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Ablegamers link[edit]
On December 7 you have a dead link to ablegamers site: http://www.ablegamers.com/ablegamers-news/ablegamers-statements-about-this-weekend
I didn't remove it just in case anyone knew what it was about and might be able to find a new link to the article.
The Shufflegate thing[edit]
- June 22: Zoe Quinn expresses disdain towards a few lines from Paper Mario: Color Splash that she feels are a jab against her. She, and others, construe the "Five Fun Guys" and "Shufflegate" dialog as references to her early harassment at the hands of Gamergate. People across the Internet who have suddenly become experts in American history mansplain to her that it must instead be a reference to Watergate. After hours of being told "well actually", she points out the hypocrisy of her detractors.
- June 23: Nintendo issues a public statement that the entire scene the lines are from are indeed references to the Watergate scandal and not "...a crude reference to an online hate campaign". While this is the first time Gamergate has been called out for what it is by a major video game company, it doesn't excuse the fact that the allegedly unintentional juxtaposition of "five guys" and "-gate" were a problem to begin with, a fact Zoe has to make clear.
I think this part needs a rewrite. I don't think Quinn's accusation to Nintendo is substantial. In the grand scheme of things, Watergate is a much bigger event and came first and also involved five guys. I think she has less standing here. If the GamerGate guys were using this as a means of siding with Nintendo and saying that Nintendo endorses GamerGate, well, screw them. But I don't think this is Nintendo's fault and we'll have to say, "they didn't know better" this time. The language in the quoted passage is too derisive here, though. I feel the article's defense of her isn't really convincing, and this is the one time I disagree with her, strongly. I think she has the right to express herself and react a certain way given all that terrible stuff she has to endure, but I keep feeling it's a knee-jerk reaction just this time. If I missed something or disagree, feel free to respond. --It's-a me, 
LeftyGreenMario! 02:27, 6 March 2018 (UTC)
- Removed the latter bit of Quinn's subsequent attempt to keep the argument going. I know it's like 4 years late, but probably still worth maintaining. "Five guys" and "-gate" scandal frankly far easier references Watergate considering there were 5 burglars arrested for that whole thing (plus it'd fits in much closer to NoA's style of irreverent translation of jokes). -- Techpriest (talk) 17:12, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
- Yeah, thanks for that. And that's what I was getting at, but the article was being way too sarcastic. She's wrong for being angry at Nintendo, the responders might've been acting in bad faith and condescend her, that's that. Hell I disagree with Austin Walker's statement, it's not "negligence" as the specifics of this whole GamerGate thing is like a tiny blip on the radar for the game industry. Twitter goers don't realize that many many many people, such as the localizers of Nintendo of America, pay way less attention to the garbage on Twitter dot com than they think and need to respect this fact. --It's-a me,
LeftyGreenMario! 19:21, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
- Yeah, thanks for that. And that's what I was getting at, but the article was being way too sarcastic. She's wrong for being angry at Nintendo, the responders might've been acting in bad faith and condescend her, that's that. Hell I disagree with Austin Walker's statement, it's not "negligence" as the specifics of this whole GamerGate thing is like a tiny blip on the radar for the game industry. Twitter goers don't realize that many many many people, such as the localizers of Nintendo of America, pay way less attention to the garbage on Twitter dot com than they think and need to respect this fact. --It's-a me,
Sarah Nyberg[edit]
removed the attempts by the gator sock to spread their bile on the talk page if they can't manage the article itself. Gator sock blocked for attempts to use RW as a defamation platform. Mods: YMMV, but we've seen this shit before a whole lot - David Gerard (talk) 22:14, 8 November 2021 (UTC)
- Yeah was perhaps too willing to give the benefit of the doubt on this one. -- Techpriest (talk) 21:11, 9 November 2021 (UTC)
Ian Miles Cheong[edit]
The wiki should probably give Gamergate the point on that one, cuz...yeahhhhhh.165.225.57.70 (talk) 21:46, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
- I'm not sure about "giving the point". The article definitely should mention some of Cheong's positions and why the accusation holds more than no merit, but from what the articles says now, it was largely a mistake. armed_roomba (she/her)What am I doing wrong this time? 22:31, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
Nyberg[edit]
Whatever that nonsense was[edit]
I don't know if this was rightfully ignored or not but I was brought attention to it and it has no further comment. I don't have much patience looking at a ranty blog but some editors are involved from it from a quick skim. A thread earlier about Nyberg seems relevant but not enough for me to remove this discussion all together (which I'm tempted as the claims appear over the top and would be extremely problematic, from a legal defamation standpoint, if we did carry out what the blog wants us to do) @Techpriest is one. Anyone care to summarize this. Hell I'm not even sure if ping still works. --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario! 18:39, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
- Further going into it, looks like a continuation of banned user DVS (talk · contribs · block · rights · rename) trying to defend these heavy allegations with a lot of dirt digging on the Internet. I usually don't like sifting through screencaps and chat logs for these claims. --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario! 18:52, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
- Ping works, but not with signature usernames (like yours; a comment needs to end with an unformatted username for the notification system to work, it's annoying). I just happen to have this page watchlisted. As for the debacle; honestly it's completely overblown. It pertains to this diff (as well as a couple of related edits, but after some back and forth, this is the text that was being warred into the article before David banned DVS). It's honestly not that interesting. It basically rewrites a somewhat incoherent bulletpoint to be incredibly sympathetic to a Gamergators viewpoint. I reverted it because of it's heavy focus on that part (plus a further investigation resulting in me concluding that Nyberg was a teenager when anything of relevance was said, so the claims are bollocks). David banned the editor for defamation while I was asleep and for me that was the end of it until this comment showed up. At first I ignored it because busy with irl means that Rationalwiki comes second, but here's the context. One minor thing I can address is that the information was obtained through hacking, regardless of what gators may say. The format the information was leaked in matches that of a database dump for the forum software ffshrine was using at the time. -- Techpriest (talk) 21:56, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
- I feel even if the logs are dug up through more "legitimate" means, from my experience, trying to sleuth and piece things together almost always leaves out way more important context and is really really easy to be misled and make defamatory remarks. It's often not worth it to follow-through with these serious allegations. --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario! 22:50, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
- I feel even if the logs are dug up through more "legitimate" means, from my experience, trying to sleuth and piece things together almost always leaves out way more important context and is really really easy to be misled and make defamatory remarks. It's often not worth it to follow-through with these serious allegations. --It's-a me,
- Ping works, but not with signature usernames (like yours; a comment needs to end with an unformatted username for the notification system to work, it's annoying). I just happen to have this page watchlisted. As for the debacle; honestly it's completely overblown. It pertains to this diff (as well as a couple of related edits, but after some back and forth, this is the text that was being warred into the article before David banned DVS). It's honestly not that interesting. It basically rewrites a somewhat incoherent bulletpoint to be incredibly sympathetic to a Gamergators viewpoint. I reverted it because of it's heavy focus on that part (plus a further investigation resulting in me concluding that Nyberg was a teenager when anything of relevance was said, so the claims are bollocks). David banned the editor for defamation while I was asleep and for me that was the end of it until this comment showed up. At first I ignored it because busy with irl means that Rationalwiki comes second, but here's the context. One minor thing I can address is that the information was obtained through hacking, regardless of what gators may say. The format the information was leaked in matches that of a database dump for the forum software ffshrine was using at the time. -- Techpriest (talk) 21:56, 17 July 2022 (UTC)