# Conservapedia talk:What is going on at CP?/Archive81

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##  Cartoons

There you go if you want to add liberal bias to Conservapedia you merely have to do it in cartoon form. - User $\approx$$\pi$For best results always render PNG 00:02, 10 October 2008 (EDT)

That comment is completely stupid. However, perhaps it shows part of Andy's problem. He has conflated bias with deceit. Note that he says cartoons are not biased as they openly and candidly express a viewpoint. Openness and candour have nothing whatever to do with bias.
Also funny: Student 4 (see perfect paper) also stated that the cartoonist displayed bias and was lauded by Andy.-- Antifly Now with 50% less retirement! 00:37, 10 October 2008 (EDT)

## Forrest Gump

I enjoyed the movie, and its not a big deal but I do detect certain conservative themes running through it. Forrest lives according to the straight and narrow, never gets out of line, joins the army, is a devout Christian, has conservative attitudes to sex, alcohol etc and does very well. Jenny OTOH is a hippy who rebels against the system and ends up dying young. Am I out of line in suggesting that there a conservative thread running through the whole movie?DamoHi 00:42, 10 October 2008 (EDT)

But Andy takes issue with the fact that the Conservative guy is retarded. - User $\approx$$\pi$For best results always render PNG 03:40, 10 October 2008 (EDT)
Damo is absolutely correct. And Andy, as usual, misses the point: Forrest succeeds despite the fact he's retarded.
It's a beautiful movie about how being a nice person and staying away from sex and drugs makes your life better no matter where you come from. If anything, Forrest Gump is a "Conservative parable", one that actually makes sense. Etc 04:38, 10 October 2008 (EDT)
I remember that I enjoyed the movie enough to buy it on VHS a long time ago. I'd watch it occasionally. Sometime around college, I realized that it was actually a pretty annoying movie. It used caricatures of secondary characters that played into stereotypes pretty clearly. I have no problem with Forrest succeeding or anything like that. The oversimplification of the peace movement (and most historical elements) reduces a complexity and nuance that would have made the whole thing more enduring. -Lardashe
But one of the character uses the phrase "Jesus H. Christ"! It simply can't be conservative! Seriously, though, I thought the movie was crap, and I still have difficulty believing how great some people think it is. Not because it's conservative, but just because it's annoyingly stupid. DickTurpis 10:53, 10 October 2008 (EDT)
Not because it's ... ??!? Remind me, what's the difference again? Etc 11:43, 10 October 2008 (EDT)

## Just a thought

Ok, I know that Andy's class is a complete crock, but assuming he has at least somewhat decent intentions, has anyone else wondered if he is in any way helping his students with this whole seperate test thing? I mean, he stated goal is to prepare his students for the AP test.... They will not be making any special exceptions for chivalry I don't think that words means what Andy thinks it does or gender differences. How is this the best thing for his kids? SirChuckBGo Naked, Hitler Wore Clothes 01:21, 10 October 2008 (EDT)

It's certainly not the best thing for them - Andy's masking his misogyny behind the whole "no competition" thing. Even if it's not misogyny, then it must create more problems than it solves. The poor kids will have no idea who did better - top of the girls' test, or top of the boys'. I'm more worried that none of them have said a word, apart from Beth and she rolled over quickly enough. I really wonder if these kids' parents know what's going on in Andy's dungeon?
I would have thought that competition is a good thing - inspire students to do better - but Andy (with the incredibly negative world-view of his) sees it leading to boasting. However, I don't think this strictly an Andy thing. We have an independent Xian school near us, and they don't allocate marks to students, but rather use coloured flags or something, to prevent jealousy. --PsyGremlinWhut? 05:42, 10 October 2008 (EDT)
I always thought it was the politically correct public schools that did these things. - User $\approx$$\pi$For best results always render PNG 07:28, 10 October 2008 (EDT)
Lies, liberal lies!! Don't you all know that Liberals are the ones who are are reluctant to quantifying things ... such as bias, open-mindedness ... and grades! This never happened. Godspeed. Etc 08:46, 10 October 2008 (EDT)
speaking of lies. This competition/ no competition nonsense is a clear example of them coming from Andy. In both cases he was lying to make a point he felt like making and to bolster his position. The facts are completely beside the point with Andy. Exasperate me!Sheesh!Not the most impressive contributor here 10:21, 10 October 2008 (EDT)
Actually, I think it does or *did* lead to "boasting" in his class, and I'm guessing specifically one or two girls "bragging" (in his mind) about how much better they did then teh boys. I also tend to suspect (this is not exageration, but based on how andy talks) that he has serious inferiority issues. he is a boy and should therefore be better (he is white, what is a black guy doing running for pres, kind of thing). and it shows in how he treats men and women. When I was on the site, he barely gave me the "time of day" for good OR bad edits. I just didn't rank. but a guy? guys rank. they are better when good, and worse when bad. women are, frankly, invisible. don't challenge that with good grades! resetting the standards lets him keep the idea of being "invisible". You never have to address any comparison, so you can keep your head in the sand about the qualities of women.--En attendant Godot"«Her intense and pure religiousness took the form of her having equal faith in the existence of another world and in the impossibility of comprehending it in terms of earthly life. V.Nabokov» 11:21, 10 October 2008 (EDT)
My hypothesis: if Andy made the same test for both genders, he'd run the risk of the girls doing better than the boys despite the boys' "inherent superior analytical skills." So he makes different tests for the genders, allowing him to give girls high scores that aren't directly comparable to those of the boys. He can thus give exams without fear of empirically pwning his ideology.--Bayes 11:33, 10 October 2008 (EDT)
Spot on! Bayes.   ContribsTalk 11:45, 10 October 2008 (EDT)
Of course Andy has inferiority issues. He is inferior! --Kels 14:31, 10 October 2008 (EDT)

##  Superworms!

Anybody seen this? I think it could be the successor to Lenski's bacteria if word gets spread on CP about it. Johann 04:01, 10 October 2008 (EDT)

You don't seem to have a comment. Have you thought about posting it on CP at Main Page talk, or DeanS' newsgroup they might like it, that is how it all got started. - User $\approx$$\pi$For best results always render PNG 08:55, 10 October 2008 (EDT)
Wow, those are really cool! Maybe we should have an article on them... ħuman 14:55, 10 October 2008 (EDT)

##  Great comedians

Peter Sellers, John Cleese, Tommy Cooper, Steve Coogan, Ricky Gervais, Andy Schlafly

All of these men have the ability to leave me gasping for air. Matt 07:01, 10 October 2008 (EDT)

All he has done is chuck in siteadmin. - User $\approx$$\pi$For best results always render PNG 07:05, 10 October 2008 (EDT)
Yes, he still cannot edit (or otherwise affect) locked pages...the net "gain" MOAR responsibility without MOAR freedom to operate. CЯacke® 11:29, 10 October 2008 (EDT)
I was always partial to The Young Ones. Ace McWickedThe Liquid Room 07:09, 10 October 2008 (EDT)
Haha, "use it sparingly". Fantastic. ArmondikoVtheist 07:13, 10 October 2008 (EDT)
Speaking of which editing is back on early. - User $\approx$$\pi$For best results always render PNG 07:25, 10 October 2008 (EDT)
Come to think of it, why would Massive Attack be going after CP in the first place? --Kels 09:04, 10 October 2008 (EDT)

"Oh, Cliff
Sometimes it must be difficult not to feel as if
You really are a Cliff
When fascists keep trying to push you over it
Are they the lemmings?
Or are you Cliff?. Or are you, Cliff?" Ace McWickedThe Liquid Room 07:27, 10 October 2008 (EDT)

Original list seems to have neglected the Ronnie Corbett/Ronnie Barker team, to say nothing of Rowan Atkinson and Peter Sellers. --Kels 09:02, 10 October 2008 (EDT)

Ladies and gentlemen, the comedy stylings of Ken! --Kels 09:49, 10 October 2008 (EDT)
Kels -the secret of great comedy is timing! ;) Генгисevolving
Nonsense, it's knowing who to steal jokes from. --Kels 14:30, 10 October 2008 (EDT)

Thinking about it for a bit, it strikes me that the "joke" Ken spammed onto PJR's talkpage kinda gives the opposite impression he was hoping for. Apparently the Liberals are moving at a leisurely pace, absolutely unconcerned with the minuscule "threat" posed by Ken's deranged ramblings. In fact, they don't seem to care much at all. --Kels 19:33, 10 October 2008 (EDT)

##  This is old, but ...

I love the way the 90/10 rule forces users to reason like this; What KevinM says here is, basically, "You should be banned for your parody edit but I'll let you continue so I can clean up after you.". Mr. Schlafly, that rule was quite a good idea. Good for us. Etc 10:16, 10 October 2008 (EDT)

Thanks for pointing out KevinM's cat error. Candlewick 10:17, 10 October 2008 (EDT)
Damnit!! It's been there since June, and now it got marked for deletion a minute ago. It's my fault, I'm so sorry. Etc 10:26, 10 October 2008 (EDT)
Wait a second ... who is NathanG a sock of? I'm a bit lost on the cast and crew over there right now. Etc 10:27, 10 October 2008 (EDT)
Kettleticket or whatever he calls himself.   ContribsTalk
I should have guessed. Etc 11:37, 10 October 2008 (EDT)

##  That Ol' Merkin Histry course

Student 32 (aka JoeB) appears to have written more than two sentences for all his Homework Four answers. Can Schlafly manage to read all of it or will he deduct points for not being concise? Генгисevolving 11:10, 10 October 2008 (EDT)

Luckily he doesn't have to. "JoeB" (if that is your real name) has submitted answers to homework 5 instead of homework 4. Such an obvious error shows that JoeB has a closed mind, ignores logic and is against prayer in school. Andy has no choice but to assign a failing grade to punish the evil librul. 94/100.-- Antifly Now with 50% less retirement! 11:16, 10 October 2008 (EDT)
Gaaah! I completely missed that. Генгисevolving 11:21, 10 October 2008 (EDT)
Confusing four with five? Now where could he have picked that up from, I wonder. . . . weaseLOId~ 12:04, 10 October 2008 (EDT)
Whatever, they're rather better than the other's answers. No?   ContribsTalk 11:26, 10 October 2008 (EDT)
Oh my god, real "student" level answers. Not AP level, but at least they are longer than 5 words, and invoke something sparingly called "sentence structure" in them.--En attendant Godot"«Her intense and pure religiousness took the form of her having equal faith in the existence of another world and in the impossibility of comprehending it in terms of earthly life. V.Nabokov» 11:36, 10 October 2008 (EDT)

You know, Biden always has had a reputation for being loquacious. DickTurpis 11:50, 10 October 2008 (EDT)

The American pronunciation of that is "elitist". Pink(Are you an evolutionist?) 12:30, 10 October 2008 (EDT)
Re the title of this thread, the correct spelling is Merkin. weaseLOId~ 12:06, 10 October 2008 (EDT)
I like his answer about Jefferson. I visited Monticello this last weekend, and it wasn't as spectacular as I had been led to believe, but that's because it focused less on his achievements, and more on his sense of architecture and his personal life. I'm curious to see how Andy reacts to such a reasoned response. -Lardashe

This one is good. Look at question 3. Andy's response: "Completely wrong. Nothing to do with the question. 8/10." I suppose answering "goat" to each question would get you 80%...-- Antifly Now with 50% less retirement! 14:48, 10 October 2008 (EDT)

What I don't understand, is how could anyone get a question wrong? All the answers are on CP. I typed in "war of 1812", ctrl+f'd "cause" and found 3 or four fiveteen causes for the war. Candlewick 15:00, 10 October 2008 (EDT)
I thought it was "Murkin". Anyway, re: JoeB's answers, that's the closest I've seen anyone come to really addressing the political conflict in Jefferson's decision (conflict with himself, that is). Such a huge move went against all his political instinct/thoughts, yet was obviously the "right" thing to do. Too bad we forgot to maintain that awesome port city as well as we should have ;) 12/10 for that one! ħuman 15:03, 10 October 2008 (EDT)

Wow. Just...wow. Take a look at Andy's response to answer H3. Even among his responses to the whole thing, and the staggering 98% he gave it, that one stands out. --Kels 15:36, 11 October 2008 (EDT)

That's it. I'm dropping out of my Doctoral program in History. Apparently anyone with a basic level of literacy can make a living as a history teacher now. PFoster 15:44, 11 October 2008 (EDT)
Aren't you giving Andy a lot of credit on the literacy thing? --Kels 16:06, 11 October 2008 (EDT)

## A Question for Mister Schlafly

I ran across this article from World Net Daily which follows the CP party line on Obama (no accomplishment that can't be explained away via affirmative action), but which also includes this bit of info: "In February 1990, after an ideologically charged all-day affair, Obama's fellow editors elected him president from among 19 candidates. As it happened, Obama prevailed only after the HLR's small conservative faction threw him its support." So, does this mean that Andy (presumably part of said conservative faction) voted for Obama to be prez of the law review? Inquiring minds want to know!--WJThomas 13:06, 10 October 2008 (EDT)

That's a lovely little hate speech, isn't it? Worthy of Andy at his best! (If only he could string together that many coherent words at one go)   ContribsTalk 13:27, 10 October 2008 (EDT)

Another question would be, why would Obama show any interest in converting to Christianity if he wasn't muslim in the first place? --Kels 15:30, 10 October 2008 (EDT)

He must have been, um, voodoo or something. Etc 16:42, 10 October 2008 (EDT)

## "Insight"

Look! It's the invisible hand.-- Antifly Now with 50% less retirement! 14:56, 10 October 2008 (EDT)

Nice, CP saved me the trouble of finding a reference to improve our same-sex marriage article! 1,412 pointzes! ħuman 15:08, 10 October 2008 (EDT)
How long until Assfly officially declares that these are the end times? --JeevesMkII 16:30, 10 October 2008 (EDT)
As soon as enough parents say "screw you guys, I'm going home".  talks. --En attendant Godot"«Her intense and pure religiousness took the form of her having equal faith in the existence of another world and in the impossibility of comprehending it in terms of earthly life. V.Nabokov» 16:42, 10 October 2008 (EDT)

## Fair Use

Ok, I know that fair use on CP translates to "I wanna use it, that's fair." But there is no possible way, under any stretched definition of fair use, you can justify using something from the Museum of Fine Arts as fair use. Especially when there's a huge Copyright symbol and a link for licensing the damn image. My Goat, Andy really does think he's above the law doesn't he? I hope someone sues the shit out of him. SirChuckBGo Naked, Hitler Wore Clothes 17:17, 10 October 2008 (EDT)

Hrm. My understanding is that's actually one of the more defensible instances of fair use Conservapedia has perpetrated. It certainly doesn't damage the value of the original, the image is too small to be printed or displayed sensibly. As long as it is only used for the purposes of critique, it's probably OK. --JeevesMkII 17:21, 10 October 2008 (EDT)
So just slapping the picture in "Gallery of Jewish Painting II" counts as critique? That's the thing about Joaquin, he snaffles all these pictures from copyrighted sites, claims them as fair use although no rationale is provided, doesn't even use them in an educational way such as discussing the style, meaning or use of colour, or sticks them on something completely unrelated just to make the page pretty. Генгисevolving 17:53, 10 October 2008 (EDT)
But ... but ... The whole 'pedia is an educational resource & therefore immune from such petty relugations.   ContribsTalk 18:03, 10 October 2008 (EDT)
Yeah, I'd love to see the court that rule Conservapedia an educational resource SirChuckBGo Naked, Hitler Wore Clothes 18:36, 10 October 2008 (EDT)
Awesome painting... but, yah, JM, that's not fair use, it's larceny. Reminds me, though, I haven't been down to the MFA for years... hey, Debster, we should have the first annual RW-New England Convention there! ħuman 21:41, 10 October 2008 (EDT)

##  Improvement != being right!

I've copied the entire quote from the WIGO here - it's just so ... QUOTE:

What time is now from where you edit?
Nothing has changed in our policy since the beginning. We do have more knowledge now than in June of last year, our site has grown enormously, and we could have been mistaken then or even now with respect to your account. To quote Emerson, and please don't be offended by this, "consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds." Improvement results in inconsistencies, for example. The point is to be right and improve, not necessarily consistent.--Aschlafly 16:02, 10 October 2008 (EDT)
END QUOTE

Please someone tell me he's legally mad!   ContribsTalk 17:52, 10 October 2008 (EDT)

At least, he's no great fan of the common law, with all its icky precedents. Next, he'll argue for a living constitution :-) --LArron 00:21, 11 October 2008 (EDT)

##  The trustworthy dictionary

I was just looking at a list of pages Bugler has made and wanted to point out some of my favorites.

• Mentor- Nice Obama snark.
• Yacht- Russians have the big yachts? We cannot have a yacht gap!
• Shanty Town- This one makes me throw up in my mouth a little.
• Gaffe- One part stock Biden snark, two parts crazy. Shake. Garnish with lime.
• Shame- Liberals. Right.
• Tammany Hall- Still applies to the Democrats.

That's all. CorryBaby, you got a stew going. 17:57, 10 October 2008 (EDT)

In fairness to Bugler (wow never dreamed I would say those words) he didn't add the Biden bit to the gaffe one --BoredCPer 18:15, 10 October 2008 (EDT)
The Shanty Town one boggles the mind. --YossieSpring in Fialta 19:36, 10 October 2008 (EDT)

##  Calling Andy's Bluff

It's gotten to be almost a reflex, when Andy states something with confidence, I run over to Google to see what the truth actually is. So when he says, "Search Google on {"Malcolm X" Obama favorite} and you'll find numerous credible confirmations of the statement about Malcolm X being Obama's favorite black leader.", I took a look on Google. And unsurprisingly, every reliable source on the first two pages say it's the autobiography of Malcolm X that Obama liked, and he doesn't in fact say what Andy suggests at all. In fact, the only ones who agree with Andy are anonymous nutcases on message boards, and this nitwit. --Kels 18:18, 10 October 2008 (EDT)

Remember that in Andy's world when Mommy speaks what she says is so free of liberal bias that it is an even better reference then the Bible since we know that has one even if it is the word of Andy's god --BoredCPer 18:37, 10 October 2008 (EDT)

##  Gah!

Fucking Ken is at it again, deleting and recreating pages. What a complete pillock. Генгисevolving 19:57, 10 October 2008 (EDT)

Normally, it's to get rid of embarrassing things in history, like swears in the edit comments, but that's impossible in this case. Probably it's to screw up any WIGO links we've made to either page, although I can't recall having any to the ToE page lately. Hmm...maybe it's to cover up what a mockery he's made of the Student Panel decision? --Kels 20:00, 10 October 2008 (EDT)
He's destroyed Kendoll's spoof in the history of his own page. — Unsigned, by: SusanG / talk / contribs
Good job we've been starting to take screenshots of his embarrassments, eh? --Kels 20:13, 10 October 2008 (EDT)
Sorry 'bout that - It wasn't Kendoll it was Juan King's spoof   ContribsTalk 20:26, 10 October 2008 (EDT)

## Is Andy this ignorant?

Read his response to answer #7 on this homework. Did Andy really not know what John Bull is? Or is he referring to some specific thing about him that I'm not seeing? This is pretty bad for an alleged history teacher. DickTurpis 20:56, 10 October 2008 (EDT)

I really think he'd never heard of it before. As somebody already said recently, it's pretty clear that he's reading up on the history as he goes along (& only from the most basic general texts) & encountering quite a lot of it for the first time. weaseLOId~ 21:02, 10 October 2008 (EDT)
(ec)Fascinating! Superb! Excellent! no wonder he thinks his "ideas" are "insights", if he's this prone to hyperbole.--En attendant Godot"«Her intense and pure religiousness took the form of her having equal faith in the existence of another world and in the impossibility of comprehending it in terms of earthly life. V.Nabokov» 21:05, 10 October 2008 (EDT)
Jesus Christ. A History teacher who's learning about John Bull from a twelve-year old. Why am I bothering to get a PhD, anyways?...in related news, maybe someone can recommend this book I'm reading to Andy Schlafly. It's about triangles.PFoster 21:14, 10 October 2008 (EDT)
What a coincidence, so is this educational site. --Kels 21:31, 10 October 2008 (EDT)
"A cause of the War of 1812 was electing the egghead James Madison, to the presidency." "Interesting insight!" Jesus H....--WJThomas 21:41, 10 October 2008 (EDT)
Are you sure he doesn't have a thing against the Triangle Slave Trade, do to it's nasty associations with all those Gay Triangles?--En attendant Godot"«Her intense and pure religiousness took the form of her having equal faith in the existence of another world and in the impossibility of comprehending it in terms of earthly life. V.Nabokov» 12:56, 11 October 2008 (EDT)
That is just sad. And what's with all these cartoons anyway? Do you think it's his attempt to create DBQ's? --Too tired to log in 21:56, 10 October 2008 (EDT)
Asking them to explain the cartoons are probably his best questions, actually. It would help, of course, if he understood them himself ("That fat guy represents England????? Wow. I guess you do learn something new every day!") DickTurpis
"I like the prosperity that occurred in under the Monroe Administration." For which he was awarded 10 points, or a smidgen under a point per word. I'm surprised he didn't get 6 or 7 points for leaving question number seven blank. --JeevesMkII 22:00, 10 October 2008 (EDT)
The cartoons actually give some insight into how the issues and participants were in the popular press at the time. But full marks to the kid who learns his teechur. Andy's grading seems to be "Superb", "Excellent", "Good" or "Good but...(you got it wrong)". For such short answers surely "correct" is adequate and reserve the superlatives for either getting all of them right or writing something cogently and at length. His shallow praise smacks of liberal grading. He failed as an electrical engineer, he failed as a lawyer and now he's failing as a teacher. Генгисevolving 03:55, 11 October 2008 (EDT)

##  Block reasons

This should probably be WIGOed (but I'm feeling unwitty with the words). Andy has re-edited the list of block reasons again, to remove sensible things like linkspamming, edit war, intimidation & harrassment, leaving it mostly 'liberal swine' type reasons. For some reason it's necessary to block somebody as a "liberal vandal" or "liberal parodist" rather than just a vandal or parodist. weaseLOId~ 21:08, 10 October 2008 (EDT)

But leaves in, "Inappropriate edit to Obama entry". Sighhhhh. Генгисevolving 10:55, 11 October 2008 (EDT)
He *did* say he was trimming down to the most recently used reasons. Of course now it means I have to manually type my most recently used ones... JazzMan 19:09, 11 October 2008 (EDT)

##  Shut the fuck up Ken

A have you seen how leaky the logic in Ken's water tight argument against evolution is?

Another message. Ho hum. weaseLOId~ 21:11, 10 October 2008 (EDT)

Damn you, Weaseloid! Pink(>_<) 21:12, 10 October 2008 (EDT)
Oh, hey, it's "Weaseloid"? And here I've been thinking it was "WeaselOld" this whole time. --Marty 21:28, 10 October 2008 (EDT)insert McCain joke here
LOL. Really? weaseLOId~ 21:35, 10 October 2008 (EDT)
Well I'll be damned! Shall I remove this section in favour of your header? weaseLOId~ 21:17, 10 October 2008 (EDT)
No, yours has comments. Give me a second. Pink(Meep.) 21:19, 10 October 2008 (EDT)
For the record, the traffic increase is actually related to several something awful forums posts and reddit posts, we are getting increased traffic from it was well. These are not flattering links. 72.39.187.24 21:16, 10 October 2008 (EDT)
Very true, a new thread in GBS (the main forum) points to them and us several times.--Tom Moorefiat justitia ruat coelum 21:19, 10 October 2008 (EDT)
See, I translate GBS as Gay Bowel Syndrome. More reasons for Ken to go fuck himself. --JeevesMkII 21:22, 10 October 2008 (EDT)
So it is not as down as of three months ago as it was last week? Not impressed. - User $\approx$$\pi$For best results always render PNG 21:23, 10 October 2008 (EDT)
Thing is, all the Operation Flying Farts, and Operation Grass Stains and all the other Operations he has up his butt sleeve won't ever bring CP up to a fraction of the initial blogburst they got, way back when most of us "old timers" found it in the first place. For all his bragging, he'll never amount to much of anything. --Kels 21:28, 10 October 2008 (EDT)

Ken, here's my serious guess. Operation Flying Fortresses refers to a fleet of homemade flying machines you are building in your attic, and Operation Grassroots will be a carpet bombing mission, targetting local public schools. Am I right? weaseLOId~ 21:29, 10 October 2008 (EDT)

I don't know which is cuter, that Ken thinks he is responsible for CP's traffic, or that he comes up with little names for his sad little "operations" when only he is involved. Do you think he gives himself daily briefings on how well operation flying fuckmonkey is going? I wonder if he has steel boxfiles full of hardcopy on his one man crusade to reveal his idiocy to the entire world. --JeevesMkII 21:30, 10 October 2008 (EDT)

I'm picturing him running off a hard copy for every minute change, and him sitting on the floor, wearing a WWI helmet, surrounded by drafts with only one character different between any of them. --Kels 21:34, 10 October 2008 (EDT)
Oh! Oh! I know what his operations are! Operation Flying fortress is to wait for a small uptick in the alexa graph and then credit it to operation grassroots. Operation grassroots is to go and boast about how well operation flying fortress went on the talk pages of people who despise you. I'm right, aren't I Ken? --JeevesMkII 21:42, 10 October 2008 (EDT)
Ken gets pwned: PFoster 22:33, 10 October 2008 (EDT)

###  Gentleman-at-the-rather-Conservative-website

Have you seen the latest web searches for Ken DeMyer? DeMyer's Laws is now third on Google for a search on Ken DeMyer and second at Google Australia. The days of Ken DeMyer on the internet are numbered. This makes me so happy I want to sing. Expect big things in the future. — Unsigned, by: 3.14159 / talk / contribs

You got me and you're a big meanie face for it. :( — Unsigned, by: Barikada / talk / contribs
Operation Fuck You Ken is under way! Ace McWickedThe Liquid Room 22:40, 10 October 2008 (EDT)
Interesting. . . . I vandalise the page & he locks the vandalised version without reverting. . . . JuanK 22:45, 10 October 2008 (EDT)
Hold everything, RationalWiki is number one on Google NZ search for Ken Demyer! 2009 will be a bad year for KenDemyer! Ace McWickedThe Liquid Room 22:54, 10 October 2008 (EDT)

Gentlemen, your rants are protests are surely the signs of desperation! Can it be that you have finally seen the futility of your atheism and are realizing he turth at last? I feel it is time to announce Operation Skeeball, which should make your site utterly irrelevant forever. Can you guess what Operation Skeeball is? Stay tuned for details! Kendoll 23:10, 10 October 2008 (EDT)

I'm not an atheist, I'm a heathen! --Kels 23:15, 10 October 2008 (EDT)

We are top on Google for Kenneth DeMyer. Eat that one up Ken. - User $\approx$$\pi$For best results always render PNG 23:25, 10 October 2008 (EDT)

If you have to sing, sing along with MC Hawking! --Gulik 03:07, 14 October 2008 (EDT)

### Reddit, something awful

Ken RW gets its spike from links in the comments section, we are linked to by readers of those sites that like us and what we have to say and say "hey you guys should check this out." You get linked to in the article as a "hey look at this crazy shit" so we get 5-10 percent of the traffic, basically the people that read through the 500 comments, you get the blunt of the traffic from people just reading the "point and laugh" article. Your traffic increase is very easily explainable, once again, by an increase in links from the evil "liberal" blogs/forums. Nothing you have done. 72.39.187.24 23:12, 10 October 2008 (EDT)

Ken's working hard to make CP the leading humour site on the net! He intends to defeat atheists, evolutionists and homosexuals by making them laugh themselves to death! Or in the case of bisexuals, half to death. --Kels 23:16, 10 October 2008 (EDT)
I don't know why he thinks someone, who either is laughing at him or already agrees with him already, coming to look at his article once is a good thing. So what? I don't doubt for a second that we have a higher retention rate for our editors and Alexa shows that each individual visitor looks at more pages on our site then Conservapedia on average. - User $\approx$$\pi$For best results always render PNG 23:20, 10 October 2008 (EDT)
Well yes, it is the old problem of how do you define success? The only metric of success that CP has is "page views", every other metric, such as community growth, retention, active participants, outside perception and reputation are all miserable failures by anyones standards. So they cling to the one metric and claim utter complete success. This site is many times more successful than CP because of its large active user base, strong sense of community, high retention rate, and generally positive perception, our page views are nothing to be ashamed of either and we didn't get them from a click bot either :). 72.39.187.24 23:32, 10 October 2008 (EDT)

My gift to Ken, never say I didn't do nothing for ya. This reddit thread gave RW a good chunk of views a few days ago:

The something awful forum I am not sure, we got a HUGE dump of traffic from something off them but the referal link doesn't go back to the thread. I don't feel like chasing it down, but trust me ken there is a giant SAF thread on CP. tmtoulouse 23:40, 10 October 2008 (EDT)

SA thread is here.--Tom Moorefiat justitia ruat coelum 00:24, 11 October 2008 (EDT)
Just an interesting note: they're blocking all links that come from forums.somethingawful.com. Guess Ken isn't so okay with liberals spreading and mocking his stuff after all.--Tom Moorefiat justitia ruat coelum 03:05, 12 October 2008 (EDT)
Internet users respond to Ken DeMyer's latest shout-out

### Now look here Ken

While I appreciate your imagination and stamina (you have provided interesting insights into your personality) you are getting a little boring. I mean, this has been going on for ages. This "Gentleman" bullshit. I mean come on man, do you have a job/life/family? Shouldn't you be concerned with increasing the stats with your joyless and sexless wife? Ace McWickedThe Liquid Room 23:42, 10 October 2008 (EDT)

Since we seem to actually be having a conversation....that is not really true, there are several content articles that are aimed at the audience we seek and are very successful, Poe's Law is one good example, Andrew Schlafly, and Conservapedia are a few others. Our traffic is not bad at all, close to a 100,000 visits a month, 60,000 from unique people, that is not that far off from CP. RW as more than once surpassed CP in terms of daily traffic measured by alexa. Alexa has a lot of problems and is likely to undercount a site like RW where the userbase is more tech savy and less inclined to install annoying tool bars (this site is 60 percent firefox for a good example of that, alexa doesn't have a firefox toolbar!). So we get undercounted, but still keep up with CP.

But again, this isn't an argument about who gets more page views. I give up you win that battle CP gets more (not a lot more, but more). This site however does much better on every other metric of success. Page views are not the be all and end all of the internet. Respect, community, entertainment value, all of these things matter much more and these are things RW has that CP will never have. 72.39.187.24 23:52, 10 October 2008 (EDT)

Well, CP does have "entertainment" value, ya gotta admit. Of course, if CP is "television", we publish the "TV Guide"... PS, fuck off, Ken, you moron. ħuman 00:32, 11 October 2008 (EDT)
What Ken also has a problem realizing is that we are not in competition; we serve different purposes. We are not an encyclopedia which purports to rival Wikipedia, which claims it will have a huge impact on the internet as a whole. We are a forum,a community. Not a huge one, but we don't aim to be the next slashdot or whatever the fuck those sites I never visit are. Ken, is there evidence of anyone anywhere ever using Conservapedia for its purported purpose of being a general purpose encyclopedia (no, Andy's students don't count)? Or do people it treat it like a blog, which is what it is, let's face it. A good indicator of its use would be if there is evidence of schools, institutions, people, etc. telling people not to use it. That's how we knew wikipedia had fully arrived, when it was being used by students all over the country, and an effort was made to rein it in as it was of questionable reliability (oh, and whatever Andy might say, Wikipedia is much more reliable than Conservapedia). If no one is telling people not to use CP, it is because no one is using it.
So we're a small community of people who enjoy interacting with one another and commenting on the world. You claim to be single-handedly defeating atheism as a presence in today's world. Guess which site is succeeding in its purpose? And still your traffic is not so much greater than ours. DickTurpis 00:44, 11 October 2008 (EDT)
Yea, the pissing contest is silly, Ken has never bothered to deal with the fact that people look at CP and his articles as jokes. Higher traffic is a bad thing for them, it means more people are mocking his trash. He is obviously aware of it, but he clings to the "numbers" game cause it is all he has. tmtoulouse 00:50, 11 October 2008 (EDT)

(Unindent) I haven't read any of this, but before I go to bed (and how I have earned it!) I want to point out the social desperation in Ken's CP activity. Every time he has a lame idea or sees a CP uptick on Google Molvania he finds some image, makes a non-funny sentence to go with it, and e-mails it to Andy, PJR, and whoever else. He is always only marginally acknowledged or completely ignored. Ken, go make some friends. Make drinking buddies at a bar. Join a fantasy football league. Do something else, because this cry for human contact will only lead day after day, night after night, to the same place: the fact that you can only look foward to a cold, lonely, miserable bed. And being sexually attracted to a man is not wrong, Ken. You'll breathe easier when you realize that. On to bed now. CorryBaby, you got a stew going. 01:04, 11 October 2008 (EDT)

Interesting article that Flipperpithecus, although I noticed PJR did the hard work of turning from a quot mine into an article still made up mainly of quotes. Not your worst effort Ken but still a D-. - User $\approx$$\pi$For best results always render PNG 01:19, 11 October 2008 (EDT) You of course realise this again shows the strength of established science and notice how creationist were not involved at any point?
What I think is rather funny is the obviously authoritative and absolutely correct source used for one point. I especially like how that source gives so much detail into the context, not only of that quote, but all the others it contains. The comment made by Kendoll on the Talk page is really interesting, too, albeit a tad old. You see, Ken, the reason that 'evolutionists' don't 'talk about this' is because, even according to the CP article, it is a term invented by someone to indicate his doubt that a bone was what someone else thought it was, and it was the principle of scientific scrutiny that ensured that this was never taken as anything other than a momentary lapse by one anthropologist in the wider scientific community. If it were not for creationists jumping on it as 'disproof' of evolution, it would have quickly been reclassified as just another dolphin bone, then forgotten (unless, of course, anyone had a reason to study that particular dolphin rib). Zmidponk 17:26, 11 October 2008 (EDT)

### I would like to point out to Ken

RationalWiki's collective penis. We don't have any insecurities that cause us to worry about pagerank and pageviews. I wonder why Ken does?

That while Poes Law is not a competitive search (what ever he means) I think Andrew Schlafly is. Ace McWickedThe Liquid Room 01:34, 11 October 2008 (EDT)

Ken. First off we are not an encyclopedia we don't want to be at the top of searches for general topics. Second we do not have a small dick we are not so insecure that pagerank is important to us. Finally we own you Google your own name, don't be wuss go for it, you will see we top out your vanity search. - User $\approx$$\pi$For best results always render PNG 07:44, 11 October 2008 (EDT)
While I'm all for the big stone penis, I was quite curious what roll the little lamps play, here in our world of RW. I think I feel more like a lamp, than a penis.--En attendant Godot"«Her intense and pure religiousness took the form of her having equal faith in the existence of another world and in the impossibility of comprehending it in terms of earthly life. V.Nabokov» 12:51, 11 October 2008 (EDT)
RW certainly isn't an encyclopedia. I don't think anyone here has ever said anything about it being about pageviews and rank... I mean, it gets mentioned but it's never been the aim. ArmondikoVtheist 13:01, 11 October 2008 (EDT)
Who moved the picture so it is no longer humourously placed under the title? - User $\approx$$\pi$For best results always render PNG 19:43, 11 October 2008 (EDT)

### This is getting so childish...

Really. I'm undecided as to whether it's worth just forgetting about and ignoring him and his red telephone antics (face it, this conversation is just fueling the fire) or waiting until it gets so silly that Andy has no choice but to kick him in the balls (although if that happens it'll be so worth it.). ArmondikoVtheist 13:01, 11 October 2008 (EDT)

We ignored the one before this he had it up for an hour and after no one bought it he deleted it. It worked well. But when we have his attention it is fun to taunt him. - User $\approx$$\pi$For best results always render PNG 19:46, 11 October 2008 (EDT)

## Where's Ed?

Where is Ed these days. I didn't realize it til now, but he's been gone for over a month. I think this is unprecedented. Is he pulling a RobS? I don't believe he's gone for good, but what is the deal? The original gang of four right now is just Andy. DickTurpis 01:16, 11 October 2008 (EDT)

He is teaching maths, poor kids. Like Andy's homeschool class they are going to be taught crap and half-truths. - User $\approx$$\pi$For best results always render PNG 01:21, 11 October 2008 (EDT)
I don't miss Ed's idiot grin, for one. ħuman 01:26, 11 October 2008 (EDT)
Akin to a senile lizard, as it was said of Ronald Reagan. --YossieSpring in Fialta 04:01, 11 October 2008 (EDT)
While Uncle Ernie's fiddling about (Who?) with his maths classes, and fantasizing about panties and pubescent schoolgirls (I bet he's a real fan of those plaid skirts), you can bet that he'll be back with mass deletions of otherwise worthwhile pages just because he doesn't understand them. Генгисevolving 04:27, 11 October 2008 (EDT)

##  American History Lectures

There appears to be so much lulz in this that I suggest we hive off all entries to a separate area. We can haz Andy's lecture on the main page and post comments and analyse the answers on the talk page. What say you? Генгисevolving 11:08, 11 October 2008 (EDT)

Make it so, Mr Khan! (I did stick one answer somewhere)   ContribsTalk 11:27, 11 October 2008 (EDT)
Sounds good.-- Antifly Now with 50% less retirement! 11:34, 11 October 2008 (EDT)

##  Some naughty person ...

... has just created about 100 new users. can any one screenshot all of 'em? (I only get about 1/2 on my screen)  ContribsTalk 11:52, 11 October 2008 (EDT)

This should be interesting... --SpinyNorman 11:56, 11 October 2008 (EDT)
Your wish is my command...-- Antifly Now with 50% less retirement! 11:57, 11 October 2008 (EDT)
Another as seen in the java via firefox. CЯacke® 12:00, 11 October 2008 (EDT)
Block of offending IP that made the accounts, though this doesn't guarantee the accounts themselves don't get used. CЯacke® 12:04, 11 October 2008 (EDT)
What's the firefox gizmo that lets you screencap the whole page visible or not? I had it when I was on Windoze, but can't find it now (on linux)   ContribsTalk 12:10, 11 October 2008 (EDT)
I think you hold down "ctrl" while shifting "Print Screen". PS, both those images linked above could use some serious cropping... ħuman 15:25, 11 October 2008 (EDT)
AND ... they're all getting blocked in a surprising cooperation between Andy and Brianco.   ContribsTalk 12:12, 11 October 2008 (EDT)
Andy thinks the registrations are fake. Duuuhh! Speakerface with 4 M's and a silent Q 12:19, 11 October 2008 (EDT)
No shit, Andy... Really? ArmondikoVtheist 12:47, 11 October 2008 (EDT)
Just a little note, the password for the accounts is 'password'. I think 90 % of trolls use asdf, qwerty, passwd, deathtoamerica or password --NOOCT 13:36, 11 October 2008 (EDT)
Inasmuchas they've all been 5 year blocked, it's rather academic.   ContribsTalk 13:43, 11 October 2008 (EDT)

Here we go again! --Kels 14:02, 11 October 2008 (EDT)

Whoever's doing this needs to register names like "BobA" through "BobZ," and "JenniferA" through "JenniferZ" to deplete the real-name-and-last-initial pool. PFoster 14:03, 11 October 2008 (EDT)
This is priceless:
14:12, 11 October 2008 Karajou (Talk | contribs) blocked 93.106.0.0/16 (Talk) with an expiry time of infinite (anonymous users only, account creation disabled) ‎ (Abusing multiple accounts: Finnish proxy IP)
Those damn Finlanders. So much for loving Conservapedia. --SpinyNorman 14:23, 11 October 2008 (EDT)
Message to the Gentleman at a rather conservative website. See? You go around bragging only to be exposed as a moron yet again. Word to the wise. Shut up. You can only look better that way.PFoster 14:29, 11 October 2008 (EDT)

I'd say that it's brilliant how they're taking sysops away from constructive work, but, well, Karajou. --Kels 14:28, 11 October 2008 (EDT)

Dang, BrianCo is fast! I'm not the mastermind behind Operation Llamas and Doorstops, but I'm glad someone's doing it. :) PFoster, I suspect* that the perpetrator is using a computer-readable list of long names so as to guarantee uniqueness. BobA through BobWhatever are already taken, so it would just be wasting precious seconds to try and register them, and make the script more complicated. I do wonder where the list of names came from, though; it's not any source visible to Google. My guess is it's a list of first names randomly matched with a list of last names. --Marty 14:33, 11 October 2008 (EDT)

##  Shout-Out to Hsmom

Hey, if you're looking for plagiarism, just go through the entire output of Joaquín. Karajou's edit history has some good stuff too. --Kels 12:47, 11 October 2008 (EDT)

She's been charging around de-plagiarising for about a week now - Kajagoogoo's been targeted already (& has generally agreed with her} but Joaquim's a horse of a different coloured kettle of fish!   ContribsTalk 13:23, 11 October 2008 (EDT)
I think the Koward's been a bit prickly, but not as bad as I expected. But then, I doubt he cares much about his plagiarized stuff outside the naval articles, they were just for contest marks. Once the contest was over, then let 'em rot! JM is a bit more protective of his plagiarized articles and stolen images, though. I loved his solution to the "abortion facts" one, which was just to toss quotes around the whole mess. --Kels 13:29, 11 October 2008 (EDT)
I quite liked her little "explanation" though - thought it got the message across so that even JM could understand it, although he'll probably stamp around a bit.   ContribsTalk 13:37, 11 October 2008 (EDT)
My prediction is that if she goes after his images, he'll take off in a huff again, leaving Andy to admonish her for driving off such a valued contributor. Wait and see, I guess. --Kels 13:54, 11 October 2008 (EDT)
Her justification for removing the plagiarism is actually pretty good. Although CP is "legally" correct in its use of PD government sources, ethically she is spot on. Of course JM's snaffling is in a completely different league. It's amusing that she has stumbled upons SharonS's and Andy's copy/paste fest from the competitions, will she follow the spoor of the contributors rather than the source of their contribs? Генгисevolving 15:08, 11 October 2008 (EDT)
Ooh, that's an angle I hadn't considered. What happens once Andy notices she's removed something that he copypasta'd for one of the competitions? I'd expect some backlash for "removing valuable content" or something. --Kels 15:34, 11 October 2008 (EDT)
It's about time somebody did something over there, so full marks to her, for what is going to be (literally) a thankless job. Call me ignorant, but how's she going about it? Googling sentences to see if there's a match? I agree with Kels - she's going to touch somebody's little gem (oh, Hsmom while your at it - have a look at all The Chipsters "contributions" to the "dictionary". But as that's DenSe's little project, make him fix it) and will be slapped down for "liberal vandalism". Can't wait to see her call Brother Leader on his copy/paste fest. --PsyGremlinWhut? 16:23, 11 October 2008 (EDT)
FWIW, I don't think it's rocket science. It's pretty easy to find plagiarism over there. Click on "Random Article". Read the article. Is it well-written? Does it include interesting sentence structure? Any nicely-turned phrases? Then it's probably plagiarized. Pick a nice sentence, Google it, and you'll find the source. --Too tired to log in 17:45, 11 October 2008 (EDT)
Ha- the first one I did this for I didn't even have to Google- the whole thing's another verbatim copy from its reference. Kalliumtalk 21:09, 11 October 2008 (EDT)
Seriously, I've got to give Hsmom a lot of respect for her conduct over there. In most regards, it's like wading into a cesspool, and it's clear that none of the sysops really give a fig for copyright, intellectual honesty or making a good homeschool reference, and Hsmom stands up for all of those. That said, I think she's trying to hold back the tide, and sooner or later she's going to get her efforts reversed. It's how CP works, and if it were possible I'd simply recommend she give that rotten lot a miss and start her own wiki that embodies what she sees as important to homeschoolers. --Kels 16:46, 11 October 2008 (EDT)
It takes a real mom to clean out the shit and put a house in order (Hope that's not too sexist.) Генгисevolving 17:01, 11 October 2008 (EDT)

(unindent) speaking for myself, I don't think that's sexist, I think it's rather profound. As Jeff Foxworthy said, "Mom's spit is the same chemical composition as formula 409. Mom spit on a kleenex, you can get rust off a car bumper with that thing." SirChuckBGo Naked, Hitler Wore Clothes 17:36, 11 October 2008 (EDT)

All she has to do is read the "chivalry" article and she'll say "this is enough". They are so sexist, you cannot be a self respecting woman and not call them on the trite deutritas. but once you do... it's bam ham time for you. (women, don't you know, want FLATTERY - cause we can't handle the truth, i guess--En attendant Godot"«Her intense and pure religiousness took the form of her having equal faith in the existence of another world and in the impossibility of comprehending it in terms of earthly life. V.Nabokov» 18:44, 11 October 2008 (EDT).
Trouble with CP is, once you take away the plagiarism you've effectively killed 90% of the actual articles, and you're just left with "Liberal Cookery" and "Why the Bible is the Bestest Except for the Bits We Don't Like, They Don't Count". --Kels 19:38, 11 October 2008 (EDT)

I am enjoying this so much, she has exposed CP's dirty little secret. As much as they go on about liberal deceit, and Andy's classic that public schools don't teach that plagiarism is immoral even though they teach that it is wrong, their entire encyclopedia is built on deceitful plagiarism. Their is nothing they can do other than let her tear it apart or be hypocrites and stop her. - User $\approx$$\pi$For best results always render PNG 19:55, 11 October 2008 (EDT)

And we all know how they hate to look like hypocrites. XD --Kels 19:58, 11 October 2008 (EDT)
Do they realise how weak their argument looks? The first question no is what are the 10 arguments for, why haven't you presented them as well if you are unbiased? - User $\approx$$\pi$For best results always render PNG 20:10, 11 October 2008 (EDT)
JM's standing up for the right to rip off now!   ContribsTalk 20:11, 11 October 2008 (EDT)
 “”Plagiarism‏ From: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Sun 10/12/08 12:34 AM To: womensissues.guide@about.com Don't know if it bothers you , but your article: Ten Arguments For Abortion and Against Abortion; has been selectively plagiarised by Conservapedia. (http://www.conservapedia.com/Abortion_Facts#Ten_Arguments_Against_Abortion). If you're not familiar with this "educational" website, please browse around and check if it's the sort of place where you want your words to appear. Regards Susan —email sent to Linda Lowen (author)

ContribsTalk 20:45, 11 October 2008 (EDT)

as the author has links to: "National Hotline Numbers For Domestic Abuse & Rape", I can't see her being a Phyllis Schlafly Senior fan.   ContribsTalk 20:58, 11 October 2008 (EDT)
Oh, very nicely done. You go girl! --Too tired to log in 23:06, 11 October 2008 (EDT)
"Isn't that the goal?" Not for Joaquin. --Kels 23:16, 11 October 2008 (EDT)
I'm guessing Andy doesn't know that...-- Antifly Now with 50% less retirement! 23:44, 11 October 2008 (EDT)

Fucking Joaquin.--Tom Moorefiat justitia ruat coelum 22:09, 11 October 2008 (EDT)

Sigh, that's our Andy. Taking the "intellectual" out of "Intellectual Property". --Kels 23:57, 11 October 2008 (EDT)

Did Andy just say that not objecting is tantamount to consenting? Wow, he really /is/ Phyllis' demonspawn... 199.126.151.16 02:13, 12 October 2008 (EDT)
Not surprising. I've seen that stated explicitly by PJR in another context- NateE: "...there is still the mistaken conclusion that Evolution says that anything being "killed off" by another entity is ok. Evolution simply states that organisms that cannot adapt quickly to new environments will be killed off. That doesn't mean it's ok, nor does it mean it's bad. Evolution, for the most part, doesn't care." PJR: "If evolution "doesn't care", then it must be okay!" (Reynard then makes a great point: by that reasoning, the concept of gravity consents to murder because it doesn't specify that it's morally wrong to throw someone over a cliff.) So yes, that attitude does crop up on CP. Kalliumtalk 03:50, 12 October 2008 (EDT)
Way to go, Philip! (Sorry, I don't usually use inane Americanisms). Генгисevolving 04:59, 12 October 2008 (EDT)

##  McCain on Obama

So, is CP gonna change that "alleged" line after Grampy McEyetwitch calls him "a citizen"? --Kels 16:13, 11 October 2008 (EDT)

Consider Andy hated John McCain until he was the only real option, and after the election, he'll be on the most hated list again, I seriously doubt that he'll listen to the distinguished senator from Arizona. SirChuckBGo Naked, Hitler Wore Clothes 17:37, 11 October 2008 (EDT)
Even Karajou changed his stance in favor of removing the "alleged" birth, but he (of course) did nothing but shit without flushing, and the alleged stayed there. Basically, he said he disagreed to the powers that be, but has no balls to challenge them. NorsemanWassail! 18:33, 11 October 2008 (EDT)
I may have accidentally edited it. Surely Obama was "born", not "allegedly born"? ħuman 23:19, 11 October 2008 (EDT)
AMERICA CANNOT TAKE A CHANCE ON A ROBOT PRESIDENT! --Kels 23:38, 11 October 2008 (EDT)
They said that about MacDuff as well. Pseudomonas 05:49, 12 October 2008 (EDT)

##  This makes me sad

The fact that this got posted to the Abuse page almost a month ago and not a single sysop or longtime user has done so much as to respond to it. That alone speaks volumes about Andy and all his "good Germans", most of whom are solely there to push their opinions or power trip. Even the occasionally-sane PJR doesn't seem to want to jeopardize his chance to push YEC nonsense by responding. It's one of the saddest things I've seen over there in a long time, and that's among a lot of sad stuff. --Kels 19:47, 11 October 2008 (EDT)

Not surprising that a month later he's blocked permanently, this time by Karajou for "inserting false information" and "intellectual dishonesty". Ironically, he was actually posting true information in exposing someone else's academic dishonesty- in this case RSchlafly for citing his own blog! Kalliumtalk 20:59, 11 October 2008 (EDT)
I think the abuse page generally gets ignored in general, unless the offender follows the complainee over there. Geo was sort of de facto in charge of that page, but like someone mentioned a couple days ago, issues of policy are really not well excecuted. I bet if you asked all the sysops the proper procedure for that page no three would give you the same answer. (Philip would be closest to the right answer, if one actually exists.)
In a post like that, there's nothing anyone can do anyway, but say "you're right" (to which Andy replies "nuh uh" and nothing happens) or say "you're wrong" (which gets you blocked, then nothing happens) or do nothing (then... nothing happens). JazzMan

##  What. The. Fuck.

I used to think Andy was just a hardcore ideologue, but it's slowly dawning on me that he's actually unhinged. Seriously unhinged. He can't even admit to himself that if he were to be elected, Obama would be the first black president. He's in serious denial of reality here. He can't admit that it is at best a serious conflict of interest for Palin to be involved in firing her sister's ex-husband. Plus the whole Obama is a Muslim thing, who does he think he's fooling? Seriously, what is his major malfunction? --JeevesMkII 22:23, 11 October 2008 (EDT)

QUOTE: "... he's actually unhinged. Seriously unhinged"   ContribsTalk 22:28, 11 October 2008 (EDT)
As I say to my political friends: "there are actually people out there who think Obama is a freakin' Muslim (not that it would matter if he was, but how stupid are you?)" Yup, they are some strange, crazy yoips out there. And Andy is their vanguard. Leather shields: Up! ħuman 23:22, 11 October 2008 (EDT)
Unhinged? The guy is a fucking lunatic. EVERYTHING is political in Andys world. "That movie has liberal bias", "The dictionary has liberal bias", "You're Liberal arent you?", "I am not going to stop because the liberal stop sign tells me too". He is a freak. Ace McWickedThe Liquid Room 23:30, 11 October 2008 (EDT)
Don't forget that the bible has been sullied by liberal bias and needs to be completly rewritten. SirChuckBGo Naked, Hitler Wore Clothes 01:08, 12 October 2008 (EDT)
Actually, if one goes by the old "one drop" standard, than we may have already had a black president. Apparently Warren Harding was thought to have had a black great-great-grand-parent. (He denied it.) Researcher 18:54, 12 October 2008 (EDT)
I really like that the whole adultress parable was inserted into the bible by secret liberals.Willis 09:17, 14 October 2008 (EDT)
The adultress parable is interesting because most textual criticism scholars believe that it was not in the original text. The idea that liberals inserted it to try and get rid of the death penalty is Andy's personal touch. CorryBaby, you got a stew going. 12:28, 14 October 2008 (EDT)
Well, it's in there NOW, so God must've liked it, right? What with the Bible being the unerrant word of God and all. --Gulik 13:11, 14 October 2008 (EDT)
Whether or not the adulteress-liberulz-stuff is true or not, as soon as you start discussing it you acknowledge that the Bible has changed - so whether or not the Bible originally was the inerrant word of God, it isn't anymore.
Well, why am I telling you guys this, I should be hammering into into Andy's head instead. Etc 09:24, 15 October 2008 (EDT)

##  What. The. Fuck. (Part II)

Is weirdness all about? We get a mention, at least...PFoster 23:24, 11 October 2008 (EDT)

Oh Conservative's sandboxes. My all time favorite was Conservative/douche and it had something like "fghjkl" in it and the deletion log said the only contributor was him. He does some strange things form time to time, actually all the time. - User $\approx$$\pi$For best results always render PNG 23:29, 11 October 2008 (EDT)

EC) Saw that, I suspect it's his attempt to appear all covert & clever with codes & cyphers and such. To avoid us Ratwikians working out what's going on. - couldn't he just save his sillyness offline instead?   ContribsTalk 23:31, 11 October 2008 (EDT)
EC) --Hubble 23:33, 11 October 2008 (EDT)
Really sneaky. This is how it started...-- Antifly Now with 50% less retirement! 23:34, 11 October 2008 (EDT)
At least he puts his first dumb thought that pops into his head in his sandboxes rather than in an essay like Andy. - User $\approx$$\pi$For best results always render PNG 23:35, 11 October 2008 (EDT)
There actual a few older than that like this one. - User $\approx$$\pi$For best results always render PNG 23:39, 11 October 2008 (EDT)
There's anal sex at RW? Must have missed that in Recent Changes! --Kels 23:44, 11 October 2008 (EDT)
Apparently, yes, since the link is a pretty bluish color. ħuman 00:21, 12 October 2008 (EDT)
MMMMMMMM sex. Ace McWickedThe Liquid Room 23:51, 11 October 2008 (EDT)
ANAL, at that. It must be Saturday night.PFoster 23:52, 11 October 2008 (EDT)
Really sneaky. --Hubble 23:56, 11 October 2008 (EDT)
He's obviously the leader of a terrorist gang, communicating with his minions with a super secret cypher.   ContribsTalk 00:06, 12 October 2008 (EDT)
There actual a few older than that like --Hubble 00:07, 12 October 2008 (EDT)
Are you okay there Hubble? This is where we have a conversation it is where people express ideas to one another. - User $\approx$$\pi$For best results always render PNG 00:13, 12 October 2008 (EDT)

(unindent)Looks like he appears to be doing the ALT + #### (ex. ▒ ¯ º) code for flashy symbols, and records (?) them down for future reference. No idea why he shows everyone how to bypass the CENSORSHIP filter there. that's my guess NorsemanWassail! 00:28, 12 October 2008 (EDT)

Because he is an idiot. - User $\approx$$\pi$For best results always render PNG 00:30, 12 October 2008 (EDT)
Is --Hubble 00:34, 12 October 2008 (EDT)
M ħuman 01:13, 12 October 2008 (EDT)

##  Favour please!

I'm shamelessly going to pop this in here,'cos I know everybody read here at some point. Just finished draft of my magnum opium to compliment Jeeve's work on Evolution - User:Psygremlin/Ken Atheism and Google and would like those with a better knowledge than myself to maybe have a look, make suggestions, add comments, throw rotten tomatoes, etc. --PsyGremlinWhut? 04:38, 12 October 2008 (EDT)

Aha! You see Gentlemen, those three pro sites are the first cracks in atheism on the internets! And that's less than the real internets impact since the liberal internets searcher Google tries to hide all the searches results that do not fit its Google internets search results anti-religiosity internets agenda!
But seriously, nice work. Even if I don't have complaints, can I throw rotten tomatoes anyway just for the fun of it? Kalliumtalk 05:02, 12 October 2008 (EDT)
I visited a small village supermarket a couple of days ago and there was a notice saying that they didn't sell eggs or flour to schoolchldren. What could that have been all about? Генгисevolving 06:07, 12 October 2008 (EDT)
Aha --Hubble 07:18, 12 October 2008 (EDT)

##  Classic Ken

This is such a classic Ken statement. I'll lie and then spam one of my pet articles, whilst not answering a very valid question. --PsyGremlinWhut? 13:42, 12 October 2008 (EDT)

Oh noes, he's buggering the English language, again:
 “”However, with that being said, no doubt there are differences in opinion among atheistic schools of thought as crooked sticks can deviate in various ways from straight sticks. However, after all is said and done they are all still crooked. However, with that being said, perhaps a very brief section on atheistic schools of thought with significant completed articles they attach to would not be a bad thing (although there are two articles called weak and strong atheism).
I can't stand it!  Lily Ta, wack! 14:26, 12 October 2008 (EDT)
I can't read it. My eyes go cross-eyed at the third "However". --Arcan ¡ollǝɥ 14:36, 12 October 2008 (EDT)
So you'll have missed the "saids" then?  Lily Ta, wack! 14:38, 12 October 2008 (EDT)
As I said elsewhere, the picture thing is an outright lie by Ken. He's a regular reader here, and we talk about his lack of image attribution frequently, so there's no way he could have missed it. If he's seriously saying he hasn't looked at his own wiki's policies, then he's just admitted his incompetence and lack of caring about the rest of the wiki. Way to go, Ken! --Kels 14:34, 12 October 2008 (EDT)
Yaaaaaawwwwwwwwnnnnnnnnn.  Lily Ta, wack! 14:35, 12 October 2008 (EDT)

I think Ken should Photoshop Hitler's head onto Stalin's body, and maybe have him holding a copy of the Little Red Book, and put it on the front page. That'll show those athevolotiosexuals! --Kels 14:47, 12 October 2008 (EDT)

(ec)It's amusing how he NEVER identifies these websites before the event - then when his spamming has some effect anywhere, he can claim that's what he was talking about.   ContribsTalk 14:50, 12 October 2008 (EDT)
It's invariably disappointing, though. Like this one, it's supposedly a group associated with a bunch of influential churches, I'm betting if it ever gets referred to again, it'll only be some umbrella organization of two or three local churches somewhere in Arkansas or something. Although my bet is him never making a follow-up announcement and just coming out with a new "Coming soon" thing about some new group he wants to get on the linkpage of. --Kels 14:56, 12 October 2008 (EDT)
No visual metaphor is too stupid in Ken's ongoing pictorial struggle against teh atheism. weaseLOId~ 15:27, 12 October 2008 (EDT)

I see Kenny-boy's on his linkswapping crusade again. He's been editing an article on a noname blog: cp:Richard Dawkins : Scientist or Activist?. If you go to said blog and look at his recommended websites, we can see he lived up to his end of the bargain by linking to Ken's pet projects. I'm sure the cross promotion of their respective unread writings has enormously increased traffic for both parties. DickTurpis 15:38, 12 October 2008 (EDT)

Ah yes, he got that from one of Mariano's worthless blogs. He persuaded Mariano to mass post links to his articles (on all of his 20 or so dead blogs) for a reciprocal mention at CP. As these blogs are all lifeless they left Ken's articles in a rather flaccid state.  Lily Ta, wack! 15:43, 12 October 2008 (EDT)
I did just notice this is the same Mariano guy who writes about 40 anti-atheism blogs on every single free blog hosting site. None of his sites have any traffic, and he has linked to CP's articles on all of them. I wonder if Andy knows one of his sysops is using his trusworhty encyclopedia to advertise someone's blogging. I'm sure he doesn't care. DickTurpis 15:45, 12 October 2008 (EDT)
Same deal with CP:Atheism Dissected. The blog contains the same set of links to Conservative's pet articles. Probably the same blogger, but I haven't checked. weaseLOId~ 15:47, 12 October 2008 (EDT)
It is the same blogger. And DeanS might be interested to know that the same blogger writes an anti-Mormon blog. Someone should let Andy and Dean know that Ken is using CP to promote an anti-Mormon bigot. DickTurpis 15:49, 12 October 2008 (EDT)
GOOD HEAVENS! We've uncovered Operation Grassroots! Ken gets ONE GUY with a pack of D-grade blogs to link to him in exchange for self-serving advertisements "articles" promoting them. Brilliant spending of whatever little credibility CP has left! --Kels 15:52, 12 October 2008 (EDT)
Ewww. It's all so tacky. Trading bogus "articles" for mentions on spam blogs. Ken has no class whatsoever. Of course it's likely that this will actually detract from Conservapedia's google rank rather than add to it. Google is very good at detecting link spamming. --JeevesMkII 15:57, 12 October 2008 (EDT)
The blogger in question appears to be one Mariano Grinbank. He's a nobody and his blogs do not show up on alexa. Speaking of google detecting linkspamming, someone recently told me that a group of vegans, in an effort to sabotage, somehow linkspammed some Atkins related site to the point where google, countering the spamming, removed the site from all search results. Is this possible? Could it come in handy? DickTurpis 16:06, 12 October 2008 (EDT)
Oho! Look who just popped up. --Kels 16:09, 12 October 2008 (EDT)
Just when you think Conservapedia can't sink any lower, they let a spam blog master edit "articles" about his own blogs. I can only hope someone steps in to stop this, it's just too embarrassing. --JeevesMkII 16:13, 12 October 2008 (EDT)

###  As if by magic, a moron appears

Oh looky. Seek a moron, and ye shall find. Apparently Operation Assroots is far more detrimental to Conservapedia than this latest episode in bottom feeding. --JeevesMkII 16:32, 12 October 2008 (EDT)

LOL, "bottom-feeding"! I'm sure you didn't mean it that way Jeeves but it's very apposite for Ken.  Lily Ta, wack! 16:49, 12 October 2008 (EDT)
Dear Ken: No. You've taught us to have very low expectations of your plans. --Kels 16:36, 12 October 2008 (EDT)
Hahahaha I like the "bee's stinging Darwins body" business. Yes nice one Ken, I will start thinking flying fortresses now. Ace McWickedThe Liquid Room 16:41, 12 October 2008 (EDT)
(ec) Ken, don't you get it? We don't really care. Sure, you're good for a laugh, but other than that, we couldn't care less about Operation whatever-it-is-this-time. Put down your lance, Quixote. Hasn't it dawned on you that none of your previous "operations" have accomplished anything? It certainly doesn't ingratiate you with the others over there, and it just makes us laugh. Say you get a few more google hits; we've shown you that the links/attention you get from any internet "fame" (as if there really was such a thing) are largely negative. Couldn't you find something more worthwhile to do with your time? Call a friend or two, go out to dinner with a special someone, get a beer at the pub, anything. --Arcan ¡ollǝɥ 16:49, 12 October 2008 (EDT)

I think i figured it out. A Flying Fortress is a B-17. Ken wants to "be seventeen" -- he has a birthday coming up. This makes him 16 years old now (about 3 years older than my guess, but not too far off). For his birthday, Ken asked Santa (he's a little confused) to make his articles appear as the first thing that appears whenever anyone types anything into google. When he asked for a Thomas the Tank Engine playset last year, he got it, so naturally he assumes he'll get his wish this year too. DickTurpis 17:08, 12 October 2008 (EDT)

Okay, Ken. You've been "modest" in your predictions, AND STILL FAILED TO LIVE UP TO THEM. So we're pretty accustomed to your grand plans turning out to be incredibly underwhelming. So if your Operation Grass Stain or whatever is worth more than a fart in the wind, PROVE IT. Because you haven't proved a damn thing so far. --Kels 17:28, 12 October 2008 (EDT)

## Response to Conservative/Karajou

First off, it's amusing to see both Karajou and Conservative read this talk page, and didn't even care to respond to my abuse report until now.

Conservative - I don't care about your Stalin picture or the Atheism article, sorry, and I've never bothered to read it. It's so long and full of quotes, which I have no idea is against some sort of format policy or whatever Conservapedia has towards making articles look good. However, the picture is at the top of the article; that is, it's meant to push the reader into thinking that Atheism = bad! from the start of the article. In such case, it makes the article look bad. I was only interested in properly sourcing images, not their placement or use in particular. Your weird and vague sub-page articles referencing to the folks here, in my opinion, seems kind of cowardly as you don't just post it here or post it with actual details. I'm probably sure most here would look at the insanely long title, look at your edits, shrug and not understand it, and insult you before moving on. In other words, there's no point. I have nothing against you. Though I will ask this = why did ASchlafly block me for making "criminal edits" when all you do is talk about homosexuality and Atheism?

To Karajou - hard to email you when nobody can. My last edit on the website was a removal of a reference that linked to the editor's blog, RSchlafly. If you call that intellectually dishonest editing for removing that, you're sorely mistaken. My userpage stated that the little games your buddies play on article fairness can be (and I was going to) used against them. For example - they won't post that McCain graduated at the bottom of his class because Obama didn't disclose his records, but they have Biden's article stating just that while Palin's has no mention. Double standard, and the ones defending those articles are sysops and users with block rights who aren't even questioned about their ideological protections. Even ASchlafly is participating in the ideological frenzy, note his dismissal of Palin's "Troopergate" scandal while adamantly stating that Obama is a Muslim, without any proof. It's laughable, more so that my abuse report, long after its been posted, has finally been answered. You reverted my last edit, you've admitted to abusing your powers, and you say you'll take action in regards to my report... its all intellectually dishonest. As if you didn't know already? The damage has already been done.

However, as I predict, nothing will come to it. It was meant to serve as a spotlight. No matter which way you moved, the light still shone on you - that is, there's nothing anyone can say or do that can defend the actions the administration has done. The responses, and lack thereof, are proof that nobody does anything about it. Even you, in your hypocrisy, states you blocked Wisdom89 for off-site behavior, when it's specifically against blocking policy. Yet, I tip my hat, if you're sincere in your last words, that you wish the site to improve and the administration needs to be held accountable and needs to be fixed. 99% of the users on that site cannot improve it, it must come from within. If I told Bugler his rancid remarks (while blocking others for the same offenses for life) were inappropriate, if I told LearnTogether his bias editing in defense of McCain and Palin articles (while leaving Obama's to look like utter bullshit), if I told ASchlafly that his lack of responsibility to govern the site and his edits properly, I would be outright banned. You've done nothing but say you'll do something since your post... in fact, you just went right back to being abusive. Rather than give the benefit of a doubt and look into Jpatt's blocking, you sit there and question the person. It seems the only people who care to improve that site are the ones without the power to do anything about it!

I said it to ASchlafly and I'll say it to you, Karajou - stand and deliver. Let's see you improve that site from within. It will be quite difficult when you realize you're part of the problem, and if you can't change yourself, do you honestly think you can change ASchlafly to show some responsibility? You can start by apologizing to Philip Rayment and NathanG for threatening to throw them off the site - when you couldn't and "retired". I won't apologize for my actions, because no matter what I did on that site, it can't compare to those who ruin it on the inside. In other words, why should I apologize when you don't? Just remember, I had the balls to stick my neck out and get banned for talking about the wrongdoings. Have fun... I'm done ranting. 208.77.19.50 17:10, 12 October 2008 (EDT) (Samuel)

##  I'm starting to feel guilty here...

The red telephone is ringing again. And it's becoming more and more clear, with every mention of "grassroots" and "flying fortresses," not to mention the bit that was posted on this page a few weeks ago regarding a comment that he had made on another forum about his experience with medication for a mental illness, that I shoudn't, in good conscience, pile on the guy. And I say this knowing that I've done it recently, on this very page. A few years back I had the unfortunate experience of having a neighbour who was bipolar and prone to paranoid delusions; one day he decided that I was "out to get him" and he made things rather uncomfortable for me on many occasions--phone calls to my work, long, incoherent messages on my answering machine, knocks on my door at all hours, notes posted to my apartment door. Being the cool, collected guy I was back then, I of course dealt with it in a rational, measured way--yelling at him, mostly, and calling him crazy which of course just escalated everything even more.

And that's kind of what this is reminding me of. It's also reminding me of the drunk fratboys who verbally abuse the obviously not-quite-with-it street people on Saturday nights. Maybe I'm wrong and he's just a guy playing a game and trying to provoke a reaction--but if, in fact, he can't help but be this way, is it fair of me--of us--to do this? I'm not saying I will no longer be a jerk on the internet--that's what the internet is for--but I might try to tone down my own attacks.

I'd love to hear your thoughts...PFoster 16:44, 12 October 2008 (EDT)

Ken is a strange one, there is certainly something not right with him, I don't really have a problem with some light hearted fun or conversing with him in this weird manner...but for the record I think our attacks on him, particularly their tone, are not our finest moments. tmtoulouse 16:55, 12 October 2008 (EDT)
Interesting. I've wondered at times if he has some sort of case of Asperger's or the like, but when someone mentioned it I believe it was considered an insult to people with Asperger's. What's this about medication, though? The is the first time I heard of it. Do you have a link? I have wondered if he was all there is various ways at times, but there wasn't really anything he did that I couldn't dismiss as being due to a combination of immaturity and stupidity. Whatever Ken's situation, this is also certainly not a case of bullies picking on the retarded kid who's minding his own business at the playground. Ken openly encourages all this stuff. DickTurpis 16:57, 12 October 2008 (EDT)
We talked about it here when he edited cp:Bipolar Disorder. --Arcan ¡ollǝɥ 17:03, 12 October 2008 (EDT)
(ec)He wants the attention. Hell, he's all about the attention. The google rank obsession, the link whoring, the red telephone, it all comes back to that. We treat him badly, but for some reason, he seems to like it, so apparently, even negative attention will do. It's not a bipolar thing. Still, I wouldn't push him too hard. I'm not sure if it would be more damaging to ignore him or to give him the attention he apparently craves. --Arcan ¡ollǝɥ 16:59, 12 October 2008 (EDT)
Yes, he wants the attention, but is it good for him? Or for us? I don't think so, some things are starting to go too far. Etc 17:01, 12 October 2008 (EDT)
Dick, here's the link (under "Kendoll Again") PFoster 17:03, 12 October 2008 (EDT)
He is asking for attention. He craves it. So why not have fun. He seems happy (despite he has an obvious mental deficiancy) so until such a time as he starts getting bleak and muttering about burning things he's free game. Ace McWickedThe Liquid Room 17:05, 12 October 2008 (EDT)
If we have any reason to believe he's actually on medication (and that doesn't seem unlikely) then we seriously need to think once or twice about what we write about him. For all we know, he might go and kill himself if he gets "pwned" once more. Who's laughing then? Etc 17:08, 12 October 2008 (EDT)
Er...not everyone with a mental issue or taking meds is one bad word away from suicide. You're getting a wee bit ableist there. --Kels 17:16, 12 October 2008 (EDT)
Well, sorry for the hyperbole then. If he has real mental problems this might be a lot harder on him than we realize, that's my point. Etc 17:20, 12 October 2008 (EDT)

Again, I seriously doubt he's bipolar. He doesn't really act like any bipolar person I've talked to in the past, nor my ex who was had quite a nasty case of it. If anything, he might be Aspergers or something close, in which case I doubt we're doing him any particular harm. He's got his obsessions, and he craves attention, but it's unlikely we have much of a therapeutic effect either way. Andy now, he's got issues. --Kels 17:08, 12 October 2008 (EDT)

I had a girlfriend with Bi-Polar. Quite a nasty case also and over the 2 years we dated I never saw behaviour like Ken exhibits. He's like a big child and I think he has quite a diminished mental age. He certainly writes like a child. Ace McWickedThe Liquid Room 17:13, 12 October 2008 (EDT)
All the evidence so far points to him just being an idiot who's got a few minor obsessive and attention seeking issues. Like the internet isn't full of those. --Kels 17:16, 12 October 2008 (EDT)
Interesting views, thanks to all. FTR, I wasn't trying to make a "he's bipolar" diagnosis--I'm nowhere near qualified--as much as I was trying to say: "He may not be well, should we take that into account." PFoster 17:20, 12 October 2008 (EDT)
If we want to talk about mental instability at CP, I think we should start with Andy. Of course, I can't make any diagnosis, but it seems the guy is slowly descending into a state of paranoid schizophrenia. Maybe he's always been like this, but I don't see how he could have functioned as an adult and as a student in advanced studies if this is just how he's always been. DickTurpis 17:24, 12 October 2008 (EDT)
Also, all these "shout-outs" lately are getting tedious. And responses to Ken in particular, are nothing more than troll food. There is no point trying to argue with these guys, why are you all trying? Laugh at them, that's enough. Etc 17:24, 12 October 2008 (EDT)

Operation whateveritis may be to bore us all to death with his nonsensical messages. The Ken DeMeyer show has progressed past boring, and we are merely fuelling the stupid by dissecting each statement he makes. I think it is time to disconnect the red telephone. He simply doesn't have any nukes.-- Antifly Now with 50% less retirement! 17:36, 12 October 2008 (EDT)

Well put, sir! Perhaps it's time for another one of these silly polls, to decide whether or not we should consider the red hook to be off or on? As far as I'm concerned, it's off. Etc 17:45, 12 October 2008 (EDT)

Latest message to come in on the red phone says he's mentally a-okay. The little moron is fair game, it seems. By the way Ken, am I close with my guess on Operation Flying Fortress above? DickTurpis 17:35, 12 October 2008 (EDT)

If he's actually in an institution, we might be providing valuable therapy. Apart from that, I'm finding him truly tedious and slowly dropping out of the Lulz range.   ContribsTalk 17:44, 12 October 2008 (EDT)
Someone recently made the point, and I agree, that encouraging Ken just makes him do more of this crap, the only effect of which is to further make Conservapedia look stupid. Not a bad result, not that they need help. Actually, what they need now is a contest. Isn't it about time? with Hsmom on her anti-plagarism crusade, it would be terribly amusing to see another one of their copy/paste extravaganzas. DickTurpis 17:53, 12 October 2008 (EDT)
Contest! Contest! Contest! Contest! Contest! Contest! ħuman 20:26, 12 October 2008 (EDT)

## Tone it down

If it's someone active here currently operating under a musical alias, scale back and tone down, you're really really obvious today. That is all SirChuckBGo Naked, Hitler Wore Clothes 17:07, 12 October 2008 (EDT)

Huh? Is this one of these "Gentleman" things we're not supposed to ask questions about or what? Etc 17:15, 12 October 2008 (EDT)
Well Bugler hasn't done anything out of the ordinary today, so unless there's some other musical alias I don't know about, he's talking about me. If so, I have no idea what he's talking about. (And for the record for the lurkers: I'm not "someone active here", in the traditional sense of the phrase). JazzMan 19:20, 12 October 2008 (EDT)
It's not you, Jazz. --Arcan ¡ollǝɥ 19:54, 12 October 2008 (EDT)
Now I'm all kinds of curious. JazzMan 20:32, 12 October 2008 (EDT)
This gives me an idea for a code system so you can refer to socks without explicitly mentioning it for the WIGO readers at CP; "Cueball" your edit to the "Doris Day" article was fantastic. "8-Ball" you follow it up with an edit to the "Paper Plate" article to cover for it. ArmondikoVtheist 04:48, 13 October 2008 (EDT)

## Gentlemen at this website

My predictions for Operation Flying Fortress and Operation Grassroots (and they are great) are nothing compared to my newest plan: Operation Skeeball! This will be like a Manhattan Project in its scope. Can you guess what Operation Skeeball is? Kendoll 17:38, 12 October 2008 (EDT)

You're gonna go to the carnival and play a few games? It's always been one of my faves. --Kels 17:42, 12 October 2008 (EDT)
I just want to say that I literally laughed out loud while clicking through this diffs of this post. Bravo, Kendoll. --Arcan ¡ollǝɥ 17:54, 12 October 2008 (EDT)

Gentleman Kels: you must think bigger! This will shake the very foundations of your way of life. Once completed and Operation Cheesesteak begins, you may find yourself living in a different world entirely!

Gentleman Arcan: you are making little sense. Perhaps your thinking is clouded by your atheism? Kendoll 18:01, 12 October 2008 (EDT)

##  The RW reference in TK talk page was mine

Uhhh, yeah, just baiting Assfly or Ken to see if they would do anything. --Konstanty 18:37, 12 October 2008 (EDT)

Nah, one of the real thugs will take care of it. Don't expect the pussy-footers to get off their backsides and play with you. Генгисevolving 18:44, 12 October 2008 (EDT)

##  KenBoy-cott

How about a boycott of just Ken? just refrain from mentioning him - read and mock yes, but privately - withouyt feeding his attention seeking ramblings?   ContribsTalk 19:30, 12 October 2008 (EDT)

I agree. Or should I wait for the poll?  ;-) --Arcan ¡ollǝɥ 20:00, 12 October 2008 (EDT)
Well,, anyone can agree and conduct their own "personal" boycott. The question is, will enough people want to do it to get the rest of us to "join in" and ignore Kendoll the Roto-Rooter Boy XVII? ħuman 20:23, 12 October 2008 (EDT)
I don't think we need an official boycott. If you find Ken tiresome, don't post comments about him.-- Antifly Now with 50% less retirement! 20:46, 12 October 2008 (EDT)
Though I would say that the whole "rush to screen shot and upload" that we do with his comments can probably stop. He hasn't said anything worth wasting even the few kb a screen cap takes. 72.39.187.24 20:57, 12 October 2008 (EDT)
And we could miss some Exciting new developments! JJ4eI love ponies, I hate phonies 22:09, 12 October 2008 (EDT)
I want us to ignore the red telephone for a while. He needs to come up with something new. Etc 22:34, 12 October 2008 (EDT)
He deletes his message if nobody post about it in an hour, he is extremely easy to ignore. - User $\approx$$\pi$For best results always render PNG 22:51, 12 October 2008 (EDT)

I see no consensus. Ignore if you like, screencap if you want to? ħuman 23:07, 12 October 2008 (EDT)

What's all this about Ken getting a boy into his cot? --Kels 23:10, 12 October 2008 (EDT)

Well he hasn't come out to deny it...
What if someone just keeps track of the Red Telephone stuff and posts it all at once at a later date after it's been deleted and calmed down. It means we get to read it (albeit eventually) but you don't give the attention whore what he wants for 90% of the day. ArmondikoVtheist 04:42, 13 October 2008 (EDT)
Agree, we don't need to respond immediately, just laugh when he's left the room. :: Генгисevolving 07:17, 13 October 2008 (EDT)

ArmondikoVtheist 08:45, 13 October 2008 (EDT)

### Proposed new house style

Also I had been thinking along the same lines as Armondikov with regards euphemisms. Just like Private Eye refers to the Queen as Brenda, or Philip as Keith.

• Andy Schlafly - Abdul Shafeeq
• Ed Poor - Ethel
• Karajou - OJ
• Conservative - Little Willy
• Phyllis Schlafly (snr) - Cruella
• PJR - Maureen Muriel
• Learn together - Fido
• DeanS - Mr. Toad
• Bugler - Grub
Генгисevolving 07:17, 13 October 2008 (EDT)
Liking "Cruella" and "Fido". Although I already tend to use various things when mentioning Andy, such as The Führer, but a few more for the rest of the gang is good.ArmondikoVtheist 07:51, 13 October 2008 (EDT)
I'm opposed to using Abdul. I don't get what point it's making & it seems kinda racist. Don't really care about the rest of these names, but surely Cruella DeVille is Ann Coulter. weaseLOId~ 08:27, 13 October 2008 (EDT)
Meh, it's not that serious. The Abdul thing could possibly be racist, but only in the way that most racist jokes take the piss out of the racists and not the race itself. If the guy wants to maintain him Obama is a muslim obsession, he has it coming. ArmondikoVtheist 08:45, 13 October 2008 (EDT)
I already have a name for Ed: "Glorpus", just because he looks like a disgusting, slow troll-beast with a name like Glorpus. DickTurpis 09:29, 13 October 2008 (EDT)
Abdul is the closest match I could get for Andrew, it's just highlighting his obsession with Barack "Hussein" Obama. Many immigrants have changed their name to blend in. Obama kept his, so what? Very few names are purely religious (Theobald, Christopher, etc.) although many have religious links. A friend of mine who married a Maltese Catholic had to sort through thousands to find one that wasn't the name of a saint for his son. Hussein just means 'little beauty' in Arabic and is not inherently religious. Most Biblical names are of course of Jewish origin and have Arabic counterparts. Генгисevolving 10:15, 13 October 2008 (EDT)
Abdul Latif Shafique satirises ALS's obsession with BHO's religion. There's nothing racist about it because most Muslim names aren't specific to any particular race (just as Hussain is a west Asian / east African name that isn't specific to Islam). The Real James Brown 08:06, 15 October 2008 (EDT)
Sorry, I got the guy's middle initial wrong. Apologies to everyone whose middle initial is W. The Real James Brown 16:09, 15 October 2008 (EDT)

PJR seems keen, or at least interested - see here.--KrissAkabusiAwoogar 10:02, 13 October 2008 (EDT)

I changed it to Muriel after the movie. Генгисevolving 10:16, 13 October 2008 (EDT)

I think I'll keep going with the names I've been using all along. I don't know what Private Eye is (a magazine?), and none of the names above have the least meaning to me. I'd rather be able to type stuff in here without referring to my secret decoder ring to figure out who the hell is who. --Kels 13:56, 13 October 2008 (EDT)

I agree. Apart from anything else, it's a bit cliquey to use these cryptic nicknames. People who are new to the site or only tune into WIGO occasionally won't know what the hell people are talking about if this becomes a habit. weaseLOId~ 15:45, 13 October 2008 (EDT)

##  In the great war between evolution and creationism, who's winning the internet? The results may surprise you

But only if you're Ken. A simple Google Search shows that his linkage is uniformly negative.-caius (heckuva job!) 21:05, 12 October 2008 (EDT)

See also User:JeevesMkII/Dear gentletwat at another website. Of course he's gone and ruined my flawless tumbleweedage with his latest round of blog spam. On the other paw, I don't think spamming blogs counts as a terribly complimentary link. --JeevesMkII 21:33, 12 October 2008 (EDT)

Who is winning? You can not be seriously asking that! The forces of atheism and evolutionism are breathing their last breaths and will soon be pronounced DOA. When Operation Pajama Party is initiated in time for the Ides of April, there will be nothing left to see! Kendoll 21:56, 12 October 2008 (EDT)

If Operation Pajama Party goes down the same day as Operation Barbie Haircut, we're all fucked.-00:03, 13 October 2008 (EDT)
The death of Darwinism is confirmed by a Christian homeschool student
You know, I was surfing through Ken's user page and I had forgotten about the stupid attempt at parody of the bad boys theme.... I just thought about it and I am offended on three different fronts, A, as a music minor (possible major) I deplore bad musical parody, I mean, the fucking lyrics don't even match up, it's like those stupid inspirational movies that try and steal well known themes. B, as a teacher, I abhor the bad grammar and wrong word usage (it's gonna, unless you're going for the Reggae accent, in which case is "Gwana") and C, as a black man, I'm offended that he would debase African based music in such a way... I really hate you Kenneth, I really do. SirChuckBGo Naked, Hitler Wore Clothes 00:24, 13 October 2008 (EDT)

Gentleman conservative, a mild request for proof of your statement?-caius (heckuva job!) 02:51, 13 October 2008 (EDT)

##  Reddit?

Does anyone know what he is rambling on about now? I went there and the only thing I found with the atheism box checked was something from AmesG and only then if I had the science box checked as well. Is he actual happy that Ames is making fun of him? --BoredCPer 00:16, 13 October 2008 (EDT)

I Reddit'd Atheism in the hopes that I'd beat Ken to the punch so if he Reddit's it, it'll be duplicative and he'll be forced to thumbs-up an item with an insulting title. Don't know if it worked, I'm not sure how Reddit works... but then again neither is Ken. This plan, by the way, goes under the title of Operation Bed Wetting (b/c intended result on Ken).-caius (heckuva job!) 02:20, 13 October 2008 (EDT)
Amusingly, search for "conservapedia" there and see how the results stack up. There are some funny ones there. RW is there too. I'm not sure that's the audience Kenny wants to advertise in the general direction of. --Shagie 02:41, 13 October 2008 (EDT)
If anyone has StumbleUpon - conservapedia has an awesome fanbase there. I think there was only one positive review and it was from some dingbat fundie with obese children and greasy fingers. Ace McWickedThe Liquid Room 04:13, 13 October 2008 (EDT)

##  LongStop

Re Abdul's use of Godspeed. Maybe I have become wordblind but isn't that the first use of Godspeed in ages? He seemed to stop using it some time back. Генгисevolving 02:59, 13 October 2008 (EDT)

How the fuck - I'll say it again - HOW THE FUCK does Andy justify, in his own mind, deleting this edit (already noted in WIGO) by LongStop? It is just deleted without any explanation. Gone. Poof! It NEVER HAPPENED PEOPLE! I don't have to answer it BECAUSE IT NEVER HAPPENED!
Is he mad? I really begin to wonder. --Horace 03:58, 13 October 2008 (EDT)
Andy is fucked in the head, no doubt. But he wasnt to start with. If you look at his early edits he was still competant (in the loosest way possible) but now he has gone round the fucking bend. And its dark where Andy is. Ace McWickedThe Liquid Room 04:16, 13 October 2008 (EDT)
Did he revert it to the last edit by "human" or am I going mad? ArmondikoVtheist 04:37, 13 October 2008 (EDT)
Hehe, yes. I corrected that math typo (a greater than sign or something), and it turned out to be the last edit for quite some time. So, yeah, isn't that a kick? ħuman 15:25, 13 October 2008 (EDT)
He removes anything that's longer than a few sentences and never responds or reacts. I find it amazing that some people are still trying to argue with him on CP.
The best thing you can do nowadays is to just give him links to the horrible truth; for example, the recent movie clip on YouTube where McCain gets booed by his crowd just for stating that Obama is a "decent person". I don't expect Andy to learn anything from that, I just want him to watch it and come up with some weird liberals-are-evil twist on it. Etc 05:17, 13 October 2008 (EDT)
That's why Abdul failed as a lawyer, he could never read through all the fine print. Генгисevolving 07:20, 13 October 2008 (EDT)
In case anyone has missed the wonderful clip I'm talking about, here's a link. I'd love to see Andy's reaction on that. Etc 09:46, 13 October 2008 (EDT)
While I don't think it was McCain's intention, what he basically said at the end of the clip is "Obama is not an Arab! Quite the opposite, he is a good person!" DickTurpis 09:51, 13 October 2008 (EDT)
He also clearly says Obama is "a citizen", which makes Andy's "allegedly born" crap pointless. --Kels 10:06, 13 October 2008 (EDT)
You can be a citizen without being born in the US. What makes Assfly's claim pointless is that it has been debunked long ago. DickTurpis 10:11, 13 October 2008 (EDT)

Andy deletes this stuff so tomorrow or the next day he can make a "it must be true becuase no one objected " claim. This is one of his pathological liar techniques. He does it all the time. 10:22, 13 October 2008 (EDT)

Abdul Latif Shafique blocked LongStop for "claiming special expertise while using a silly name". So that'll be Mr C.O.N. Servative of Akron and Mr K. Arajou of Amarillo, then...? Basically, as others have noted above, it's a pathetic attempt by AWS to eliminate firm evidence that he's wrong. The Real James Brown 05:12, 15 October 2008 (EDT)

## Bugler

It was only a matter of time before someone started using this to attack editors. Bonus marks for stabbing PJR in the back with his own dagger... Any bets on Bugler going on a new campaign to rid CP of helpful jazz-loving contributers?-- Antifly Now with 50% less retirement! 10:52, 13 October 2008 (EDT)

Such a shame that the Grub can't even link it properly. Генгисevolving 10:57, 13 October 2008 (EDT)
Yeah, I'm kinda impressed he was able to attack both Jazz and PJR at the same time, and get in a swipe at Dinsdale at the same time. One of his better, if still clumsy, efforts. --Kels 10:58, 13 October 2008 (EDT)
He used it wrong, too. I was going to say something, but stupid editing is locked. JazzMan 11:40, 13 October 2008 (EDT)
Buggy needs to be careful, his parody is starting to show through the thin veil... ArmondikoVtheist 12:09, 13 October 2008 (EDT)
He's probably getting over-confident, just remember 'pride goes before a fall'. Генгисevolving 12:12, 13 October 2008 (EDT)

The thing with [1] is also a shout out to himself and mocking Andy's face to his face (anyone with a nose can detect a parodist). It points out that the other sysops are impotent to actually get him out of power now that he is in with the noseless one. While the other sysops are useless idiots, Andy is even a bigger one for not recognizing the parody from the start or kicking Bugler out when he is disruptive. It shows the other sysops how spineless the noseless one is and taunts them that when they say "Bugler or me" the nosespineless one will ignore the entire issue even after they take an extended sabbatical (DanH anyone?).

In the end, it will be Andy, Kenny, and Bugler on the site (Kenny is immune to criticism and would never make a 'him or me' stance as long as he can keep putting his drivel on a webpage). Bugler will drive away PJR in disgust with Andy for not having a spine and Ken will drive away DeanS by inviting some anti-mormon blogger to the site at which point DeanS will start his on blog as a news aggregation of copied titles. Ed has been gone for a month on CP (similar timeframe on WP too) and is probably laying low somewhere waiting for embarrassing CP article histories to disappear before he does another RFA on WP. --Shagie 17:50, 13 October 2008 (EDT)