Talk:Satan
Another view of the devil[edit]
Louis Stanley Jast, librarian, was of the opinion that the devil was the first shop owner, with a special line in apples. Anna Livia (talk) 15:12, 2 November 2018 (UTC)
Passing thought[edit]
Among polytheist religions have both gods and goddesses (and various other entities of varying gender(s)), and there is much argument as to whether God is male, female or 'more complex.'
However 'the Devil' in the modern sense is normally seen as male. (Hel, Proserpina and the succubae are different sorts of entities).
Comment? Anna Livia (talk) 00:15, 26 November 2018 (UTC)
The devil in the detail[edit]
Where do 'bad devils' get sent? Anna Livia (talk) 16:59, 4 April 2019 (UTC)
Fun: Tag?[edit]
The tone of this article is pretty dissimilar to the standard fare for this site. Jokes are fine but here they seem at the expense of the stated goal of this site; this article could go a lot more in depth for the claim against the existence of a bogeyman as purported in the Bible, but it really just talks about how if the dude existed, how awesome he would be (a la Paradise Lost). I think that would bring more insight that just pining on about how the Devil Rulez, God Droolz for a whole page. 69.60.33.176 (talk) 16:13, 20 February 2020 (UTC)
- This page is a relic of the site's earlier days. Many of us know this is a problem many pages have, but reworking them is a long process.
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Literary contemplation[edit]
This is unorthodox... and I hope imaginative.
The Devil is the greatest adventurer of all time. He has been everywhere -- from slave cabins to Ol' Massa's house, the trenches to the war rooms, slums and mansions alike. He has spent plenty of time in politics, and has been behind every pogrom, riot, and persecution. When the Nazis were plotting the Holocaust, he was definitely there. He has spent plenty of time in whorehouses and places of worship. He has been in drug deals and mafia rub-outs.
Unlike human adventurers he faces no danger. He is immortal. Can you imagine the potential for a one-man play?Pbrower2a (talk) 15:57, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
Who was BBEG?[edit]
So, you're saying that "Satan is one of God's minions, who does God's orders and whos evil deeds were part of God's plan". In that case - who was the actual BBEG (Big Bad Evil Guy) of Abrahamic Religion? The dark damned one, which doesn't follow God's orders, does harm to mortals even when God actively tries to stop him (because "he" has futuristic war machines so strong, that chariots of iron pale in comparison), likely was not created by God in the first place (e.g. came from another Universe entirely), and resides in his own separate dimension/place ("Hell" of Sattan and "The Other Place" of actual BBEG were later mistakenly conflated). Was "he" mentioned in holy texts, yet forgotten? Was information about "him" erased from all sources, because "even thinking about him strengthens him" or something? --95.167.183.120 (talk) 07:49, 30 June 2025 (UTC)
- There are many types/levels of 'evil' - 'I disagree with it so it is Wronger than Wrong'; doing what is convenient rather than the right thing, little white lies etc (which covers 'most of us'); and 'the usual suspects' (persons, acts, certain types of propaganda of the word etc), etc.
- Humans, for theology to 'work' have to have some measure of freedom to choose (what is the point in sending someone to hell if they were predestined from the moment of the Big Bang to do [acts]?)
- Consider the dualities of the universe - matter/antimatter etc and that some things exist in a continuum (the amount of light present on Mercury and in the Oort Cloud. Perhaps 'the Deity' and 'the Antagonist' are a similar pairing. Anna Livia (talk) 10:52, 30 June 2025 (UTC)
- Yet i still didn't get it, and still confused. If not Satan, then who was the "True BBEG of Abrahamic Religion"? Was it some obscure character mentioned somewhere, or such BBEG "didn't exist"? --95.167.183.120 (talk) 19:41, 30 June 2025 (UTC)
- From what I understand - the Bible evolved over time/is a collection of texts of different ages and origins (plus all the texts that exist alongside the Bible/were not included etc - the Apocrypha etc) so there is no single answer. Thus both the Deity and the anti-Deity are non-constant, and the nature of evil can change. The God of Eden is not omniscient, having to ask people what they are doing, and is keeping them from eating the fruit of the tree of knowledge. The God of the Book of Job has sons (which all that implies) and Satan is just an antagonist with no malicious intent. Anna Livia (talk) 19:58, 30 June 2025 (UTC)
- So, each text requires long, separate explanation of who is protagonist and who is antagonist. In other words - there is no absolute "BBEG", only antagonists of separate texts. --95.167.183.120 (talk) 20:03, 30 June 2025 (UTC)
- I meant: "In other words - there is no absolute BBEG, only antagonists of separate texts?". --95.167.183.120 (talk) 20:41, 30 June 2025 (UTC)
- Or in other words: many episodic or recurring-yet-minor antagonists, but no major BBEGs (further messed up by different texts being written by different peoples, cue inconsistencies and many different interpretations)? --95.167.183.120 (talk) 20:41, 30 June 2025 (UTC)
- So, each text requires long, separate explanation of who is protagonist and who is antagonist. In other words - there is no absolute "BBEG", only antagonists of separate texts. --95.167.183.120 (talk) 20:03, 30 June 2025 (UTC)
- From what I understand - the Bible evolved over time/is a collection of texts of different ages and origins (plus all the texts that exist alongside the Bible/were not included etc - the Apocrypha etc) so there is no single answer. Thus both the Deity and the anti-Deity are non-constant, and the nature of evil can change. The God of Eden is not omniscient, having to ask people what they are doing, and is keeping them from eating the fruit of the tree of knowledge. The God of the Book of Job has sons (which all that implies) and Satan is just an antagonist with no malicious intent. Anna Livia (talk) 19:58, 30 June 2025 (UTC)
- In that case, i want full and comprehensive list of antagonists from Abrahamic Religions, which were not acting on God's orders, weren't created by God and weren't created by humans either. Or in other way: list of characters who could be BBEG's. --Jniawqjinhg (talk) 08:05, 9 July 2025 (UTC)