Talk:Sex assignment at birth

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This article is nonsense garbage. Someone is mad that babies are identified by their biological sex now? Oh please. Chef Moosolini’s Ristorante Italiano^{Make a Reservation} 22:45, 7 March 2023 (UTC)

Well, that's part of the point isn't it? It isn't just their sex which gets assigned, babies are also assigned a gender. That's not a problem for the babies while they are dumb little flesh nuggets, but once the some of those people grow up enough to experience gender dysphoria that gender they got assigned becomes a problem they didn't ask for. SolPyre (talk) 00:03, 8 March 2023 (UTC)

“biological sex” isn’t identified via observation it’s inferred. Appearance of external genitalia is just one of many ways to make that inference and it isn’t always reliable. The American Medical Association currently supports not disclosing sex assigned at birth on public documents due to it’s use for discrimination against trans and intersex individuals. If you actually read a biology textbook you would learn that “biological sex” isn’t defined on the basis of how the genitals appear but rather the size of the gametes the organism produces. Not every child who is born with penis necessarily will go on to produce spermatozoa, and neither will every child born with vulva produce ova. - Only Sort of Dumb (talk) 17:45, 8 March 2023 (UTC)

It is still garbage. Sex is not assigned at birth: it is determined at the moment of conception and depends soley on which chromasomes are present in the male gamete. it is binary: baring some genetic abnormalities. Which are, biologically speaking, defects. This assertion may ofend some more sensitive people but it is schientifically correct. Remember this is rational wiki! ^{— Unsigned, by: 2a00:23c8:1b01:8101:3d57:ad28:3cb4:8776 / talk / contribs}

Nah. :) (Well actually, sort of, but in a lie to children way.) What you are actually describing is called "chromosomal sex". Most of what people describe as "biological sex" is determined by the gonads. These do not develop until the seventh week.[1]

That being said, in almost all babies, chromosomal sex pretty much leads to the designated gonads. In rare cases, however, "disorders of sex development" (DSD) can occur, which may result in intersex individuals. Beyond gonads, there are a number of other biological "triggers" for various "sex-specific characteristics" that arise from the sex-specific chromosones... these also occasionally can go wrong too. It's important to note that these disorders are rare (estimates vary but it seems like <.1% of babies)... but it happens.

Awareness of gender tends to come later in life so I disagree with the Independent article referenced in this (admittedly not very good) RW article that seems to *completely* question assigning a designated sex to a baby based on gonads . The AMA stance (which supports collecting the gonad gender data, but opposes making that information public) IMHO is quite fine in light of the current moral panic on transgender. BobJohnson (talk) 17:58, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

Focus is placed on chromosomes often not for scientific reasons but as a way to thoroughly attack all transgender people (intentionally leaving no room for transsexuals), because chromosomes are one of the least malleable indicators of sex, while others are more malleable or mutable. Though Serano does gesture somewhat at something in the video, about gene expression being changed by hormone replacement (which if you know what a chromosome is, that's going to be relevant to them). "Sex assigned at birth" type language was first proposed to recognize the fact intersex people are often coercively assigned a sex they later disidentify with. This happened to be a framework trans people also found helpful. Chillpilled (talk) 16:37, 1 August 2024 (UTC)