A little bird tells me that Nx is still being a cunt. Quelle surprise.
If I want to edit this site I'll log in and do it. The extent to which I give a flying fuck about the order of buttons on your WIGO pages can only be measured at the Planck scale. If you have somebody else from the UK who thinks this site is a badly-written heap of shit run by joyless tossers that's only to be expected. Now kindly fuck off and stop taking my name in vain. –SuspectedReplicant retire me 12:44, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
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Your block expires tomorrow at 7pm. Enjoy editing again! Tomorrow is a BIG DAY in block expiration. You, Sinian, XaveviFiwoko, XunadiZiyeho, Jamesnathen, LohaheDikiti, Difang, and NoqixoBiwayi will all be unblocked tomorrow or early the morning after.
If you wish to comment, do it here and someone will copy it over.
I really can't be fucked. Since you've decided that every bit of IP vandalism from a certain range is me, and refused to accept any statement of denial, there's absolutely no point. You and the other pair of joyless dickheads you hang around with have turned this site into something I no longer want to be associated with. Make the block indefinite. I couldn't care less.
Don't be a dick
Fuck off. Go and kill yourself.
Incidentally, anybody taking that comment seriously really needs to lay off the drugs until their perception of reality clears.
Why are you changing Mikalos sig?
He faked a post from RobSmith. Not cool.
The one I've been changing.
So that fact i've been using this Sig since last night means I've been pretending to be him all day? No, I don't think so.
I hadn't noticed. It's not funny, BTW, but whatever.
- Mikalos has been using the sig for days
- Robs sig reads "Nobs"
- Mikalos reads SmithRob
Maybe the two of you should take it upon yourselves to cease breaking the rules. Just sayin'
Everything has been explained to you quite clearly. The voting system was predetermined. Do you really think throwing tantrums will help?
You just don't understand it. Please stop bothering people who do.
This discussion doesn't really belong at the moderation page
So I'm replying here. Hope that's okay with you.
Do you honestly think the de-CPifying campaign and remove-crap-from-funspace forum are made up of people who are actively working to remove fun from RW? Your definition of humor is a bit strange if that's the case. Take a look at Fun:Ten, a great, funny article we ruthlessly murdered. And I'm sorry a sizable amount of us don't see gratuitous Andy Schlafly bashing in random mainspace articles as an integral part of the site.
It's always been difficult to see what RW is supposed to be "about." It sure as hell isn't what the RWF put on the incorporation documents - it's much bigger and messier than that. I don't envision RW as a miniature Wikipedia; nobody does. RW will always have and need its joking, humorous aspects... but we will also always disagree on what's acceptable joking and what's worthwhile humor, because we are more than twenty members large. It shouldn't be news that people disagree on what is funny and what isn't, and on what's objectionable and what isn't.
That's just my opinion on this whole trend thing.
Gonna jump in here, SR. You know I disagree with Blue on many aspects of the "management" of the place, but clearly not the content. RW is not and should not be a joke. It's not and should not be a place for 14 year olds to pick on ONE SPECIFIC SITE. I'm all for keeping the CPspace, but not in main space. People who come here, like my friends from facebook, who i send her for fun, or to laugh at conservatives, or to learn how to argue evo, don't know or care about CP. they care about stuff like "christian fundies taking over', and certainly cp is one part of that. but it's not the entire thing...I would oppose anyone trying to remove CPspace, or the MainSpace articles on Andy. but the one line crap in otherwise good articles isn't nescessary or intersting.
Think bigger. think about who comes, who uses this space, who reads it. Unless you just want it to be petty whining about one single web page that is now so obscure no one even edits it.
As SR, for what it's worth, i'm totally against mods, and the way some people are playing out the anti/pro troll game. but i don't play in that space. I let those who care, fight it out and just basically edit the wiki.
but i edit it not for you, or for ace, or for nx or ADK or for Blue. I edit it for those guests who are trying to learn how to argue something. which is our single biggest strength and draw..
Oh, and about the "fun space" editing. if you cared, you would have read them, and commented. You didn't. I commented on many that i didn't think should be deleted, and as of yesterday none of them had been. (I suspect none of them have been today, either, but i've not looked yet.)
One thing that bugs me, when i listen to anyone whine, is "did you do anything about it", and "do you know what you are talking about". you did not read the articles, or at least some of them, you'd have said "ok, i agree, this is crap". But what you really wanted to do was jump on teh current mess-around-mess and say "me too, me too".
My view is that we ought to have humor, but that (1) humor is no excuse for keeping trash lying around, and (2) we should have a preference for "rational" humor, i.e., directed sarcasm and mockery.
None of your comments really address the problem of what RW is supposed to be about. It was founded as an alternative venue to CP, but now it wants to move away from that, what is it for? It's not as accurate as WP, it's not as funny as CP itself and it's not as satirical as, say, the Onion. Yes, a lot of FunSpace is shit and should be deleted, but the way in which the associated discussions have often called for the total removal of FunSpace speak volumes. Incidentally, I note that this article was somehow missed from the list. It's not particularly funny (and I wrote it so I can say that) but Nx missed it off his list. I wonder why?
WFG suggests I keep in mind those who come to the site. Well every time LArron does some stats, WIGO:CP and WIGO_T:CP win by a country mile. Whether you like it or not, this is a CP-related site and will remain so for the forseeable future.
The simple fact is that RW used to have a sense of humour and it seems to have lost it. Changing Maratrean's user page was funny. Changing his signature was funny. Changing Bricks' signature was funny. Are we talking humour at the Wildean level here? Of course not, but it's still funny. The huge overreaction by some people is what's really disappointing.
If you want people like Maratwat and Bricks then you've got 'em. All the reasons I started contributing here have gone, and I'm only really here for the trolling these days.
For the record, while SR is here for trolling that isn't the case from me. Fuckers like brx et al. hamstring us. You have that little penis telling Nutty he hasn't contributed enough like it fucking matters
Okay, I exaggerated a bit about only being here for the trolling. But Bricks is definitely a penis.
Because the list was generated from the category Mei created
Whatever you say.
Specifically Category:Things you should imagine Mei is pointing at. Don't believe me? Look at the edit comment here.
Changing Maratrean's user page was sorta kinda funny ONCE. It stopped being funny when the edit war started
Nx: please fuck off. I lost interest in anything you might have to say some time ago. AD: please fuck off. Comparing the editing of an adult's user page on a wiki to bullying is not even wrong.
OK, I'll just throw in my two cents about this whole mess here and then I'll shut up again. First, remember what we threw Marcus out for: engaging in nothing but trolling, all the time. For me, that's been the single bright spot in the last few months. You consistently argued and voted for banning him, so I guess you were as fed up with his antics as I was. Do you really want to engage in the same kind of behavior now? Seriously, you're better than this, or at least used to be. You're much funnier than I am, and I've seen you make excellent contributions outside of CP space as well.
Second, and whatever you may think about the appropriateness of trolling, there's no denying that it plainly isn't working. Maratrean is still here, and I've seen nothing that would suggest one more round of trolling would make him leave. But each and every time you vandalize his user page, signature or whatever, you're actually giving him a legitimate grievance to drone on about. It's totally obvious that he simply craves attention and doesn't care whether it's positive or negative. Then the whole crap metastasizes across half a dozen user pages, the coop and even the saloon bar, and the whole wiki gets hung up on drama again. Seeing RC drown in petty bitching for hours on end is enough to turn regulars off, imagine how someone who just discovered the place must feel like.
So please, stop this pointless crusade and just try to ignore the guy. I admit it's not easy; he's apparently one of our most prolific editors now, but that's all the more evidence that he's not about to leave because of the reaction he's receiving. But that's the only way to avoid yet more totally useless drama and collateral damage.
Actually I decided to stop poking Maratwat some time ago. This is more about the humourless tossers who seem to have taken over the site recently. Thanks for the nice comments though.
Those certainly had some childish humor associated with them the first time. When you folks started doing some of it repeatedly, it ceased to be funny.
This is setting aside of course, your assumption that you're the grand arbiter of humor here. I suspect that's why you turn around and call everyone who disagrees with your notion of what's funny "humorless tossers."
Most if not all of us do want to see Maratrean and Brxbrx go. As a matter of fact, I agree with Ace that they "hamstring" us and add little of value to the site. But when you have to reduce yourselves to Brxbrx's level, you start to lose whatever legitimate argument you may have been trying to make.
Not at all. If I was the only person who believed that things were getting less and less funny around here your argument would have merit, but I'm not so it doesn't.
As for doing it repeatedly, it depends exactly what you mean. Obviously the edit warring by me and Ace was necessary to make the point. There was a gap then we did it again. Doing it a third time would have been boring and I certainly had no intention of doing it - even before Nx's policy-breaking extension was added.
Judging from the emails I'm getting, my actions have quite a wide range of support. If that doesn't include you, sorry - and tough.
You sound a lot like MC, to be honest. I'm pretty sure he said something highly similar to "Judging from the emails I'm getting, my actions have quite a wide range of support" when he was defending his trolling.
Your efforts to get rid of Maratrean and Brxbrx are not misguided, but your methods are, in my opinion. I'm not going to defend them, but I'll not join your petty trolling crusade either.
I've just had someone offer me an 18-year old bottle of whiskey. If that's the reward for pettiness, I'll be petty all day long.
I thought policy was that a user's page is their castle and you're not allowed to edit it, much less vandalize it repeatedly. Silly me.
I really do not see where it's funny. Anymore than I see where it's funny to run fingers down the glasses of four-eyed kids in school. Or funny to intentionally leave your girlfriend chase after your car a few steps, as they do in "funny" movies, making her unsure if you are staying or going. Or why it's funny to leave the lid of the salt shaker slightly open at restaurants...
These things aren't funny, they are childish, they are abusive (the damage is very very slight, but the fact that you are targeting to annoy or harrass is still a level of abuse).
To me, funny is a good joke. Funny is Hugh Laurie. Funny is Peanuts.
Sad is trying to act 5 by trolling someone as if it mattered.
Martin Luther King Jr. was a concern troll
Seriously. He was always bringing up complaints about how blacks are mistreated and stuff, and he always ended up causing flame wars and trolling.
You're equating MLK's effort to end discrimination with a twat whining about finding unsuitable images while he's surfing the Internet from work? Fuck - yes, you just did that. You really are a moron.
I'm just saying, not every complaint is concern trolling.
So you're JAQing off? Maratwat was concern trolling, as usual. No question.
So my example was a little extreme. But is it absurd for Maratrean to want to be able to go on RW at work without getting in trouble for a bunch dongs being on his screen?
You do realise the actual point is that Nx's extension has a bug in it - he forgot to deal with the category pages. Nx needs to fix his code. I'm helping Nx by letting him know that. Funny how helping a programmer by letting them know about a bug in their code is "trolling"...
Concern trolling re: NSFW
You are awesome. Can I buy you a drink or something?
You're a splendid chap yourself. I'll have a double Glenfiddich on this round, please. What's your own poison?
I've been heavy into the Knob Creek lately. The Yanks can make a tolerable whisky when they put their minds to it.
I've never had the chance to get a taste of a knob, but I'm hoping Ace can set me up with that.
You're the one who's making this wiki no fun for everyone with your RC spamming attention whoring bullshit. Think about that for a second before you tell Maratrean that he should fuck off because no-one wants him here.
Remember how you got into these spats with Human and Nutty Roux? Now you're no better than they are.
What the fuck are you two talking about???
I can only assume you're talking about that load of accounts whose names have been redacted. I've got many, many better things to do at 2am than sitting in front of a PC creating accounts on a wiki almost nobody reads. Masturbating furiously to pictures of Ace takes time and effort, you know.
Riiiight. I guess it's just a coincidence that someone created an account called "Nx can suck my cock" right after I blocked you for an hour.
I went to bed after telling Maratwat to fuck off. Whatever fantasies you have about my cock are your own business.
lol you're such a dickless coward, Camille. You got a beef with me? Let's have it out if you've got the balls to try making whatever you think your case is. I'll humiliate you yet again and you can further cement your image as an artless troll. It'll be fun. Bitch.
You know I love you too, baby.
So I restored your rights. Maybe--just maybe--you might think about backing off a little on the ED wannabees and the massive tools who make up their own religions. They might not be the best editors, they might be douchebags who bring nothing of value to the wiki, but they're still here and it appears they ain't goin' nowhere. Folks like you are why I waste so much time here, and I'd hate to see the community turn against funny, smart, committed members. And that's what's gonna happen.
I'm honestly not bothered about being a sysop, but thanks anyway.
What? When? Where?
Jeeves did something to LX? Can't find anything on RWW. Was I around at that time?
See the file history here.
Well I can't be a spoilsport about things I don't even know about… Also, Jeeves at least made a nice wordplay.
That seems like an honest (and hilarious) joke. Surely ListenerX isn't upset about that?
He wasn't. UHM is upset about this.
You would have to do much more to upset me. But it was trolling (exchanging the sign of his religion - no matter if made up or not - with the troll picture is trying to piss somebody off) and as I don't like that, I reverted.
I like it!
It's pretty heated, maybe a good time to take a break for a while. I've advised Maratrean of the same thing. Come back and edit some articles or whatever. I appreciate you desysopping yourself... I guess we all let things get out of hand sometimes. I have too, certainly!
Just block that fucking troll's ass and let's have some peace. Immediately concern trolling about a topic closed for concern trolling? FUCK he's a little shit.
I know, I know... believe me! But I guess you already realized that this wasn't the way to handle it. And of course we don't ban people just like that. Don't worry, it'll work out in the end. Just gotta keep your head on straight and hold the line, and whatnot.
...the oldest rivalry in satirical cartoons on RW resumes.
Good luck, Sirrah!
It's on, biyatch!
I brought a team... but I'm a bit surprised you didn't even show up. :-p
 – What are your thoughts on the proposition that the failure of the recent Alternative Vote referendum was partially caused by some voters thinking it did not go far enough?
Reminds me of the Australian republic referendum which faulted because, even the majority wanted a republic, people felt that the model put forward further entrenched the political power of the politicians rather than the voters.
I think it's possible some people voted Nay on that basis, but I believe most people who knew enough about the different voting systems to consider that argument also knew that AV is better than FPTP and voted Yay even though AV wasn't their ideal system.
I am aware of a lot of arguments that AV isn't the best so should have been rejected. Indeed, considering it's objective proof that the No2AV campaign lied its ass off, whether Yes or No would lead to better reform in the future the only debate worth having. As was pointed out here, it's rather silly to put off all reform because the worst that could happen under a Yes vote would be that we're stuck with AV, which is better than FPTP. To vote No rationally, while being in favour of more reform you'd have to prove that a No vote would produce a significantly higher chance of further reform - and that would require government interpreting "I don't want reform" as "actually, I do want reform". Voting No on those grounds would effectively be like women in 1918 saying "fuck your over 30 and married shit, I'll wait for full suffrage". That sort of position is naive as it is stupid.
And of course, with respect to voting reform 1) the head of the No campaign has said the vote has secured FPTP for a generation, and I'm inclined to agree. Reform has been kicked in the teeth not for years but for decades 2) the only party that has pushed for reform is actively punished by the current system, so are unlikely to ever gain the power again to bring it about and 3) the public have effectively said "we don't want voting reform". STV, PR or AV+ is not going to happen, and fuck, I'm young but I'll be impressed if it happens in my lifetime.
I doubt the vast majority of No votes were for that reason, though.
I hope so. One thing I learned was that it's not easy being a Ken. I ran out of pointless changes to make far too quickly.