User talk:Kasunex

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I will consider it a minor miracle if I am actually able to tell my side of this story without being once again censored by Plutocow. He has deleted aor filtered every single statement I have made on this subject since I commented on his talk page.

Still, I want to make peace here, so I will try.

I came to this wiki with a lot of hope but a lot of burns from experiences with Wikis. I hoped this wiki would prove itself willing to listen to reason and feedback. That is why I made my critique of the Jefferson page. I went in with full intent of civility.

My very first response? Via OnlySortaDumb

"If the philosopher of Race Charles Mills wasn't dead and above the dealings of a small tongue-in-cheek wiki he would have a field day with a post like this lol. - Only Sort of Dumb (talk) 16:37, 26 November 2022 (UTC)"

Rude and dismissive. I replied thusly:

Mr "Strong proponent of critical thinking" 's response to reasoned and cited critique of the inaccuracies of an article is to just hand-wave it and laugh? Talk about hypocrisy. --Kasunex (talk) 16:43, 26 November 2022 (UTC)

Me and OnlySortaDumb argued for a bit. His tone includes:

Also fuck off with the rape apologia, no model of affirmative consent would include a master fucking his slave. Slave you described as "probably not literate". Yeah there is no inherent power imbalances in that/s. Fuck off. No one needs to cite a historian to call rape, rape. You're disgusting. - Only Sort of Dumb (talk) 17:39, 26 November 2022 (UTC)

As I have said, I was parroting the views of a Harvard Professor,the preminent historian on the matter.

Vee then intervened by adding the Troll Filter. There was no reason to do this. I was not trolling, nobody creates an account and writes an essay like I did as a troll. I don't think Vee actually thought I was trolling, either. I think she was just trying to belittle me.

I initially figured it was Only sorta Dumb who put the troll on, so I put it on him. When I realized it was Vee doing it, I put it on her instead.

Plutocow then intervenes.

The historical consensus is that we don't know enough details to say one way or the other. Yeah, Jefferson could punish her, that doesn't mean he did. You can beat your dog if he disobeys you, this doesn't mean that everyone beats their dog. It's a failing of logic to assume that because he legally could means he did. --Kasunex (talk) 18:40, 26 November 2022 (UTC)

   Ya do realize that having sex with a dog isn't considered, you know, consensual? Ye gods, you are dumb. Plutocow (talk) 18:42, 26 November 2022 (UTC)

This is a clear attempt by Plutocow to Poison the Well, in addition to being distasteful and rude. I try to respond, but Plutocow has now blocked me from editing the page.

Naturally pissed, I go to Plutocow's talk page and tell him off.

Quit huffing that copium. I'm not a troll and you know I'm not a troll. Also, I never said anything about having sex with dogs. The fuck is wrong with you? --Kasunex (talk) 18:47, 26 November 2022 (UTC)

   Yeah, saying that having sex with your slave is okay because some people don't beat their dogs totally doesn't draw attention to the comparison. You don't see the obvious holes in your argument there? Also, hate to tu quoque but you are a hypocrite as you troll collapsed comments opposing you. Plutocow (talk) 18:49, 26 November 2022 (UTC) 

I try to respond, but I am then banned. At this point, I have no idea what to do. I am not aware of the Chicken Coop. I try to discuss with Plutocow on my talk page, but he once again collapses it. I make my first alt IP to try again to comment on Plutocow's talk page, he deletes it and gives me a longer ban.

This is when I start to vandalize. I'm pissed, and trying to bring attention to what is going on. The ban is extended, but considering I didn't think the ban fair in the first place, I don't think much of this.

After a while, I discover the Chicken Coop. I try to plead my case there, but Plutocow both collapses and then begins deleting what I have to say. I am soon blocked off from editing further. I try pinging the mods to plead the case, but again, Plutocow deletes everything I say. Once more, I am left with no option but vandalism. For a while I even tried just pleading my case on the talk pages of the new IPs I created, but again, those were deleted.

Oh, and luigifan also intervened to tell me to kill myself repeatedly. So that was fun.

In summary:

OnlySortaDumb was uncivil, calling me disgusting and a rape apologist. Vee was uncivil, using the troll filter to hide my comments just because she didn't approve of them personally. Plutocow was uncivil, calling me dumb and tastelessly twisting my words, and also abused his powers to delete or collapse everything I had to say on the matter. I also note he lied repeatedly, such as suggesting I was the one who used the troll filter, rather than only using it in retaliation to Vee using it on me. LuigiFan told me to kill myself multiple times.

I don't want to keep this up. I came to this wiki hoping to be a part of the community, but after being treated this way I don't think I can. Still, I want to see the above users face their dues so that they can at least be prevented from their gross misconduct in the future. I feel I have no place on this wiki, but I should be the last person to feel this way for reasons in such clear violation of wiki rules.

@Christopher

You need to sign your comments if you want people to see your pings.

I think you're reading too much into fairly something harmless with the "LuigiFan told me to kill myself" part.

As LeftyGreenMario said when you complained about this on discord, both sides are at fault here. You were perhaps a little uncivil and ended up turning to vandalism, but this was only a response to being treated like a troll and blocked. You never abused your talkpage access, so there was absolutely no reason to revoke it. Your initial comment was perfectly reasonable.

The troll collapse template is a blight on this wiki.

We can be very unwelcoming to new users, although I'll mention you let slip you might not be new.

We're rather unusual in that almost every regular user is given sysop rights. In theory, this is more democratic. In practice, it can lead to this. Realistically, one's going to "face their dues" for this incident alone, but if ever someone is dragged to ATiM due to repeated sysop tool misuse (won't name any names), I can assure you it'll be mentioned.

Things may have been different if you didn't turn to vandalism, you've destroyed any good will with that.

I would personally support unbanning you despite the vandalism, but I understand why you no longer want to contribute. If you did change your mind, it would probably be better for you to start again with a clean slate.

Sorry things turned out this way. Christopher (talk) 16:23, 27 November 2022 (UTC)

Thank you very much for hearing me out.

I didn't see the response on the discord because I left pretty much as soon as I posted the message; I figured that any response would be posted here as well and I didn't want to risk being cyberstalked.

Also, to clarify what I meant, I'm actually in historical academia irl. That's all. I suppose it's ironic that someone as myself would do so but, hey, c'est la vie.

I apologize for my vandalism, and for any headache I've caused you. I promise I will not continue with it.

I also appreciate your support in potentially joining in the future. I will step back for now to let myself and the others involved in this mess breathe, but I may consider coming back when the dust settles. I do think this wiki has potential to be exemplary among them, and I hope to see it happen.

--178.239.165.212 (talk) 16:42, 27 November 2022 (UTC) (aka Kasunex's Swiss IP)

@Luigifan18 That ping full of insults was completely unnecessary. Stop trying to drag me back. I am trying to leave and I get this in my email inbox that you're still insulting me for no reason, still refusing to treat me with civility, still refusing to see the ways in which you and your pals are to blame with the censorship of my opinions when expressed in proper channels and hurtful insults/accusation, adding that you have to tag me in them. You might actually take this opportunity to reflect on why it's important to treat others with civility and to not abuse your mod powers to censor them that they have no way but to vandalize to get their point across. Piss off, grow up, and take some responsibility for yourself rather than resorting to childish insults, strawman and the like. Your pals started this and until you accept it you're begging for it to happen again. --86.107.55.246 (talk) 18:23, 27 November 2022 (UTC)