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Theistic evolutionist[edit]

Ref your recent comment in the saloon bar - are you really a theistic evolutionist or was that a joke?--Bob"I thought this was supposed to be "Rational" Wiki?." 12:41, 2 December 2012 (UTC)

No it was not a joke. I am a theistic evolutionist. I am not a Christian or religious, and am agnostic on the identity of God/s. I tend to learn towards pantheism/panentheism though. I reject the idea of a personal, anthropomorphic deity. Forests (talk) 15:02, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
So why does this non-personal, non-anthropomorphic deity of yours interfere in evolution?--Bob"I thought this was supposed to be "Rational" Wiki?." 16:50, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
The philosopher Christian de Quincey has discussed it on his blog, see the third section titled "Intelligent evolution" Link for a quick overview (I don't agree with all his conclusions, but you get the idea). Forests (talk) 19:57, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
Rather than a "read this" post I'd prefer to hear your explanation of why your particular version of a non-personal, non-anthropomorphic deity interferes in evolution.--Bob"I thought this was supposed to be "Rational" Wiki?." 20:44, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
Bob I am in the process at the moment of compiling an actual list of points about theistic evolution, once I have completed it, I will paste it here. Forests (talk) 15:28, 9 December 2012 (UTC)
I'll look forward to seeing it. The idea of theistic evolution which which I most familiar with is the Christian version where God uses evolution to produce mankind. While clearly wrong in the sense that evidence in its favour is entirely lacking, it at least explains why an imaginary Christian God would theoretically want to do it. (Though it's not clear why he would need or want to go such a long way around to achieve his goals.)
But as you seem to be going for a non-personal, non-anthropomorphic deity even this "why" is lacking. Why on earth would such a deity care about making humans? So It would be great to see both the "how" (how much intervention, how often, how can it be identified etc) and the "why" (why does it care? what is it's objective? etc) covered in your post.--Bob"I thought this was supposed to be "Rational" Wiki?." 16:50, 9 December 2012 (UTC)


check your email. Boglin (talk) 02:23, 7 December 2012 (UTC) Phone me between 8:00 am or in the after noon - need to speak to you. Boglin (talk) 02:24, 7 December 2012 (UTC)


It's quite easy. Create a page like User talk:Forests/Archive and copy everything on this page and paste it into the new one. Once you save that you can delete everything on this page (but make sure to keep a link to your archive) and you're done! Sam Tally-ho! 07:24, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

Archive? Already? I hope your not going to archive the "Theistic evolutionist" section you said you were going to answer above!--Bob"I thought this was supposed to be "Rational" Wiki?." 10:35, 12 December 2012 (UTC)


You okay? You left so abruptly, and you didn't say why. Star of David.png Radioactive afikomen Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments. 20:03, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

Yes I have quit this website, not editing articles anymore. Unfortunately someone has been making fake accounts of me on multiple internet blogs and forums and leaving abusive comments so my name is blacklisted. There is now a group of people stalking every edit I make on this site, it all a little bid weird. I am busy anyway and this site took too much of my time up when I have college work to be doing. Forests (talk) 20:06, 27 February 2013 (UTC)
That's unfortunate, to say the least. Regardless of whether you start editing again, I hope things get better for you. Star of David.png Radioactive afikomen Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments. 20:43, 27 February 2013 (UTC)
So your retirement is confined to article pages? Is that right?--Bob"I think you'll find it's more complicated than that." 20:57, 27 February 2013 (UTC)

Please stop.[edit]

Do not delete pages without discussion, especially when doing so creates numerous red links. Inspiration Move me brightly. 02:26, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

I created those articles. They have caused trouble for me. I would like them deleted. Forests (talk) 02:27, 29 March 2013 (UTC)
Too bad that once you saved them here you lost all rights over them.To whit: "By submitting content, you agree to release your contributions under the Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike license, Version 3.0 or any later version." Inspiration Move me brightly. 02:29, 29 March 2013 (UTC)


I am a lawyer, though I am not an American. Perhaps you would like to flick me a copy of some of the correspondence that you have received regarding this Michael Tynn business and I will be able to give some general advice on what your response should be, or if you even need to respond. Email this user will reach me. DamoHi 23:40, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

It is all very confusing. Firstly this is relevant Talk:Mind-Energy_forum/Off_Topic, some guy called MU has been posting abuse as me on multiple websites in an attempt to blacklist my name and get me in trouble. It appears it was him who sent Tymn the rationalwiki article (though Tymn probably could have already known about it before but if he had done it did not seem too bothered by it until now), this guy MU has annoyed Tymn with it and made other abusive comments under my username to him. I have cleared this up in an email to Tymn and know Tymn knows it was not me leaving those comments. I have asked Tymn to do IP checks and they can confirm that the comments were not left by me. I have only recieved one email from Tymn it says that the comments about him being anti-science are attacks against him and that he has mental stress over it. On his blog he has noted the rationalwiki article on his "libel file" and "It is only a matter of time before Forests realizes how expensive defense lawyers are in England." but that was a threat before I spoke to him over email. Over email he did not mention sueing me or anything and said that he would just like the page deleted as he has 40 years background in science and the courtroom and is not anti-science or irrational etc. Forests (talk) 01:56, 30 March 2013 (UTC)
OK that doesn't sound too serious. I have no idea about this fellow or whether the article as written is accurate, but regardless I wouldn't lose any sleep over it. DamoHi 02:57, 30 March 2013 (UTC)

Michael Tymn[edit]

Please stop removing thousands of characters' worth of material because it "has no references." That's not how we roll. Fact-tag the claims you think need references, let the community come up with cites. Inspiration Move me brightly. 22:55, 30 March 2013 (UTC)


Would you please email me copies of the correspondence you've received? Thanks. Nutty Roux100x100 anarchy symbol.svg 00:20, 31 March 2013 (UTC)

Go back and fix your mistake please.[edit]

You cannot unilaterally delete thousands of characters of text from a discussion because you've decided it's off topic. Hive it off into its own section if it's really off topic, but put it back. Did he doubt/Or did he try? 15:58, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

I deleted the text about parapsychology being a pseudoscience, perhaps that section should be merged to the main talk page of the mind energy forum talk page. The off topic talk page seems to be a discussion of MU and his internet activities. Forests (talk) 16:34, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
I don't give a rat's ass what it's about. Don't delete talk page material unless it's obviously vile trolling. for Christ's sake, the thread is sub-titled "Off Topic" in the first palce. Did he doubt/Or did he try? 16:39, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
Also please go back and do a little more rigorous fair use analysis on that holding capacity image you posted last week. You didn't even say where it's from and it doesn't look like it's lower res or smaller than I'd expect to see on the web. Nutty Roux100x100 anarchy symbol.svg 16:15, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
What image are you talking about? Forests (talk) 16:34, 8 April 2013 (UTC)


1. You're not retired, you're actually an active editor making tendentious edits, so please take down the "Retired" template. 2. I archived a whole bunch of text that was mostly you raving about some fucking guy -- check the archives of the talk page of that deleted article if you're looking for it. If the thunder don't get you/Then the lightning will. 12:55, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

Forests is going to NZ for rehab so in effect he is retired. He has sworn on 1June2013 that he would be leaving RationalWiki - OK he's said that ten times before BUT NOW HE MEANS IT - so any post by him after that date are hacked account posts. i hope. eveshi (talk) 19:49, 2 June 2013 (UTC)


No need for three month long blocks on simple vandals, that's what the bin is for. Also, dropping long blocks on users while claiming to be retired is a bit of a bitch move. Faced with mysteries dark and vast/statements just seem vain at last. 18:41, 2 June 2013 (UTC)

It is not a typical vandal. It is MU/ Chung [[1]]. I have been wanting to leave this website for over a month but this user is just going to revert all my edits on the Chung page and or Mind energy page like he has been doing on other troll accounts and for some reason nobody reverts his vandalism except me. Perhaps you could monitor his account because its obvious he will be back. Cheers. Forests (talk) 18:46, 2 June 2013 (UTC)
I have no interest in whatever a Mu or a Chung is, nor do I have any interest in protecting you from your online nemeses when you dragged them here in the first place. Please stop abusing your powers here. Thank you. Faced with mysteries dark and vast/statements just seem vain at last. 18:48, 2 June 2013 (UTC)
It has nothing to do with me or a nemese, it is about the rationalwiki pages. He is vandalizing them and posting dirty sexual comments on them. Surely such behavior should not be allowed on here, otherwise all the articles are going to fall to bits!! Forests (talk) 18:56, 2 June 2013 (UTC)
Not interested. Please re-read the manual. We have a vandal bin for that sort of thing. Big blocks are for exceptionally egregious behaviour, or spambots. Faced with mysteries dark and vast/statements just seem vain at last. 18:58, 2 June 2013 (UTC)
Since Forests is "bored" and "will not be returning to the Wiki" ????, is it within the rules for me to takeover his Internet detectivity of MU/Chung/Open Mind? This is very important work. @Forests. New Zealand rehab is among the best in the world. Prayers out to you! eveshi (talk) 19:16, 2 June 2013 (UTC)

You are Chung/MU. Please stop trolling. Get a hobby. If you stop vandalizing the Chung page then I would happily leave this website right now. Please get a hobby, your obsession with me and the real eveshi is very weird. Forests (talk) 19:22, 2 June 2013 (UTC)

When in new Zealand - are you ever going? - on rehab, ask them about making deals with your imagination. Might want to make that Issue #1, Forests. eveshi (talk) 19:46, 2 June 2013 (UTC)

Sockpuppet of Tyrannis[edit]

That was actually a mistaken assumption on my part, followed by Tyrannis and PowderedSmokeandLeather having a laugh at my expense. Tyrannis is retired and has not shown any signs of returning. PowderedSmokeandLeather is a sockpuppet, but of a longtime user who likes to change handles every now and then, who some know better as P-Foster, TheoryofPractice, and PolarBearintheJungle (or something like that). Furthermore, I don't believe that sockpuppetry on this wiki is explicitly disallowed, except to evade a community block or perhaps to fix a vote.

Now, I understand you've faced some frustrating situation with people impersonating you and sending you legal threats. But try not to let other users suffer for your troubles, please.--"Shut up, Brx." 19:21, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

Brxbrx you are kind but understand that Forests is under medical care and MAY be moving to New Zealand for rehabilitation from a serious drug addiction that has lasted for many, many years. Let us pray for him. I suspect he will continue with new IP addresses when he gets to NZ but we can hope that his psychiatrist and drug counselors will prevent his continued lunacy. eveshi (talk) 19:48, 3 June 2013 (UTC)
See, that's the kind of talk we can do without.--"Shut up, Brx." 20:49, 3 June 2013 (UTC)
We need more "fuck off brx" talk. Acei9 21:59, 3 June 2013 (UTC)
Brxbrx, I know noboby cares but the real Eveshi is this user here [2] I know him and have communicated with him over email a few times. Just check the history of his talkpage. The fake "eveshi" account who just joined rationalwiki is indeed an insane internet predator called Andrew B. Chung/MU and his internet abuse was collected here [3]. He has a long history of pretending to be the real eveshi and myself "forests" over the internet. He has blacklisted our names on countless websites as he logs in and sends sexual abuse and other horrible comments. Both me and the real eveshi are from Europe, I am not sure what the laws are in America about internet abuse. I no longer post as "forests" on the internet so It doesn't really bother me anymore but I believe it is real stupid to let this MU predator for him on here to troll, sooner or later he will tear rationalwiki to pieces. I don't care if I am banned on this website or my account is perm deleted, I would enjoy a perm ban (I have wanted to get off this website for 2 months!!) as long as the talkpages don't keep getting vandalized and lies spread about me like MU keeps doing. Forests (talk) 21:35, 3 June 2013 (UTC)
christ, just leave. Nobody here gives a fuck/. --MikallakiM 22:08, 3 June 2013 (UTC)
Furthermore, I don't believe that sockpuppetry on this wiki is explicitly disallowed, except to evade a community block or perhaps to fix a vote.

What is wrong with you, Brxbrx?! You say shit like this and have the gall to chide Nx for cheating in the election when you did it right along with him. You're not tall enough to ride the horse you just trotted out. Jesus you're a sociopath. Nutty Roux100x100 anarchy symbol.svg 03:03, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

Brxbrx Now you have been the victim, the target of Forests' mental illness. You have succeeded in bringing forth the fact that Forests LIED when he said he was off to New Zealand over five days ago. He refuses to go because he is aware they wait there to help him with this decades long drugs habit. The demons inside Forests want the drugs, want the meth, the crack, the high and the attention he gets here. Pray for him as I shall. eveshi (talk) 04:50, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

No Honour Among Liars[edit]

Forests/Apparition and your other 23 sock puppets, we cannot honur your requests since you LIED when you said you were off to New Zealand for mental/drug rehabilitation and LIED when you said you are retired from RW.— Unsigned, by: Eveshi / talk / contribs