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(Sysops should be 'mostly useful' (credit to Gooniepunk 2010 for the phrase): yes)
("mostly useful" is a meaningless buzzword that makes me cringe nearly as much as Mei's "useful" meme: last one, honest)
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*::3. I agree that we should have 'objective criteria'.
 
*::3. I agree that we should have 'objective criteria'.
 
*::4. I don't agree that 'mostly harmless' was singlehandedly masterminded by RA. Relaxed standards of sysoping are just a natural product of having crats that aren't told exactly what they can and can't do. -- {{User:Mei II/w}} 19:55, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
 
*::4. I don't agree that 'mostly harmless' was singlehandedly masterminded by RA. Relaxed standards of sysoping are just a natural product of having crats that aren't told exactly what they can and can't do. -- {{User:Mei II/w}} 19:55, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
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*:::5. 'undefined silliness intentionally modeled after a meme' - I don't think 'mostly useful' is intentionally modeled on 'Mei is useful'. If it bothers you, just substitute 'productive' or 'responsible'. -- {{User:Mei II/w}} 20:01, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

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I propose we stop sysoping people on sight. If people support me on this I will later propose that we buy a lot of ice cream and then eat it. -- Mei (talk) 18:24, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

Sysops should be 'mostly useful' (credit to Gooniepunk 2010 for the phrase)

  • -- Mei (talk) 18:24, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
  • ЩєазєюіδWeaselly.jpgMethinks it is a Weasel 18:26, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
  • I agree with this though sysoping shouldn't be considered some sort of "better" level of user, if you follow. Acei9 18:26, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
  • TheoryOfPractice (talk) 18:27, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
  • While sysopping shouldn't be considered some sort of better level, we have, recently, sysopped folks for being "mostly harmless" when they have done nothing of value to this site, either. The Goonie Punk Can't sleep, clowns will eat me! 18:48, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
  • As long as I can keep my mop. — Sincerely, Neveruse / Talk / Block 18:50, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
    • Not bloody likely. I'll have it soon enough. TheoryOfPractice (talk) 19:03, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
      • TOP, my dossier on you is complete. At the time of my choosing, Operation: Tarred Jerboa will launch and the world will know exactly who you are. — Sincerely, Neveruse / Talk / Block 19:08, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
  • Getting a rough idea of what someone is like before sysopping makes sense. Sysops should be the norm, but the norm shouldn't be some nutter who wanders in and gets sysopped before they get a chance to take off their coat. --ConcernedresidentAsk me about your mother 18:51, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
  • Seems to me that a lot of problems have been caused by sysopping people who aren't "mostly harmless." It makes sense to hold off on demoting people until they've done a few edits. Colonel of Squirrels (talk) 19:01, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
  • 19:37, 16 March 2010 (UTC) SusanGContribsTalk
  • Agree. Though, as the debate below shows, we might need a bit more clarity.--BobIt's windy! 19:59, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

What exactly does "mostly useful" mean?

Shouldn't we work out a more concrete definition? Tetronian you're clueless 19:30, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

Sysops should be 'moving organisms with a computer' (what we do now)

  • Not really. But since "useful" is a rather subjective word, I'm afraid I could have never been a sysop. --Earthland (talk) 18:50, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

You should learn to patrol edits instead of promoting everyone to get rid of OMGZ RED EXCLAMATION MARKS!!! Reds under beds small.svg

  • -- Nx / talk 18:30, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
  • SuspectedReplicant retire me 18:35, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
  • -- Nutty Roux100x100 anarchy symbol.svg 19:17, 16 March 2010 (UTC) and BTW I also think we need to define the authority of crats better - a coherent code of authority and conduct for crats would have rendered the Lawyer Jerka' completely unnecessary IMO.

"mostly useful" is a meaningless buzzword that makes me cringe nearly as much as Mei's "useful" meme

  • Nutty Roux100x100 anarchy symbol.svg 19:44, 16 March 2010 (UTC) Sysops are the front line when it comes to protecting the site. They should be demoted on the basis of objective criteria that include having the site's best interests in mind when patrolling RC, not some undefined silliness intentionally modeled after a meme for which I have heretofore silent but near Macrus Ciceronean contempt. Given that the LJ, which I find ill-advised for reasons I'll be happy to share elsewhere, was invented under circumstances like this I object to site policy being decided without all the relevant parameters being nailed down. Either do it right or don't do it at all and leave things the way RA unilaterally made them. What does "mostly useful" mean and can we please get off this "useful" shit already?
    1. You're right - I didn't mean anything specific by 'mostly useful', I just thought it was a quick way of saying 'let's take this more seriously than we have been'. I thought we could discuss the exact criteria (if people do think we need them - this is RW after all and I tend to reflexively assume people won't want hard definitions for policies) afterwards. This was only a general poll to see if people wanted to change things, not a 'decide everything now' kind of thing.
    2. FTR, I don't say 'Mei is useful' any more, but I can't see the harm in other people playing with the meme. -- Mei (talk) 19:53, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
    3. I agree that we should have 'objective criteria'.
    4. I don't agree that 'mostly harmless' was singlehandedly masterminded by RA. Relaxed standards of sysoping are just a natural product of having crats that aren't told exactly what they can and can't do. -- Mei (talk) 19:55, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
    5. 'undefined silliness intentionally modeled after a meme' - I don't think 'mostly useful' is intentionally modeled on 'Mei is useful'. If it bothers you, just substitute 'productive' or 'responsible'. -- Mei (talk) 20:01, 16 March 2010 (UTC)