (as priests) to "The Nation of Israel".

The outlandish claims of this article are an insult. Ancient Egyptian artifacts and archeological historical data prevails and prove beyond doubt this article to be baseless lies. Speculation that the 11th son of Jacob - the Hebrew Joseph who biblical Scripture states was sold to traveling traders then sold into slavery in Egypt by his elder brothers jealous of the attention their father paid Joseph can be tied to Imhotep is extraordinarily relevant - and provable. Imhotep much like Joseph rose from obscurity to become a man granted much power in Egypt by then Pharaoh Ramses II. Not one Western archeologist known or unknown has ever uncovered the purpose much less determined or duplicated the design of Egypt's pyramids - an overwhelming abundance of ancient Egyptian artifacts were either deliberately destroyed or stolen by the invading Romans - bloodline of todays' Europeans - in the takeover of Egypt by the Romans led by Alexander the Great. Attempts by some posting to Wiki are a narrative of baseless speculation at best and blatant lies at worst whose purpose is to destroy evidence of Egyptian superiority to Roman culture by casting it as "folklore" out of ignorance and obsessive jealousy. What position are the opinions of those - "supported" or otherwise - that are worthless as dust because they lack knowledge and credibility - including those of obscure Roman and Greek origin purportedly "scholars". The focus of this article - like many recently written to Wiki is obvious - outright lies grasping at straws. The sheer genius of Egyptian engineering remains shrouded in mystery however its existence is indisputable fact because the ancient Egyptians were a magnificent people light years ahead of everyone else on the planet and most especially the ancestors of those attempting to offer empty speculative lies as "proof" their version of "history" is anything more than jealous delusion. Ample evidence exists in ancient Egyptian artifacts - independent of "Roman" and "Greek" validation - and not even the destruction by them of much that was priceless and irreplaceable artifacts changes its historical validity and existence. Egypt remains a marvel civilization even thousands of years later much remains in mystery and shrouded in the supernatural. The ancient Egyptians created Astronomy and mapped the universe over 1000 years before the birth of Galileo who among others is often given credit by Europeans for Egyptian brilliance - Egyptian engineering notwithstanding. How and why is it those with no connection whatsoever - whose "credentials" as both researchers and credible authors are no more verifiable than an anonymous internet "comment" believe themselves persuasive as the evidence documented by archeologists and historians - verifiable historians published by well-known publishers? It appears the author of this article has quoted only that in obscurity and dispute - a laughable "convenience" of modern "journalism". Especially given the fact their opinions are one as among that of sand on the beach - numerous and nondescript - and whose relation to the truth cannot be verified by outright jealous lies or insulting personal speculation - same agenda. The Africans whose creation is the worlds' first written language - Cuneiform - would be horrified at the license taken thousands of years later in the form of utter ignorance and outright jealousy. If the only grasp of Egypt's extraordinary culture is rabid jealous ignorance wouldn't time be better spent "speculating" on ones' own Roman ancestral "achievements" - oops my bad - what Roman "achievements"? The utterly cowardly Roman invasion of Egypt in the reign of Queen Cleopatra was in the name of covetous greed and obsessive jealousy - however the Romans were incapable of "enlightening" what they not capable of understanding or furthering - and like every civilization invaded by the Roman Empire from the 8th century until 1943 Egypt was destroyed however its brilliance will shine forever - even beyond those foolish enough to believe themselves empowered as "authority" though they possess no definitive knowledge or even understanding of ancient Egypt. It is very much plausible and even likely Joseph - son of Jacob ("Israel") - grandson of Abraham whose covenant with Yahweh "The God of the Hebrews" could be the venerable "Imhotep - both for the time period in which both Joseph and Imhotep lived in Egypt and the fact Imhotep was a powerful advisor to the Pharaoh. Imhotep was an extraordinary being - as was Joseph who rose from slave status to become powerful in Egypt. Ramses III gave the seed of Jacob an entire state for their residence - Joseph and his eleven brothers and their wives and households that numbered in the hundreds after they left Canaan because of famine and "Joseph's" invitation to move to Egypt. Joseph - Imhotep was an enormously revered and powerful man in ancient Egypt implicitly after his accurate interpretation of a dream that foretold seven years of Egyptian famine. Why exactly would those whose engineering genius remains unmatched and unreachable by todays' engineers - construct grain silos above ground without an obvious ventilation "system" to prevent the massive quantities of grain stored to feed all Egypt from destruction by moisture in an airless "pyramid" environment? As for Imhotep's "invisibility" - ridiculous hogwash - there are many ancient Egyptian artifacts which survived that bear Imhotep's likeness - documented evidence confirms their existence - both in Africa and India - all clearly prove Imhotep was a living breathing - visible - personage whose history is revered and immortalized and whose facial features are indisputably African.

− —Tutt (talk) 03:18, 6 July 2017 (UTC)TUTTTutt (talk) 03:18, 6 July 2017 (UTC)

Enjoy this particular piece (two separate pieces, actually) of prime ranting, y’all (salvaged from the article page’s rubbish bin). ScepticWombat (talk) 15:04, 25 March 2018 (UTC)