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[edit] JPratt, made man

JPratt lets us know how things work at CPimg. He might not give a tiny, shrew-sized shit about Andy's blog any more but, damn it, he's still important. After all, where's Andy going to find another idiot henchman quite as idiotic as JPratt on short notice. Oh. Right. Yeah.

Also, anyone else vaguely amused when JPratt talks about Cain's wife on CPimg in this context? I still think Herman Cain sounds like a rejected Bond villain. --JeevesMkII The gentleman's gentleman at the other site 16:47, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

The entire talk pageimg is one epic example of Jpatt joining Ken's "Troll The Community" project, really. --Sid (talk) 17:34, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
Yeah, it really does take some serious, intentional (self-?)deception to pretend that "mutt" and "purebred" aren't offensive racial terms. Honestly, I can imagine one using these terms in an unguarded moment. I can't imagine a reasonable person failing to see that they are insensitive and apologizing for his indiscretion later, when he has time to reflect on his word choices.
So JPatt falls even lower in my esteem (not that he does or should care). Phiwum (talk) 20:03, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
Liberals are so sensitive. Is mutt and purebred less racist than Mulatto and Negro or the same? What if I used zebra-like, still offensive? Maybe I've just got thick skin now due to being called a Tea Party terrorist. Terrorist is pretty offensive. Terrorists murder innocent men, women and children and that equals more Teaparty rapes.--208.40.4.94 (talk) 15:41, 21 October 2011 (UTC)
Um, no. Liberals are not racist, unlike you and your Master Schlafly. And no, "mutt" is not the same as Negro (which I believe is equally not-said in your part of the woods these days) - mutt implies mongrel, which makes your comment doubly offensive. The fact that you can't even see it is illuminating. Maybe I'll call you "mlungu" from now on. (PS the FBI said they'd get back to me, just as soon as they've finished checking up on what library books you're reading... sorry, having read to you.) --PsyGremlinSpeak! 15:49, 21 October 2011 (UTC)
I can see it all right, I see it and lol. It doesn't affect me in the slightest. Bur thanks for holding the right to a higher standard. You being from the white half of S. Africa - likely participated in racist apartheid. --208.40.4.94 (talk) 20:11, 21 October 2011 (UTC)
Yawn. You been talking to the swabbie again? --PsyGremlinSermā! 13:02, 22 October 2011 (UTC)
It's always amuses me, psy, when walking wank stains on the face of the earth like jpatt, who know nothing of South Africa and saffas, accuse saffas as he did. Thing is he probably believes his own lies, after all it's not like he will ever have heard of Helen Suzman or Ruth First or any of the other fighters. After all that would need him to read beyond the bigoted blinkered bullshit he's consumed and produced for most of his tedious bitter little life. Nkosi Sikelel' iAfrika my friend. Oldusgitus (talk) 13:16, 22 October 2011 (UTC)
Thanks. It is certainly fairly amusing that somebody who bases his entire political philosophy on his horror of there being a black man in the White House points fingers at me. Still, Jpatt has never let facts stand in the way before now. Just to put things into perspective, yes, I was conscripted into the Army when I left school, and was 2lt when we went to Angola (ironically fighting the nasty commie MPLA and Cubans, alongside US-sponsored UNITA - which means I've probably done more for the Cold War than Karajerk). Not proud of what happened there, but what do you do as a scared kid? That said, joined the End Conscription Campaign when I went to varsity, took part in the United Democratic Movement, prior to the unbanning of the ANC and even had a few uncomfortable visits from the security police at the time. But why should a conservative let a few facts get in the way of a nice smear? --PsyGremlinTal! 13:36, 22 October 2011 (UTC)
It's astonishing in this day and age that someone from a liberal democracy still thinks it's perfectly acceptable to talk in these terms in public discourse - mutt and purebred. I mean, it's like the beginning of this century and the latter half of the last just passed him by. Many people these days don't even talk about "race" - an artificial social construct - and more and more people are simply colour-blind. That this throwback insists on using these obviously insulting terms followed by acting innocently surprised that anyone finds them offensive shows just how removed he is from the advances the rest of his species have made. Thank God JPatt and his swamp-dwelling ilk are a dying breed. Goodbye and good riddance. And I'm glad my children are unlikely to ever hear this contemptuous drivel. What an utter pillock. Ajkgordon (talk) 20:56, 21 October 2011 (UTC)
I am so glad to know a people like you with superior intellect. Hey Gordy, blow it out your ass. No offense, it's opposites day. I'll have you know that calling people animal names is not as offensive as believing you descended from one duechebag. --208.54.37.208 (talk) 02:27, 22 October 2011 (UTC)
(To JPatt:) First, I do not consider myself a liberal, so we'll have to blame my sensitivity on something else. We can debate about Mulatto and Negro (both terms seem more antiquated than insensitive to me), but surely you can see that discussing a person's racial heritage as if he were a hunting dog being bred for utility is crude at best. Finally, no idea why you're ranting on about being called a terrorist. I didn't call you that, I didn't say that such hyperbole is acceptable and frankly what others call you is irrelevant. Take responsibility for your own damned words, son, and let others take responsibility for theirs. Phiwum (talk) 01:15, 22 October 2011 (UTC)
I appreciate the precise wording of your advice Phi, you should be a writer. I am just like any *normal* person in that I swear when upset. When I am with friends, I swear as obnoxious play. In front of relatives, I don't swear. Should I be condemned for being human? If you don't get the terrorist talk, this will be our last chat.--208.54.37.208 (talk) 02:27, 22 October 2011 (UTC)
Hey, J--give us a hint, what's next for CP? After Obese-apedia, FlyingKitty-apedia, Sedition-apedia, RewriteThe Bible-apedia, ObamaIsAMuslimWhoDoesn'tDance-apedia, and Bestiality-apedia, where would you like to see the project go next? Incest-apedia, perhaps? B♭maj7 (talk) Member of the Kara Duhe fan club since 2010 02:40, 22 October 2011 (UTC)
That went beyond swearing. You were belittling someone and filing them down according to your race. I do not believe you are a racist, in the strictest sense of the term, mostly because you were purposely being inflammatory. Don't try and jam people into categories, and don't use words like "mutt." That is, in fact, a racial slur and in its context it did not appear to be for the purposes of rhetoric or humor--"Shut up, Brx." 03:00, 22 October 2011 (UTC)
What JPatt did was worse than what happened to the Jewish community of Cordova in 1391. B♭maj7 (talk) Member of the Kara Duhe fan club since 2010 03:05, 22 October 2011 (UTC)
Will you drop it already, P?--"Shut up, Brx." 03:10, 22 October 2011 (UTC)
You need to learn how to take a joke, son. People still call me out for vaping the database, and that happened when you were still sucking on your mom's tit, in internet time. And do you know what I do when that happens? I laugh about it. Because it's funny. Anyway, not to get too distracted: JPatt? What next from the minds that brought you the Heretic Bible Project the Conservabible and all-bestiality, all the time? We're dying to know...B♭maj7 (talk) Member of the Kara Duhe fan club since 2010 03:14, 22 October 2011 (UTC)
{ec}I misconstrued your comment as another one of those "Brx can't make an analogy and should be flogged and ignored" things--"Shut up, Brx." 03:24, 22 October 2011 (UTC)
(To JPatt) (EC) Like Brxbrx says, this isn't about swearing. I cuss like a sailor all the gol'darned time, gosh'n'golly, but that's not the issue. I was (and am) shocked that you don't see that your words were offensive and own up to them. Whether they came out in a heated moment or not (and who can tell, way over here on the other side of the computer screen?), why didn't you just admit that what you said was regrettable?
As far as the "terrorist talk": it was irrelevant when you brought it up and it still is. The fact that others may have said something offensive to you really doesn't mitigate your own nasty little edit comment.
We may drop this discussion here, if you'd like. I don't see any need to go on repeating the same, simple and obvious points and you're too pig-headed to admit any error now. Feel free to have the last word, of course. Phiwum (talk) 03:16, 22 October 2011 (UTC)
Brxbrx, are you talking to me? Am I P? I'm happy to drop the discussion in any case.Phiwum (talk) 03:16, 22 October 2011 (UTC)
I was talking to B♭maj7. P is short for PFoster, another name of his. In case you didn't know. Maybe you weren't up to date on the site's current roster of sockpuppets--"Shut up, Brx." 03:21, 22 October 2011 (UTC)
Little known fact: There are more sockpuppets on this site than there were Jews in all of Cordova in 1391. B♭maj7 (talk) Member of the Kara Duhe fan club since 2010 03:22, 22 October 2011 (UTC)
Ah, you are just grumpy because you can't lynch n......yeah I can't do it. Aceace 03:43, 22 October 2011 (UTC)
Anways I don't find Jpatts use of Mutt and Purebred particularly offensive...more sort of "Wow, that guy is a dick". Aceace 03:44, 22 October 2011 (UTC)
Exactly. Yeah, we know that lots of people talk like that in private company and it's no big deal. Just like I might refer to the sweaties, frogs and sheep-shaggers when talking about rugby with mates. JPatt is obviously one of these people who believes casual racism is harmless even in public. What he fails to realise, like almost everything about everything else, is that most people have moved on and couldn't give two shits about whether being able to stick a pencil in your hair means you're a "mutt". And that he doesn't care means that he'll remain an ignorant backward fossil forever determined to believe he ain't descended from no ape. Ajkgordon (talk) 15:35, 22 October 2011 (UTC)
To be fair, "Sheep-Shagger" is less of a racist epithet than a simple tatement about an uncomfortable fact. Hey, JPatt: maybe you and user:Conservative should write an article on New Zealand and bestiality? B♭maj7 (talk) Member of the Kara Duhe fan club since 2010 15:40, 22 October 2011 (UTC)
Think the Welsh got the epithet first. [4] Scream!! (talk) 15:47, 22 October 2011 (UTC)

[edit] Where andy stops pretending that trimming is anything other than ignoring

Difficultimg questions from RexBanner and once again gets slappedimg into the middle of next week by the estimable AugustO. Oldusgitus (talk) 07:34, 22 October 2011 (UTC)

I'm really glad that AugustO wasn't blocked for good by our resident parodists! larronsicut fur in nocte 08:30, 22 October 2011 (UTC)

[edit] Classic Andy quote I can't find

Hello, I have a question. If I remember correctly there is a place where Andy says the Conservative Bible is complete for all intents and purposes because the Old Testament doesn't really matter. Where do I find this quote? I tried all the obvious Google incantations but none worked for me. Halp plox? 85.187.128.76 (talk) 20:42, 22 October 2011 (UTC)

Well, if he said that he's actually somewhat right, though he, and a lot of other current christians, don't know it. The early christian church debated whether or not the Old Testament should be considered canonical, or whether it was irrelevant, and merely of historical use, in the light of the New Testament. Dendlai (talk) 04:34, 23 October 2011 (UTC)

[edit] Andy...I can't get away from him

I was looking through the Android documentation and found the trim() function. Andy's ruined everything for me. --Roofus (talk) 03:07, 23 October 2011 (UTC)

[edit] It's amazing that after a year Andy's stupidity can still suprise me

Me: Oracle, oh, oracle what is President Obama doing wrong now?

Oracle: He's trying to put people in jobs!img

Me: -.- Are you fucking kidding me?

--ʤɱ socialist 22:56, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

I hate to say it, but I'm with Andy on this one. Facebook sounds like a gimmick, not a serious jobs creation proposal. Phiwum (talk) 00:32, 22 October 2011 (UTC)
Well, it's a little difficult to pass a jobs creation proposal when there's serious opposition to that. By using an existing medium that a whole lot of people are already involved in, as part of an effort to match people up with employers, the whole thing sounds laudable, and very cheap. -Lardashe
To be honest, I don't think this is going to change a lot either. But I didn't read it that way — point 1: "Latest gimmick by the Obama Administration to try to lower unemployment for Obama's futile reelection campaign:" — point 2: "start a Facebook page for the unemployed, claiming that 'landing on this page can help Americans land a good job!'". So, I read it as in saying "He's only trying to put people in jobs so he can be reelected — and he's doing it through facebook…". Which makes me wonder how much of egotistical maniac Andy is, because he doesn't seem to understand that somebody would make somebody elses life better no matter if giver earns anything from it. Or how low of a human being Andy thinks Barack is. Or how much he has to hate Barack because he was so much more popular than him in, well, everywhere. --ʤɱ soviet 13:52, 23 October 2011 (UTC)

[edit] 90/10 is Back!!

Always a handy tool to stifle questions Andy is too scared/dumb/vain to answer.img Interesting that he's basically blocked one of his students and prevented him from sitting his tests.

In other news, what are the chances that we'll never see another homework exercise on CP again? --PsyGremlin말하십시오 09:52, 22 October 2011 (UTC)

Superb insight! 22/22 Intercourse (talk) 10:16, 22 October 2011 (UTC)
jpatt, no student gets 90/10img?. Feel free to talk. Well you know a student being 90/10'd now don't you johnny boy, or are you going to defend this block of der fuhrer andy's? Oldusgitus (talk) 10:09, 22 October 2011 (UTC)
Students getting 90/10? Wow, Andy's grade inflation has hit new heights. Redchuck.gif ГенгисOur ignorance is God; what we know is science.Moderator 13:21, 22 October 2011 (UTC)
Goodpost.gif Fun facts: Rex is more like 80/20, so Andy fails at math, and this block must mean students must contribute to Conservapedia. Isn't that... against some ethical rule or law, implying students must contribute to a wiki before asking questions? Questions which Andy refuses to answer... AndyToad.gifNorsemanCyser Melomel 15:55, 22 October 2011 (UTC)
Ah but you see, when a 90/10 block is challenged on the maths, the sysops come out and say they're applying the spirit of the rule, not the letter of the rule*. Andy in particular explains it away with his favourite Schlafly Reversal tactic: substance. He'll just say 90% of your edits are not substantive. (*Our 90/10 rule lacks this quote but I'm sure sysops have said something to that effect) ONE / TALK 18:07, 22 October 2011 (UTC)
There are only a few things in this world that give a clearer message what somebody thinks of other people than a teacher telling his student he talks to much because he talks to much with the teacher. I think Andy could just do himself a favor and put "Shut the fuck up! I know everything!" in his sig. --ʤɱ atheist 13:57, 23 October 2011 (UTC)

[edit] GustavM and the weather...

Lovely WIGO there, but did we not notice what GustavM actually said? I smells a troll...

Mr. Aschlafly, I cannot help but notice that throughout the history of your blog...

--TheEgyptiansig001.png 12:59, 22 October 2011 (UTC)

Troll or not, would've been hilarious if Andy declared against it, saying "THIS IS A WIKI!" despite everything to the contrary. AndyToad.gifNorsemanCyser Melomel 15:56, 22 October 2011 (UTC)
Andy did indeed take offense* once when someone referred to CP as a blog on talk:mainpage... he appears not to have noticed this time. *I like to think he let out an audible gasp at the time ONE / TALK 18:09, 22 October 2011 (UTC)
"Colder weather is evidence that the Democratic claims of a crisis of global warming are falseimg." Remember this the next time we have a heat wave, especially in the warmer months; any heat wave is now automatic evidence of global warming according to the Andy standard.--BMcP - Just an astronomy guy 00:22, 23 October 2011 (UTC)
Anybody else wonder if Andy keeps a scorecard of heat waves and cold weather? --ʤɱ anti-communist 14:00, 23 October 2011 (UTC)
Why would he do that? He never pays the slightest attention to anything that fails to confirm his opinions. Phiwum (talk) 17:54, 23 October 2011 (UTC)

[edit] Re-Election WIGO

I'm not sure where the person got they're info, but there was an election last night. and it was a landslide. What Andy fails to mention is that there where 9 other contendors to split the vote, none of whom had any sort of fund raising skills.--Thunderstruck (talk) 14:01, 23 October 2011 (UTC)

Since when are primaries and elections to office the same thing? --ʤɱ digital native 14:15, 23 October 2011 (UTC)
It is here sort of wikipedia:Nonpartisan blanket primary. See also the above source where it's made clear he was running against Democractic and independent opposition and that's he's won a second term. Nil Einne (talk) 14:21, 23 October 2011 (UTC)
The WIGO implies andy was off on the date of the election, posting victory two weeks early. That was not the case.--Thunderstruck (talk) 14:23, 23 October 2011 (UTC)
Wait a second, they only had the primaries and because Jindal won those so high there won't be any other election? That's a crapy system for everybody that doesn't vote in primaries… --ʤɱ constructivist 14:31, 23 October 2011 (UTC)
If I was wrong take it down or fix it please. --Opcn (with regards to regarding my regardliness) 20:46, 23 October 2011 (UTC)

[edit] Wikicide candidate...

Bit obvious, I know, but AugustOimg is definitely trying to commit wikicide. [1]img[2]img --TheEgyptiansig001.png 17:09, 23 October 2011 (UTC)

He's been trying to commit Wikicide, mon.--Colonel Sanders (talk) 22:44, 23 October 2011 (UTC)

[edit] Irony...

...thy name is Andykins.img -- Iscariot Andy Schlafly for Congress 2012! 21:06, 23 October 2011 (UTC)

just Andy's total lack of self examination, but funny. Scream!! (talk) 21:10, 23 October 2011 (UTC)
That's not hypocrisy. Andy doesn't have a minimum score. He just marks every question right no matter how wrong it is. --JeevesMkII The gentleman's gentleman at the other site 22:30, 23 October 2011 (UTC)
I remember a case or two he marked an answer wrong since it waz librul...--Colonel Sanders (talk) 22:43, 23 October 2011 (UTC)

[edit] ElvisPedia?

Almost as bad as Kenny's bestiality spree, prepare for the Trusworthy Encyclopedia on Elvis the Pelvis! But seriously, why is the Assfly allowing all these pointless articles? I mean, they deleted Super Mario World and a bunch of nonsense a while back for precisely the same reason....--Colonel Sanders (talk) 22:42, 23 October 2011 (UTC)

Because he`s the greatest conservative musician that did cocaine! --DurbinatorDurbinating 23:26, 23 October 2011 (UTC)
And the greatest conservative who divorced his wife and screwed bajillions of women! And was obese (I dunno about atheist though)! But damn Jimmy, that's a lot of Elvis!--Colonel Sanders (talk) 00:39, 24 October 2011 (UTC)
In no way is this as bad as Ken's dog buggering spree. If conservapedia had been nurtured and loved on rather than being tortured and executed it would be large enough that these articles on Elvis would fit right in. --Opcn (with regards to regarding my regardliness) 01:17, 24 October 2011 (UTC)
Damn it, he hit Ameriwiki too! Now I wanna see him hit aSK and see what happens! I'm all shook up!--Colonel Sanders (talk) 01:40, 24 October 2011 (UTC)

[edit] Earthquake!!!!

Something that happens all the time happened again yesterday. Therefore, the planet is only 6000 years old.img B♭maj7 (talk) Member of the Kara Duhe fan club since 2010 13:46, 23 October 2011 (UTC)

Andy's capacity to ignore all arguments to the contrary is really on display here. As long as a single source claims that the number of earthquakes double every year, who cares what the USGS says? Phiwum (talk) 14:37, 23 October 2011 (UTC)

[edit] Andy's PIDOOMA stats again

Sezimg Andy: "Large earthquakes have increased by more than 20% in only the last decade."
Sez Andy's source:

(Assuming "large" means greater than 5.9)
  • 2000 = 161
  • 2010 = 173 (7% up from 2000)
  • 2011 = 182 (13% up from 2000)

In addition, if we look at ALL earthqukes:

  • 2000 = 22256
  • 2010 = 21546 (3% down from 2000)

I think Andy's insights need updating. --PsyGremlinPrata! 16:08, 23 October 2011 (UTC)

No it doesn't. The Best of the Public approach means the dumber and more wrong you are, the more right you could be. --Sasayaki (talk) 17:02, 23 October 2011 (UTC)
Agreed. All those numbers and so-called "facts" are just attempts by liberal professors to censor debate and exclude the Best of the PublicTM. --TheEgyptiansig001.png 17:18, 23 October 2011 (UTC)
Was the quake anywhere near Mount Ararat? Karajou'll have to redefine his search parametersimg if so. Scream!! (talk) 18:07, 23 October 2011 (UTC)
I don't get Psy's point. Earthquakes were up 7% in 2010 and 13% in 2011. 7% + 13% = 20%. Andy is vindicated again! Phiwum (talk) 16:46, 24 October 2011 (UTC)
Please lean closer to your monitor, so I can bitch-slap you. --PsyGremlinSiarad! 16:49, 24 October 2011 (UTC)

[edit] BOOM! Down Goes AugustO!

Greek man got banhammered by Uncle Ed[3]img since Eddy was having a case of the bed bugs.--Colonel Sanders (talk) 03:04, 24 October 2011 (UTC)

Now that he's gone which one of us was he? --Opcn (with regards to regarding my regardliness) 05:48, 24 October 2011 (UTC)
Ed explains the block at AugustO's talk-pageimg:
Even if someone had been ignoring you, bringing it up in an insulting way is inappropriate. We have a meritocracy here. Earn your stripes and rise. Stand around complaining and get the boot. Godspeed. --Ed Poor Talk 23:04, 23 October 2011 (EDT)
larronsicut fur in nocte 07:26, 24 October 2011 (UTC)
In typical cult style it's considered meritorious to keep your mouth shut in the face of something wrong. Ed, You're a poor excuse for a lover of science. AugustO did quite a bit of meritorious work on the CBP. --Opcn (with regards to regarding my regardliness) 07:33, 24 October 2011 (UTC)
^-- This. Ed crossed the line between "jerk" and "FUCKING MORON" when he brought up the meritocracy concept against AugustO. Words fail me. --Sid (talk) 07:40, 24 October 2011 (UTC)
I was always impressed how selectively Ed spots insults! Point in case: PJR was rude in his eyes, while Bugler was only a little bit rough... --larronsicut fur in nocte 07:47, 24 October 2011 (UTC)
This sort of stuff from Ed really makes me shudder. How he reconciles his jolly 'Uncle-Ed'-the-great-arbitrator-and-people-manager with his authoritarian don't-question-the-powers-that-be-and-do-what-you-are-told goon character is beyond my comprehension. Redchuck.gif ГенгисOur ignorance is God; what we know is science.Moderator 07:54, 24 October 2011 (UTC)
Earn your stripes... it doesn't seem like that's really a viable course anymore. How long does it take sysops and admins to earn their position, compared to years ago?--ADtalkModerator 10:08, 24 October 2011 (UTC)
Promotion to admin now? Several months of nonstop sucking up at the very least, never using more than a single IP without written notification, plus maybe verification of identity. And even then it seriously depends on Andy's mood. Promotion to admin years before? "Hey Andy, we never met before and I won't even tell you my first name, but I hate Wikipedia and I think you're absolutely correct in everything! Can I have admin rights?" --Sid (talk) 11:31, 24 October 2011 (UTC)
I haven't been paying a lot of attention (I don't really read CP anymore, except for others' WiGOs), but hasn't it been ages since Andy created a new sysop? He grants blocking rights pretty quickly, but the last time I remember him granting anyone full sysop powers was nearly 2 years ago, when he made a big fuss about it, and we had a sort of pool on who the next would be. Has he made any since then? DickTurpis (talk) 13:34, 24 October 2011 (UTC)
You have to remember that Andy's not had much luck with sysops lately. Even from the old school PJR turned out to be a liberal, Rob gave in to the dark side, Jallen, Learn Together, Bethany and Sharon have all left in disgust, ditto Addison and Geo. TK turned out to be the traitor we all told Andy he was, Jessica wouldn't show Ed her panties, JacobB was a parodist, Douglas probably is a parodist. Ken is the biggest troll of them all. Given the paranoia over there, it would be pretty hard from them to admit a new comer to the inner circle. Oh yes, and there's the small problem of not having any genuine editors anymore. BUT THE SITE IS GROWING RAPIDLY! --PsyGremlinPrata! 14:15, 24 October 2011 (UTC)
Yes, there don't seem to be many legitimate editors anymore, besides CPalmer with his amusing block reasons and subjective pieces, JamesWilson and his random Elvis crap, and perhaps DavidE and KevinDavis...--Colonel Sanders (talk) 17:03, 24 October 2011 (UTC)
  • 19:46, 28 February 2010 Aschlafly (Talk | contribs) changed User:JacobB's user rights from Block, edit, SkipCaptcha and Upload to Block, edit, SkipCaptcha, Upload, Administrators, Oversighters and Siteadmin. ‎ (very well-deserved promotion to Sysop)
That's the last promotion to sysop at CP, after that there were only demotions (DeanS, TK, Geo.plrd, RobSmith and indeed JacobB) — Unsigned, by: LArron / talk / contribs 14:28, 24 October 2011 (UTC)
larronsicut fur in nocte 14:22, 24 October 2011 (UTC)

[edit] Translation software and Andy

"In this electronic age a laptop and a browser are superior to (and faster than) the finest Greek/Hebrew scholar." (I don't know how to do quotes). Really, Andy? Really? I guess that's why there isn't such a thing as interpreters and such. Text translation software has trouble with what should be relatively simple translations (like English to German), and he expects ancient greek or hebrew to english translations to be better than a human aware of the cultural significance of some terms? It's like he thinks all languages are the same, they just swap words around, which is the same problem I had when I tried to learn another language. When I was like 12. That Ken understands this is wrong when Andy either doesn't or refuses to admit so is... that is hilarious to me. Also I wish we saw this side of Ken more often, when he's in this mode he seems like a genuinely engaging debater that I'd enjoy talking to/debating with. X Stickman (talk) 09:12, 24 October 2011 (UTC)

If I had a sock to burn I would have asked him to punch AugustO's word into google translate and see if "at that moment" came back. (This is also discussed halfway up the page, look for " my favorite quote" or some such nonsense name) --Opcn (with regards to regarding my regardliness) 09:25, 24 October 2011 (UTC)
Well, tits. That'll teach me to read. X Stickman (talk) 09:32, 24 October 2011 (UTC)
Someone should find a passage of Greek from a relatively obscure text, i.e. which doesn't have an online translation easily available for Andy to look at (like the NT does). They should post the passage or a link to it and ask Andy to prove the efficiency of his online translation resources (and his own translation skill) by translating the passage -- for which he cannot just go look up an English translation. Of course he won't, but it might be worth a sock to see him ignore the request. It's a bit rich for him to make this claim, when it's not like the CBP has ever translated from scratch. I wonder if he would be so confident if he had to tackle an actual Greek text without an easily available translation to consult whenever he wants. I know a few Greek authors which don't have English translations available in the public domain...--MrBaby (talk) 14:36, 24 October 2011 (UTC)

[edit] Ole Kenny Boy gives us a shout out

Apparently he focuses on atheism, evolution, and homosexualityimg because that is where he is most effective. Ken, you are by far most effective at the things you are not trying at. --Opcn (with regards to regarding my regardliness) 09:42, 24 October 2011 (UTC)

Also he doesn't appear to have access to a medical dictionary and cannot figure out what acute means. --Opcn (with regards to regarding my regardliness) 09:54, 24 October 2011 (UTC)
Also Ken, we have won. You looked up the CBP I'm sure you can look up the rest of conservapedia as well. Your talk of rats and levers ignores the fact that a huge reward has been given. The only ones here on RW who have not won are the people like me, the conservatives who joined conservapedia to be conservative about things but wanted to see it factual, and successful, and just. --Opcn (with regards to regarding my regardliness) 10:12, 24 October 2011 (UTC)
Anybody else wondered why "Acute Conservapedia obsessive compulsive disorder" shortens to A-COC-D? --ʤɱ kant 10:25, 24 October 2011 (UTC)
That's a bit contrived... ONE / TALK 11:40, 24 October 2011 (UTC)
Gee, trolling Ken with doing what he believes to be stupid, how does it work? --ʤɱ digital native 13:59, 24 October 2011 (UTC)
Considering Kenny reads us compulsively and moderates his behaviour based on what is written here, can we say he has a Compulsive RationalWiki Attention Personality? --PsyGremlin講話 12:31, 24 October 2011 (UTC)
I see what you did thar :) --TheEgyptiansig001.png 18:25, 24 October 2011 (UTC)

[edit] On the other hand, I do have fun oversighting my revisions to my main page right posts for style/typo issues as I was told that certain obsessive atheists get frustrated when I do this.

You erred, Kenny, when you stated the aboveimg. Over the time I learned a little bit about the wikimedia software and I came to appreciate your little game:

  • All revisions are stored as plain text. For instance, the database of Conservapedia was increased by 300MByte in September 2011 by making comments alone, without the upload of images.
  • Even deleted revisions are still stored in the database, so your contribution made up 115MByte last September, more than five times of the space Andy's comments needed.
  • By using the preview-button, you could reduce the wasting of space by 60% - 80%, by thinking first, I'd say a reduction by 98% would be possible...

You may think that storage space is cheap. I'm afraid that's not the case here. Of course Andy has various methods to reduce the space needed, but it's quite probable that he'll fuck up Conservapedia when he tries to implement them. So, it's a win-win... larronsicut fur in nocte 18:46, 24 October 2011 (UTC)

Of course his whole point is as phony as his jobs, his being busy, his 90 day sabaticals, etc. He does it because of his obsessive need to hide his mistakes. He used to do it by burning pages until everyone got thoroughly fed up of having their talk pages deleted and recreated every five minutes when Kendoll reconsidered to wisdom of his latest spew. Now he just oversights what he can. --JeevesMkII The gentleman's gentleman at the other site 19:17, 24 October 2011 (UTC)
Ken - hello. Your rebelliousness towards Andy will not go unpunished, you realize that, don't you? Once Karajou gets wind of your Fifth Columnist tendencies, you'll be a Marked Man. I recommend you get some Hitler on the Main Page, and fast, else your motives will be misconstrued and misunderstood. Keep up the good work though, you're doing a fine job. DogP (talk) 20:38, 24 October 2011 (UTC)
I seem to remember that Ken said he was going to cease his gentleman message. I knew he couldn't help himself...Aceace 20:54, 24 October 2011 (UTC)
What Gentlemen messages are you referring to Ace? Check again, I think you'll find you're imagining such a message ever existed (as per two mins ago). You are displaying a high word-to-substance ratio Ace, you better watch your step. DogP (talk) 21:00, 24 October 2011 (UTC)

[edit] Heatwave!!

As luck would have it, we're melting down here. Temps between 38-42C for the Jo'burg-Pretoria area. So by applying Andy's locic, this must be a sign of global warming. Now if you'll excuse me, I'm taking this beer to the pool. --PsyGremlinRunāt! 11:51, 24 October 2011 (UTC)

Double it, add thirty... dang. It is hot there. MDB (talk) 11:53, 24 October 2011 (UTC)
Shit man, you guys are in for some superb high veldt storms later then aren't you. Oldusgitus (talk) 12:06, 24 October 2011 (UTC)
Hopefully. We've had exactly 1 storm (ok, and something that threw down 4 drops of rain) since summer started on 1 September, so anything would be quite welcome by now! Ironically, that storm was also the first tornado we've seen in gawd knows how many years and flattened 2 communities. Go figure. But you'd be a baby-eating liar and commie to suggest the weather is fucked up! --PsyGremlinKhuluma! 12:22, 24 October 2011 (UTC)
Actually, applying Andy's logic, it would mean that there was a liberal conspiracy to eliminate all weather stations in cold areas. Nebuchadnezzar (talk) 19:26, 24 October 2011 (UTC)
Clearly you're a fucking idiot, because it's winter now. Stop nitpicking and don't expect another repy now that I've come up with an excuse to ignore you. --Opcn (with regards to regarding my regardliness) 19:36, 24 October 2011 (UTC)
Denver hasn't has our first snow yet. We usually get one in Sept, and 5 or 10 in Oct. It's been 75 or higher for over 1/2 the month, and the average this month is 71. Course, our normal average for october is 52. Quite the difference. sheesh...Pink mowse.pngGodotTue pour toujours, et tu veux vivre aussi. 19:39, 24 October 2011 (UTC)

[edit] I have Google, I don't need to know how the language works.

Cause google translate work oh so fucking well, especially for hebrew. השם עֵבֶר מופיע במקרא כשמו של אחד מאבותיו של אברהם אבינו. המושג "עברי" נזכר במקרא פעמים רבות ככינוי לבני ישראל, אולם שמה של שפתם של העברים מכונה במקרא "יהודית".‏[2] (ושמא אף בכינוי "שפת כנען"‏[3]) ייתכן שכינוי זה - 'יהודית' - היה רק שמו של הניב שדובר בממלכת יהודה או באזור ירושלים (להבדיל מהניב של ממלכת הצפון, ממלכת ישראל). --- The name was listed in the Bible as the name of an ancestor of Abraham. The term "Hebrew" is mentioned often as a nickname for Israel, but the name of the language of the Hebrews in the Bible called "Jewish". [2] (and perhaps even as the "language of Canaan" [3]) may this term - 'Jewish' - was only the name of the dialect in question or the Kingdom of Judah in the Jerusalem area (as opposed to the Northern dialect of the kingdom, the kingdom of Israel). (Wow,better than I expected. but not "better" enough to base your translations on).--Pink mowse.pngGodotTue pour toujours, et tu veux vivre aussi. 18:56, 24 October 2011 (UTC)

[edit] Someone has been making kenny boy take his meds again.

Thisimg seems almost lucid and rational. Admitedly I did have to not show the 13 revisions it took him to create a moderately lucid post but there you go, some things will never change. Bonus point to ken for the implied slap to Mr. Schlafly and his predilictions towards the bottom. Oldusgitus (talk) 10:38, 23 October 2011 (UTC)

I don't think that Andy will even comment on this: it's lucid enough to be ignored... larronsicut fur in nocte 11:20, 23 October 2011 (UTC)
Excuse me while the hypocrisy makes me puke. Can anybody here imagine Ken's reaction if somebody other than himself had written that? There'd be allegations of being insincere, of being an atheist, of being a liberal, of not saying that atheists are the biggest mass murderers in history, with a million links back his essays. But because he says it... --PsyGremlinFale! 11:51, 23 October 2011 (UTC)
Wow... possibly the first thing that Ken wrote that I actually agree with in entirety... - I wonder how long before we start seeing CP:Conservative Bible Project and Bestiality though... Doraemon話そう!話そう! 12:14, 23 October 2011 (UTC)
Hmm, comparative lunacy. How does that work then? Redchuck.gif ГенгисOur ignorance is God; what we know is science.Moderator 13:01, 23 October 2011 (UTC)
A few more editsimg beyond the 13 with another point. Point #5 where Ken is talking about searches he has done is likely what started it - his SEO things and finding something that google shows highly (its one of the main sub headings when you search for conservapedia on google and when looking for it, there's not one positive thing anyone says (or even neutral if one excludes the main stream media), and Ken didn't write it) --Shagie (talk) 13:56, 23 October 2011 (UTC)
Either he's trying to make Andy angry or he's trying to prove that Andy is his bitch now and he's the only one who can get away with writing stuff like that. I still get the feeling that Ken thinks he can take over Andy's position as head of the wiki, of course he can't because Andy pays for it. Again, nothing's going to happen. I don't think Andy can be arsed to get angry with anyone anymore. The comment might still mysteriously disappear though.--Spud (talk) 14:22, 23 October 2011 (UTC)

Andy's reply: thanks, ken. Fuck off.img. B♭maj7 (talk) Member of the Kara Duhe fan club since 2010

Ken to Andy: This is still shit. Deleteimg. B♭maj7 (talk) Member of the Kara Duhe fan club since 2010 14:55, 23 October 2011 (UTC)
Fuck me with a barge pole. How to slap andy down AND prove irony is not dead in oneimg post.
He SERIOUSY says Lastly, I raised some legitimate points that you avoided addressing. Oldusgitus (talk) 15:15, 23 October 2011 (UTC)
Bugger me.... Ken pwns Assfly? NOWAI!!!!! --TheEgyptiansig001.png 15:24, 23 October 2011 (UTC)
What's interesting is that Ken has a potential ally in Karajerk, who made his feelings about the CBP very clear in the chat rooms. However, he must be pretty conflicted about now - his dislike of the project and need to side with Ken will be conflicting with his natural cowardice and need to stay in Andy's good book. What to do? What to do? --PsyGremlinKhuluma! 15:36, 23 October 2011 (UTC)
Will the cowardly duo find it in themselves to stand up to the dastardly Assfly?! Will our heroes defend the honest folks of Andyland?! Stay tuned and found out in tomorrows exciting episode! Same Ken-channel, same Ken-time! --TheEgyptiansig001.png 16:55, 23 October 2011 (UTC)
Boils down to:
  • Ken's Holy Book is TRUTH.
versus:
  • Andy has the only TRUTH.
Watch this space. Scream!! (talk) 17:01, 23 October 2011 (UTC)
Neither. I vote goat! --TheEgyptiansig001.png 17:11, 23 October 2011 (UTC)
Andy, it's really sad when you make Ken look like the reasonable one. Anyway, Ken seems to be getting cocky after his victory over Rob and is now flying too close to the sun.... --Night Jaguar (talk) 17:48, 23 October 2011 (UTC)
It's even sadder that Andy is losing a war of words with someone who is mentally ill. The peon revolt he can generally trim and ignore to death, but when one of his loyal toadies is threatening one of Andy's beloved projects, what is he going to do? I suppose he could threaten to demote and block Kendoll to shut him up, lack of access to CP would probably kill him. --JeevesMkII The gentleman's gentleman at the other site 18:32, 23 October 2011 (UTC)

Ken feels threatened by the CBP, and it has nothing to do with any of the reasons he stated. The CP Bible Project has generated far more media coverage than any of his pet articles. In fact it was the CBP that pretty much put CP on the map and Kenny can't stand it. He wants CP to be known for it's devastating Ken-Fu takedown of atheism and evolution, not for a laughable attempt at rewriting the bible by a bunch of morons. --Inquisitor (talk) 20:16, 23 October 2011 (UTC)

I think that that might be the reason Ken bothered to jump his crazy tracks, but several times in the Past Ken has shown that when he gets off his favorite subjects he becomes the most reasonable sysop at conservapedia. Credit where credit is due, Ken thought this out, developed a watertight case, and then laid it on the line. --Opcn (with regards to regarding my regardliness) 20:56, 23 October 2011 (UTC)

[edit] My favorite line

Andy: "In this electronic age a laptop and a browser are superior to (and fast than) the finest Greek/Hebrew scholar."img

I couldn't have written something that funny, though a computer is faster I will admit. --Opcn (with regards to regarding my regardliness) 21:01, 23 October 2011 (UTC)

The clapping sound? That's the sound of a million palms hitting a million foreheads in unison. What goes through Andy's mind when he types things like that. He can't really believe it... can he? --JeevesMkII The gentleman's gentleman at the other site 22:28, 23 October 2011 (UTC)
Meh, I use Google Translate when making block reasons in Russian. I don't actually know a lick. Schlafly brainfart big time.--Colonel Sanders (talk) 22:51, 23 October 2011 (UTC)
Andyimg: "designers of a masterful computer chess program that plays the game better than the finest chess expert in the world do not need to be good chess players themselves". Yeah, Googling a Greek/Hebrew word is just like programming Deep Blue. And computers can play chess just as well as they can translate centuries old religious texts. --Night Jaguar (talk) 01:41, 24 October 2011 (UTC)
I seem to recall big blue getting its ass handed to it the first time it went up against a grand master, then a bunch of chess masters were brought in to train it how to play chess and it came out and did much much better the next time in spite of having no additional computational power added. --Opcn (with regards to regarding my regardliness) 05:51, 24 October 2011 (UTC)
I'm more concerned with this line: "The objection to the Conservative Bible Project is like saying an engineer should not try to build a bridge unless he first becomes a master in trigonometry. That objection doesn't work, because the trigonometry is well-understood and modern challenges in building a good bridge have little to do with sine and cosine functions."... - Aside from the clear fact that Andy shouldn't be an engineer, he's fundamentally ignoring history that his "best of the public" concept doesn't work. When you take away expert knowledge and replace it with the "best of the public" in any way or form (countless examples in history: Mao's Cultural Revolution, Mugabe's land reforms, Idi Amin's expulsion of the Asians from Uganda, politically sensitive but Israel's retreat out of Gaza), the system collapses. Doraemon話そう!話そう! 09:48, 24 October 2011 (UTC)
Yeah, I spotted that too. For the record, an engineer ABSOLUTELY MUST become an expert in trigonometry to build a bridge. It's a necessity. Period. --Opcn (with regards to regarding my regardliness) 09:57, 24 October 2011 (UTC)
Well, I suppose Andy might be saying, "you don't have to do all the trigonometry with a pencil, paper and slide rule anymore, a computer does it", but you still have to understand trigonometry beforehand. MDB (talk) 13:47, 24 October 2011 (UTC)
A structural engineer who can't do vectors won't be a structural engineer for very long. I fear there's something wrong with Andy's brain. Nutty Roux100x100 anarchy symbol.svg 17:59, 24 October 2011 (UTC)

[edit] Ken

Just delete it. Delete every CBP article. Test the waters. Throw down the gauntlet. Let Andy know that you think only bestiality and obesity deserve a place in his project. (I'll even debate you if you've got the guts!) άλφαΤαλκ 13:27, 24 October 2011 (UTC)

Nice try, but Ken chickens outimg and begs Andy not to hurt him. Phiwum (talk) 16:43, 24 October 2011 (UTC)
Everyone already knows that Ken is a coward, though, so this comes as no surprise to me. άλφαΤαλκ 19:34, 24 October 2011 (UTC)

[edit] True beauty

You know, I don't think Andy's realised that when Ken gets his teeth into something, he doesn't give up.img

Andy, I don't buy that argument. The Bible is the best selling book in the English language. If the most of the common words that the Bible used changed meaning that rapidly, every major Bible publisher would come out with a new version each year and there would be a demand for it.

This is the best thing to happen to CP this year. --PsyGremlinПоговорите! 15:47, 24 October 2011 (UTC)

If you can show me that publishers have requested to publish the Conservative Bible Project work when it is published or show me any Bible produced by novices which sold well, I would be very surprised.
WIN ! B♭maj7 (talk) Member of the Kara Duhe fan club since 2010 15:52, 24 October 2011 (UTC)
Agree with above. I thought Rob vs. Ken was great, but this is definitely the most entertaining thing on CP this year (reminds me of the 'cripple fight' from South Park). It will be interesting to see the repercussions. --Night Jaguar (talk) 20:42, 24 October 2011 (UTC)
Glad to see Ken's out of the closet. Sorry I had to him for his dissension on CBP. nobsEmpty Recycle Bin 20:18, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
It's not cripple fight, Ken is kicking Andy's ass. --Opcn (with regards to regarding my regardliness) 23:50, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

[edit] Did Andy ever really say that?

In the middle of Kendoll's wall of CBP objection, there's this paragraphimg. Has Andy ever actually admitted he hates to admit when he's wrong, or is Kendoll confusing what we say about Andy with what he says about himself? --JeevesMkII The gentleman's gentleman at the other site 19:09, 24 October 2011 (UTC)

It almost doesn't matter if Andy said it or not. The fact that Ken is calling him out for it is the highlight of the year for me. B♭maj7 (talk) Member of the Kara Duhe fan club since 2010 19:15, 24 October 2011 (UTC)
And "admit" or not, the proof is in the pudding. Every single person there knows that Andy cannot and will not admit a mistake. He might say he is "wrong" but there is always a BUT saying "it's not really my fault, it's googles". "I'm not REALLY wrong, cause liberals changed the terms', etc. --Pink mowse.pngGodotTue pour toujours, et tu veux vivre aussi. 19:17, 24 October 2011 (UTC)
Liberals hacked my account! Wonder if he's ever used that one. Nebuchadnezzar (talk) 19:27, 24 October 2011 (UTC)
I'd lay good money he's never said it on-wiki. Maybe in an email - summat along the lines of hating to admit mistakes to evil, gloating internet liberals. --Robledo (talk) 19:29, 24 October 2011 (UTC)
Barack Obama's "world apology tour" manufactured by the wingstream media comes to mind... Occasionaluse (talk) 20:12, 24 October 2011 (UTC)
"...having a resistance to admitting your wrong is a bad characteristic to have and you did admit to having this characteristic and you haven't made the correction to your World History lecture even though their is a clear cut mistake which I pointed out."img This is pure CP gold. B♭maj7 (talk) Member of the Kara Duhe fan club since 2010 20:23, 24 October 2011 (UTC)
I wonder what could have possibly set Ken off on Andy? Karajou should give him a little lesson in respecting authority. Occasionaluse (talk) 20:24, 24 October 2011 (UTC)
We saw how vindictive Kendoll is during the Glassknobs incident. I've been wondering if Andy had a quiet word with him behind the scenes about how bestiality isn't perhaps terribly family friendly. --JeevesMkII The gentleman's gentleman at the other site 23:01, 24 October 2011 (UTC)

LMAO! Andy: What matters more? Worrying about my nonexistent expertise or keeping the Bible in line with our politics.img --Night Jaguar (talk) 20:34, 24 October 2011 (UTC)

Andy has indeed admitted to being wrong in the past - just very, very rarely indeed. Fucked if I can remember the incidents though....DogP (talk) 20:51, 24 October 2011 (UTC)
He admitted to being wrong on paltry issues in some articles, and some MPR submissions. I can count them all on my hand, but then I delete my hand and oversight it. AndyToad.gifNorsemanCyser Melomel 22:53, 24 October 2011 (UTC)

Oh man, ken's starting his coup d'etat of conservapedia. SOMEONE, GET THE POPCORN--Thunderstruck (talk) 21:42, 24 October 2011 (UTC)

It's a shame Kendoll's too stupid to set up his own wiki. The world needs yet another CP offshoot. I suppose he could do it on the cheap and use wikia like Ameriwiki. All hail Kendollpedia. --JeevesMkII The gentleman's gentleman at the other site 22:56, 24 October 2011 (UTC)
If Ken quits/gets banned over this, I bet all his essays get deleted, with some bullshit "not up to CP standards" excuse, in spite of what Andy said in the past. Just remember, we've always been at war with East Asia. Godspeed (talk) 00:55, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
Ken will push a little bit, but he knows that he's not and has never been part of the inner circle, so he won't push too hard and risk biting the hand that feeds him. At the end of the day he's a coward, and his only other alternative would be to open a blogspot or a wordpress that will get zero attention, except maybe from us...B♭maj7 (talk) Member of the Kara Duhe fan club since 2010 00:58, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
Ha! I like how Ken sucks up to Andyimg ("You obviously are capable of coming up with great ideas. For example, the birth of a conservative alternative to Wikipedia was a fabulous idea and something the internet needed."), then goes for another jab ("you haven't made the correction to your World History lecture even though their [sic] is a clear cut mistake which I pointed out"). Ken is dancing (unlike atheists) on thin ice. --Night Jaguar (talk) 01:01, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
Just imagine if your cat (or dog or hamster) suddenly turned and said: "You're very good at making cat/dog/hamster food, but you're rubbish at chess." Scream!! (talk) 02:59, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

Andyimg: I bet I can find liberal bias in the NASB/NKJV translation in under 15 minutes. Yep, seeimg.

Oh, Andy, you'd be able find "liberal bias" in the ingredients on a cereal box. Anyway, it's funny to see Ken and Andy now have only each other to argue with. --Night Jaguar (talk) 03:12, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

This argument is interesting. Ken is essentially saying, "hey, translating the Bible is serious stuff, there's a lot at stake, and there's a real problem if you do it from an ideological basis." Andy's counter-argument is basically to say "look here at the ideology." Remarkable. B♭maj7 (talk) Member of the Kara Duhe fan club since 2010 03:35, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
I find it interesting that all of the parodists (read all of the other remaining editors) have steered clear of this little dust up. --Inquisitor (talk) 04:22, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
Ken realizes he's playing with fire and bows outimg. --Night Jaguar (talk) 04:59, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
Pretty much the outcome I expected. Ken is just feeling out how long his leash is. --Inquisitor (talk) 05:20, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
Kens really not thinking while writting: "So I don't believe it is much of a discussion. Therefore, I am bowing out of this discussion." Eyebrow.gif --ʤɱ structuralist 09:27, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
I feel sorry for the guy. It must be really frustrating when you're trying to discuss a criticism with somebody and they utterly fail to respond to any of your points at all. Poor Ken! What has he ever done to deserve this? Phiwum (talk) 11:18, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

[edit] Karajou makes his move

Here's some more liberal bias.img. Who's a good little boy? Are you a good little boy? Oh yes you are!!! B♭maj7 (talk) Member of the Kara Duhe fan club since 2010 03:32, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

ah good old Kara. He had lots to say behind the scenes when the Andy Bible first came to light. Of course, his complaints were ignored and he's too much of a coward to confront Andy in public, because it might threaten the only bit of authority he's ever had. So in true sysop style he bends over and grabs his ankles. Psy — Unsigned, by: 82.145.211.136 / talk / contribs 04:03, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
What on Earth has that to do with the two versions that Andy mentioned? Redchuck.gif ГенгисOur ignorance is God; what we know is science.Moderator 08:05, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
Maybe Kara is trying his hand at stealth parody? The origin of The Message sounds somewhat familiar, especially this part: "His primary goal was to capture the tone of the text and the original conversational feel of the Greek, in contemporary English. Language changes. New words are formed. Old words take on new meaning." So Kara rambling about that "inaccuracy" pretty much mirrors AugustO poking Andy about the "behold vs. at that moment". Wonder if he's actually aware of that... --Sid (talk) 10:04, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

[edit] Falling Asleep

This is my favorite bit of the discussion so far which shows how stubborn Andy is when he gets an idea lodged in his head:

"He fell asleep - This is the usual mode of describing the death of saints in the Bible. It is an expression indicating:
(1) The "peacefulness" of their death, compared with the alarm of sinners;
(2) The hope of a resurrection; as we retire to sleep with the hope of again awaking to the duties and enjoyments of life. See John 11:11-12; 1 Corinthians 11:30; 1 Corinthians 15:51; 1 Thessalonians 4:14; 1 Thessalonians 5:10; Matthew 9:24." Source
This shows the limitations of relying on machines and dictionaries for translation. One needs to understand history, the language and the culture in which these texts were written in order to fully understand what is being said. --MatthewQ 00:20, 25 October 2011 (EDT)
The "language and the culture" for the English is today.--Andy Schlafly 00:29, 25 October 2011 (EDT)
Since you're translating something written nearly 2000 years ago in Greek/Hebrew then you should understand the language and culture of that time as well. Otherwise you end up distorting or leaving out important things, like that "falling sleep" is how the death of saints in described in the Bible for the reasons mentioned above. --MatthewQ 00:37, 25 October 2011 (EDT)
"Falling asleep" is a term in English. It was not used 2000 years ago.--Andy Schlafly 01:00, 25 October 2011 (EDT)
*sigh* Forget it.--MatthewQ 01:19, 25 October 2011 (EDT)

Indeed. CrundyTalk nerdy to me 08:37, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

After reading that I remembered that people at FSTDT keep asking how many times Phyllis dropped Andy on his head as a baby. --Night Jaguar (talk) 09:29, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
Um yes. St Sebastian must has just dozed off while they were using him for archery practice. --PsyGremlinПоговорите! 09:32, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

[edit] Damage to Ken's psyche

I was taking a huge crap and I got to thinking. If Ken does get banned/quits over his recent coup against Andy, what kind of damage do you think that will do to his mind, how will it affect his agenda and what will his next actions be?

For example, if Ken's essays get vaped and he gets a five year, does he have backups or is the world forever deprived of The Flying Kitty? How will he cope without the constant attention feed he so obviously needs? Will he go on a roaring rampage of revenge? Will we see Andy Schifflay and Beastiality? Is petty vandalism on the menu?

Hell, will he join RationalWiki? --Sasayaki (talk) 01:54, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

He joined Rationalwiki four years before you did. B♭maj7 (talk) Member of the Kara Duhe fan club since 2010 02:04, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
Andy really can't afford to lose anyone else at this point. Given that and his past defense of Ken, I think he'll let him stay, but that could easily change if things escalate. --Night Jaguar (talk) 02:13, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
The alternative is just for Andy to hand over the keys to Kendoll as permanent maintainer. It would be a graceful exit from this ongoing trainwreck that would allow him to avoid having to admit CP is a complete failure. If Andy were smart he'd retire now and let Kendoll do as he wills. --JeevesMkII The gentleman's gentleman at the other site 02:19, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
I find it just adorable that the nascent revolution among the Conservapedian proles has been pipped to the post by... a palace coup. Huzzah for the CP sysops! For once.... Ironclad (talk) 03:19, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
I suspect he'd just go and piss all over aSK full time. PJR still thinks there's nothing wrong with him. CrundyTalk nerdy to me 08:28, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

[edit] Karajou chooses his side

And in a move that should surprise no one, he's thrown in with Andyimg --Roofus (talk) 04:36, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

You should read a bit up the page under "Karajou makes his move." --Inquisitor (talk) 04:48, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
Yes, I should. --Roofus (talk) 04:49, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
Note to Karajou: Block his ass. User:Conservative has become an unwitting tool and useful idiot of the Rationalwiki cabal. nobsEmpty Recycle Bin 20:30, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

[edit] What is this "boycott" you speak of?

Just logged on and saw there is a boycott of CP. Can't find anything about it - did I miss something? --TheEgyptiansig001.png 13:01, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

Our resident punk has probably nailed too many studs into his forehead. Fixed. --PsyGremlinPraat! 13:17, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

[edit] A new morn, and Ken doubles down.

"Therefore, I am concluding that you do have some resistance to admitting error. I am not saying you do not have some openness to hearing others, but I do see evidence that you dislike admitting error. A good start in changing this trait would be to fix this error in your World History lecture."img B♭maj7 (talk) Member of the Kara Duhe fan club since 2010 13:24, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

I read that as "a new mom". Very strange. I'm kind of happy Ken's sunk his teeth into this matter. He's not just going to go away. Of course, he could have just fixed it himself, but it's more fun to make Andy look like a jackass. Although I'm assuming Andy has Karajerk in his corner, so it's not quite a fair fight. --PsyGremlinPraat! 13:28, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
As much as I enjoy Ken poking Andy, the "error" he cites seems to be an issue of semantics - I doubt that Andy would seriously argue that literally every source that ever existed is available today. Looks more like "We have many history books available to us, so we should use them all and not leave any out. Oh, btw. the Bible counts as a history book so I'll use that as a reliable World History source." --Sid (talk) 13:46, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
What I consider most telling about this exchange is that it's happeningly openly on the wiki. To me that's evidence (on top of the rumours - or did we already know this for a fact?) that Ken does not in fact have access to the supasikrit discussion group. ONE / TALK 14:01, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
He def wasn't in the Fab Five group, but was in the Conservapedia group - except everybody ignored him. Based on the latest info that's been passed on to me (Thanks Rob!!) I can answer a resounding "No." --PsyGremlinTala! 14:16, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
I like to imagine Karajou will froth a little and stamp his foot when he reads that. Good to know Rob is finally leaking some information. Does he still keep up the "I'm not telling you Ken's gender" pretense? ONE / TALK 14:35, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
Obviously he will have Andy's email address, so the only reason for having the discussion publicly is to grandstand and try to show Andy up in some way.-- Kriss AkabusiAAAWOOOGAAAR!!1 16:08, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
I can't help but think this whole discussion was just Ken trying to get our attention (he loves it after all). The CBP has been around for about 2 years now and while he has expressed concerns he's never been this public or this hostile towards it before. Or maybe, as someone mentioned above, Andy told him in private to cut it out with the bestiality shit. Anyway, it's odd that he decides now to start with this. --Night Jaguar (talk) 17:27, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
I imagine he's trying to establish his credentials with someone who strongly disapproves of the CBP. --Robledo (talk) 19:25, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

[edit] Madonna

Can't link now, but her family isn't gossip, unlike the estavez family. --Opcn (with regards to regarding my regardliness) 21:37, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

Links: MPR itemimg and Talk:Mainimg so far (also includes another section that was started in the middle of the discussion). --Sid (talk) 22:05, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

[edit] Plan B

It's well know that Ken - sitting in his tree-house and plotting the demise of atheism - sees himself as a great strategist. One of his idols seems to be wp:Otto von Bismarck, as he added to Conservapedia's articleimg on the Eisernen Kanzler (Iron Chancellor):

Negotiation ability and contingency plans

Otto von Bismarck was a brilliant negotiator who meticulously planned all his strategies well in advance. Through his clever diplomacy and negotiation tactics, Bismarck methodically convinced each of the small German states that it would serve their best interest to unite to “balance the power” of Europe.

For example, he always crafted detailed contingency plans in case his original plan proved to be unsuccessful. Bismarck endeavored to appease dozens of rival parties, usually with conflicting interests. His contingency plans often resulted in achieving his ultimate goals for a given situation.

He became so well known for his clever contingency plans that the concept of alternative backup plans became known as “The Bismarck Plan”, and eventually “Plan B”.Origin of Plan B

Then, afraid to have said to much, he deletes and oversights his contribution. So, Ken, what's your Plan B?

larronsicut fur in nocte 08:12, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

Aside: I would be very much surprised if the phrase "Plan B" had a damned thing to do with Bismarck. Just another pseudo-etymology, I'm sure, but one so obscure that I could find no other reference to it. Phiwum (talk) 11:13, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
Absolutely: I couldn't find anything about a Bismarck plan (or Bismarckplan as it should be called in German), so that etymological tidbit seems to be an invention... larronsicut fur in nocte 12:25, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
I find it pretty hilarious that Ken seriously uses a multi-level marketing site as a source to be used in an encyclopedia article about Bismarck. Speaks volumes about the place. --Sid (talk) 13:49, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
Well, well one of the criticisms of Amway (beyond "it's a pyramid scheme!") is that they're rather heavily tied to the Republican party and the Christian right. So it kinda makes sense he'd defend MLM... MDB (talk) 16:28, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
Those connections just make good commercial sense though. Remember Amway is not just a simple pyramid scam. Pyramids collapse, but Amway-style MLM structures persist. With a gifting pyramid or something like that, well a few months after you get the ball rolling the newspapers are full of stories about people who lost every penny and you'd better be on a plane to somewhere warm. So you don't need to care about the regulatory environment, or creating communities that foster gullibility and unquestioning trust of group members. But Amway's top people (the fraction of a percent who make real money from it) want Amway to be around in five years, ten years, maybe forty years. So for them these causes are an investment. 82.69.171.94 (talk) 10:23, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

[edit] I'm not sure how this math works...

(this section reinserted by me after it got erased in an edit conflict or something. B♭maj7 (talk) Member of the Kara Duhe fan club since 2010 16:30, 25 October 2011 (UTC))

... but climate change negatively impacting leaf peepability seems like the kind of thing that could put a crimp in Andy's day. 173.10.105.29 (talk) 16:13, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
Climate change was invented by liberals to support evolution and stop people reading the Bible.
Do try to keep up now. Godspeed (talk) 16:49, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
I was wondering why I was still seeing green in my backyard. I just thought it was because I was atheist and I deny the beauty of somthing I've seen 23 times over...--Thunderstruck (talk) 01:12, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
A)The forests will just move north. B) Increased CO2 levels mean more Anthocyanin production. If you grow cotton wood, which normally has rather drab yellow leaves, in high enough CO2 its leaves turn bright red in fall. --Opcn (with regards to regarding my regardliness) 20:32, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

[edit] When I think "liberal claptrap," two words always come to mind.

Rand Corporationimg. B♭maj7 (talk) Member of the Kara Duhe fan club since 2010 22:15, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

They do research. That qualifies. </cynicism> --ʤɱ socialist 00:20, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
lol--"Shut up, Brx." 01:11, 26 October 2011 (UTC)


Schlafly's responseimg--"Shut up, Brx." 01:14, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

Think again, liberal scum! It's scientifically proven that RAND is commie rot in the tank for the liberal media! Nebuchadnezzar (talk) 18:45, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
You expect me to read all of that? --"Shut up, Brx." 20:02, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

[edit] User: Conservative is like a dog with a bone.

I gotta hand it to him, our boy doesn't give up easy. After August/ErnestO makes Andy his bitch by taking up the "five random verses challenge" and showing him how bad those verses are, Ken chimes in: "Again, I recommend that if the CBP doesn't step up its game that it be deleted.img. B♭maj7 (talk) Member of the Kara Duhe fan club since 2010 18:07, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

He certainly is the T1000 of idiocy. I wonder if Andy grasps that he'll never give this up until either he's appeased or banhammered. --JeevesMkII The gentleman's gentleman at the other site 18:18, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
Or knocked into a pool of molten Lead. WeaselNation (talk) 18:38, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
An Andy/Ken showdown would be sweet to watch indeed, and might just spell doom for CP. It's also possible that with Ken gone Conservapedia might flourish under a new era of "less batshit."--"Shut up, Brx." 18:54, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
Perhaps, but only slightly less batshit WeaselNation (talk) 18:56, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
We all know that, when it comes down to it, Conservative is a complete chickenshit. He might occasionally mention his dislike of Andy's New and Improved Word of God, but he won't make a sustained, serious issue of it. Just as he pretends that he's keen to debate an atheist, just so long as they are famous, important and willing to donate some stupid amount of money to do so. When push comes to shove, Conservative will shut the hell up so that he can continue to post his remarkable "satire" (what does that word mean, anyway?) on Conservapedia. Phiwum (talk) 19:40, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
Yeah, but he's been slapping people's faces around with his e-peen a lot recently, with going off on TK and getting Rob blocked among other things.--"Shut up, Brx." 20:01, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
Behaviour rewarded is repeated they say. Kendoll has begun to realise he's the big cheese at CP now. Of course he's far too stupid to realise that he's going to be mayor of a ghost town. --JeevesMkII The gentleman's gentleman at the other site 20:52, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
The ghost town problem is why I don't think Andy will banhammer Ken. The number of major, long-term "contributors" (and I use that term in the loosest sense possible) to CP can be measured on one hand, and Ken is by far the most active poster on the site. Without Ken, the activity level of the site would drop drastically, and it would be nothing more than Andy's padded cell. OTOH Andy can't really let the CPB go without sacrificing the credibility of the "Chain of Command".
Andy's only real hope is to get fresh blood into CP, but under the current regime that is impossible. Unless Ken does back off (perhaps by getting Karatard to warn him off without actually banning him) something will have to give pretty soon. I am not one who normally goes for prophesying the End of Days for CP, but I think that right now the whole CP project genuinely is on the brink of the abyss, and is only a few nudges away from tipping over. (not saying it would go offline - I don't think Andy has it in him to pull the plug in the foreseeable future - but rather a cascading crisis being triggered by Ken's depature. A drop in activity across the board setting off a vicious cycle of the remaining editors loosing interest, another fall in activity and so on...) --TheEgyptiansig001.png 22:56, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
I love that Ken is crapping on Andy's projects. It's like a golem turning against his master. WẽãšẽĩõĩďWeaselly.jpgMethinks it is a Weasel 23:10, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
More like a demon escaping its circle after slowly and subtly subverting his master's plans. The golem was originally pure. btw, I'll respond to your comment on Godot's talk page later. I lost it by accidentally going "back" and my browser doesn't remember lqt text--"Shut up, Brx." 23:24, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

[edit] Kendoll is weird, Andy is down with the kids.

Kendoll, ever obsessed with all things related to a certain search engine beginning with G, offers this fascinating itemimg. Andy, just to show he's down with the kids, chimes in to wish "MC" good luckimg. I wonder if he realises MC is a job title, not his name? --JeevesMkII The gentleman's gentleman at the other site 20:59, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

Oh, oh. And his standards are high when it comes to newsimg. There's always a new fail at CP, even after all these years. --JeevesMkII The gentleman's gentleman at the other site 21:04, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

As usual, the missing revision (931334) is the most amusing, as it is typical for Ken. On a closer look, it was Aschlafly who wrote at 2011-10-26T19:29:44Z the comment titled: "Would "MC" like to incorporate special searching on Conservapedia?":

Google is about to be hammered by a competitor.[5] Would "MC" like to incorporate special searching on Conservapedia?

I don't know who deleted it, but I'd think that it was Andy himself. larronsicut fur in nocte 21:29, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

Coming up soon in CP's essay space: Ponies vs. Atheism - Ponies win! MC Discord wins! --Sid (talk) 22:13, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

[edit] SanFran wheelchair ramp

If they did not build the ramp (or at least move the meeting held there to another room), then the townhall would have been in breach of The Americans with Disabilities Act of 2000, and possibly The Americans with Disabilities Act Amendment Act of 2008. Let's see, who signed those in... It was Bush and Bush. I assume part of the cost was to make the ramp in keeping with the building's existing décor/style under the National Register of Historic Places, which was signed by LBJ. CS Miller (talk) 15:05, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

Damned handicapped people anyhow. First they demand courts hire ASL translators to do that gesture thing - deaf people could just read the transcripts; then they demand that vets be taken care of - i say if the guy was a good soldier, he'd not have been hit in the first place; now they want RAMPS, and pretty ones. hell, if htey need ramps so bad, they can build them on their own time. Pink mowse.pngGodotTue pour toujours, et tu veux vivre aussi. 15:14, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
I gotta admit, $515,000 for a ramp is a bit extreme. I'm sure they could have built one for much less. DickTurpis (talk) 16:05, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
Depends on what you are trying to do. The 4 ramps at the Colorado Capital building ran well over a mill, cause like this building, that one was a protected Historical Building, with lavish wood work, marbleing, etc. to just "throw on a ramp" would have been a travesty. As it was, they had to remove a hand carved guide rail made of some rich red wood, with intricate designs all along it. Having not seen this ramp, I'm wondering if it's tossed in the back, where a few grand would have made a concrete ramp, or if it was worked into the front as part of the show peice of the old building.--Pink mowse.pngGodotTue pour toujours, et tu veux vivre aussi. 16:14, 25 October 2011 (UTC) (ec)
On a budget of 6.8 billion-with-a-b-dollars, a half million is negligible. B♭maj7 (talk) Member of the Kara Duhe fan club since 2010 16:15, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
The article implied that it is an internal ramp, not for the front steps, but for an internal dais staircase. CS Miller (talk) 16:27, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
I have mixed feelings about disabled access legislation. While I agree that it should be included whenever possible in new building design just how far should we go in retrofitting the whole world? For 4 years I rented a new apartment in Europe; it had 1 metre-wide doors and the WC door folded completely back so that someone could move sideways from a wheelchair onto the toilet seat; however, I remember one restaurant in Tuscany in a mountain village reached by a steep cobbled street with steps within the dining area (completely wheelchair hostile to access and move around in) but the bathroom had more hand and grab rails than you could shake a stick at. Even Mrs. K, who was an occupational therapist, thought it was ridiculous. In the Gulf of Mexico they have to make the oil production platforms wheelchair friendly yet for safety reasons anyone who was disabled enough to need a wheelchair would not be allowed on the helicopters. Redchuck.gif ГенгисOur ignorance is God; what we know is science.Moderator 16:54, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
the law firm I do research for (pays the bills, you know), has a fire department as one of the clients. They have an upstaris that is ONLY for the firefighters - not for anyone public. But they were told they had to build handicapped bathrooms, showers, and an elevator. Cause you know how many active fire fighters are in wheel chairs. It cost them nearly 1/2 million to do the renovations, cause they literally had to pull a wall and rebuild it, to put in the elevator. Pink mowse.pngGodotTue pour toujours, et tu veux vivre aussi. 16:58, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
This is something completely off the top of my head so I don't know if this is included in the reasoning for wheelchair ramps, but anything that is "wheelchair accessible" is also going to be very good for emergency services, especially ambulances. For those wheeled stretchers they use. I know they have methods of getting people down stairs without a ramp/lift, but it must be easier to strap them into the stretcher and roll them down a ramp than strap them to those carry boards and carry them down a potentially spiral staircase. X Stickman (talk) 17:16, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
Judging front he blurb on the mainpage, it isn't the fact ramps that are being built for disabled people is the issue but the fact it costs $51,500 per linear foot, which is pretty ridiculous when you think about it.--BMcP - Just an astronomy guy 18:32, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
Have you read all of the above posts about this being a heritage building and how that means you just can't lean some plywood on stacks of cinder blocks? B♭maj7 (talk) Member of the Kara Duhe fan club since 2010 19:05, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
We can. Andy just sees "ramp costs half a million dollars", remembers Obama is in charge, and flips his shit. X Stickman (talk) 20:03, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
It was Jpatt, not Andy. Looking at what is posted and what isn't normally gives you a good take on what they tried to emphasize. In this case it's the fact that it happend in SanFran and that a "city administrator" is proud of it (they make it look like they are proud to "waste" some money). What is left out on the other hand gives you a good idea what the reality is: Heritage Building - have you seen those stairs?, somebody actually complained and that they are obligated to do stuff like this by law. I think the only other option is to get sued, pay millions to people in wheelchairs, repeatedly say that you are sorry and then built a ramp for an equally high price. --ʤɱ libertarian 20:18, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
To be frank, woudln't an elevator have been cheeper and more attractive. those stairs are divine. how do you ramp them and not destroy the look. and remember, it's not like you can ramp right up the stairs, you need a slow grade, so it's going to be 2 or three times as long as the stiars themselves are. --Pink mowse.pngGodotTue pour toujours, et tu veux vivre aussi. 20:44, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
You are right, an elevator would have been much better, but what do you do if the elevator breaks down? Some problems can't be fixed in 24 hours. . Senator Harrison (talk) 23:53, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

It is not the mainstair well but the accessing the President's box in the chamber. They only had to overcome minor things like the entire chamber is built in wood from a tree that is now extinct. - π Moderator 00:06, 26 October 2011 (UTC) $515,000 for a ramp? That's a bit steep. Heh heh. Geddit? You see what I did there? DeltaStarSenior SysopSpeciationspeed! 14:53, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

[edit] Is it just me, or...

is this storyimg really old? Did Andy just discover this? άλφαΤαλκ 23:03, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

I guess to be fair, the coroner results are new. Apologies. άλφαΤαλκ 23:04, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
Even then, posting that she is dead like if it was breaking news shows that he did not read the note. He already corrected that after some comments in the talk page. --Tlaloc (talk) 01:35, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
"It took 3 months for officials to admit the obvious: yes, 27-year-old singer Amy Winehouse died from an overdose of alcohol in England."img 1. Don't you mean "atheistic England?" 2. Was there ever any talk that "officials" were stalling on announcing a cause of death? B♭maj7 (talk) Member of the Kara Duhe fan club since 2010 01:51, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
Yes, why bother with all those pesky liberal "post-mortems" and "inquests" when Andy just knows the truth. Cantabrigian (talk) 10:06, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
Well he knew the 'truth' about Gary Coleman didn't he and then didn't correct the 'truth' when those inconvenient things called facts proved hime wrong so why should he care now. Oldusgitus (talk) 10:41, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

[edit] Saintly North Dakota

This discussion was moved to RationalWiki:Saloon_bar#Saintly_North_Dakota. 04:53, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
I had put this here because North Dakota is one of Ken's favorite places for antiatheism purposes, he mentions it often. --Opcn (with regards to regarding my regardliness) 07:22, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
Another red phone call from kennyimg. Dance little man, dance for your masters. Oldusgitus (talk) 11:58, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
Oh Ken be quite, be a good boy, bend over and take it from Andy like you are suppose to. He can rewrite the bible if he wants and you are his bitch so let him. Pimobile (talk) 12:05, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
That reads like Ken just had a stroke… --ʤɱ structuralist 13:54, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

[edit] Persistent (Vegetative) Andy

I swear Andy made a fuss about exactly the same story as this MPRimg a while back, but I can't dig it out of the archive. Anyone else manage to summon the right search terms? --JeevesMkII The gentleman's gentleman at the other site 18:10, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

The whole euthanasia thing with conservatives has always yanked my chain. It's somehow OK to bomb the bejeezus out of a country, and yet people are not allowed to die in dignity. Crazy. Jimaginator (talk) 20:05, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

[edit] Fun with translators

Start with a brilliantly written piece, how about this snippet'o'gold?

I have enjoyed personally teaching more than 200 homeschooled teenagers in 17 different courses since 2002.[1] These classes have been open at low cost to everyone, including persons with learning disabilities. My courses covered the material for a full-year public school course in just one semester, meeting only one day a week. Now taught on Conservapedia, student achievement increases even more here due to the "Hawthorne effect" (one's work improves when there is review by others).

Then translate to Hebrew, then Greek, then Latin, then back to English!

I myself rejoiced that the doctrine of the 200 course for homeschooled teenagers 17 to be different in 2002. [1] To all those figures were available at low cost, even the people learning difficulty. The entire matter of months the roof of course be a public school one year, meeting the week, one day. Learn about Wiktionary now, bow your page or more is increased by the "so called Hawthorne" (finds fault with the work, while the others better).

Amazingly nothing is lost in translation! Go technology! --Opcn (with regards to regarding my regardliness) 23:58, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

Not even close to describing what the Hawethorne effect actually is - Garbage in, Garbage out. Tielec01 (talk) 00:06, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
Yes, the fact that I put garbage in could also have something to do with getting garbage out. --Opcn (with regards to regarding my regardliness) 00:12, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
I'm willing to bet that if you put in a Ken screed, the end result would be more legible. Vulpius (talk) 01:04, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
^win. Let's try Bad Translator and some classic Schlafly. Quote:
There's a broader point here. Why the big push for black holes by liberals, and big protests against any objection to them? If it turned out empirically that promoting black holes tends to cause people to read the Bible less, would you still push this so much? Certainly there is no practical justification to pushing black holes; no one will ever be helped by them in any way.
After 10 translations:
Cavity. Liberal and important events, a big black hole, against opposition led to a loss of thrust? So they could search career black hole, causing many people to introduce testing samples of the rules of the Show? Of course, the black hole pointless policy support; a useful or.
Reads like bad poetry. I didn't think it was possible to get Andy to make less sense. --Night Jaguar (talk) 01:28, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
I put "godspeed" through that a few times. I was kind of hoping for some variant on "fuck you" out the other end, but the most interesting I got was "I line ships." --JeevesMkII The gentleman's gentleman at the other site 02:20, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
Oh, "You can not have this problem!" that's a bit closer. --JeevesMkII The gentleman's gentleman at the other site 02:24, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
I got "liberal claptrap" to come out as "Fair play for free". --Inquisitor (talk) 02:49, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
Okay, I had to do another:
The implications of Conservapedia's Law are striking. Over the long term, politics and culture cannot withstand the more powerful forces of logic and language. Conservapedia's Law ensures that a free society will, over time, inevitably become more conservative regardless of the best efforts of liberals.
After 10 translations:
Wiki can see the effect of law. In the long run, politics and logic, culture, language, and can be a powerful motivator. Vicky has a right to a free society where freedom is, despite all efforts to be more conservative.
I think if I put passages from the Conservative Bible Project the thing will explode. --Night Jaguar (talk) 02:54, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
This needs its own page. --Revolverman (talk) 03:08, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
Some actual bad translations:
"Deny this and lose all credibility" -> "I have lost all confidence in the presence" (HA!)
"Last Wordism" -> "Vordism completed"
"Defensive weapon of gun" -> "The use of weapons"
Not bad. --Night Jaguar (talk) 03:11, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
OK, just one more.
After 50 translations...
"Does not withstand scrutiny" -> "Fear of work" (Heh! I couldn't agree more) --Inquisitor (talk) 09:02, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, I did this too and was most amused at the results. But, in fairness, let's be clear - these tests are not relevant to testing Andy's theory - that the ancient languages can be translated on the internet . What we need is an actual piece of ancient Greek or Hebrew, translated once by machine, and once by expert translator, and compare the two. Mangling a piece of English through a few languages proves nothing. Anyone got any leads on such a thing? DogP (talk) 17:27, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

Here's one for English to Latin. Might help. MDB (talk) 19:04, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
Tried doing it with Translation Party? ADK...I'll stink your anything! 15:00, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
I'm quite concerned about the part where it goes to "In 2002, we dirty in my young teens" ADK...I'll repair your squid! 15:02, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
So your translator speaks fluent Ed Poor then? --PsyGremlinZungumza! 15:28, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
Even worse, I just noticed, that it ends the run with "...add the skeptical Conservapedia to improve the performance of today's students" ADK...I'll cruise your antidisestablishmentarianist! 15:03, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

Speaking as someone who has to work in two languages I'm pretty sure that none of the current auto-translators will ever be that good. Problems include: register - you use different language under different circumstances, speaking to your wife your boss or writing for RW; idiomatic expressions - "raining cats and dogs"; culturally specific references - Monty Python jokes don't work in Spain; sentence construction - for instance, in Spanish there is sometimes little difference between a sentence and a paragraph which really buggers up the auto translate from Spanish; grammatical errors, lexical errors and spelling errors - a human translator can read something incorrect and think, "Ah what he meant was ...". There are more issues but that's enough.

And that's between two modern languages. If you then consider the impact of all this and apply on top a much greater cultural and temporal gap of a few thousand years - then using an automatic translator is utter stupidity.--BobSpring is sprung! 15:49, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

Spanish? Psshaw!. Monty Python jokes work in German. Redchuck.gif ГенгисOur ignorance is God; what we know is science.Moderator 19:27, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
This is amazing. I entered a Carl Sagan quote:
"For small creatures such as we the vastness is bearable only through love."
And got this:
"Small creatures such as we just love a huge pain." --Ag Bengip (talk) 22:59, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

[edit] Is RW Ken's biggest audience?

Well? Ajkgordon (talk) 12:10, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

His only, he doesn't even make fstdt like Andy does. Pimobile (talk) 12:11, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
yes. larronsicut fur in nocte 12:15, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
Probably, though there is a popular CP thread over at SomethingAwful and like many SA threads probably has a lot of lurkers who click through. RW also has lurkers so it's going to be difficult to measure. ONE / TALK 12:43, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
What about everywhere else he writes? Ajkgordon (talk) 12:47, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
He tends to get ignored there too. There's an article somewhere we I looked at the net's reaction to Ken's stuff, and even where he socks up and posts to Christian forums, there's generally no reply to his posts. That might be more a reflection on CP than Ken, however. --PsyGremlinKhuluma! 13:01, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
I would say where are the biggest non lurker/semi lurker group that follows him, as theres definitely plenty of people who read the stuff on CP/kens writings without being here or anywhere we know about--il'Dictator Mikalosa (talk) 13:41, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
Citation needed please? I have never seen cp refered to anywhere, except mockingly and in passing, anywhere other than here and occasionally fstdt. shockofgoat does not count. Oldusgitus (talk) 13:51, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
Yes and he plays and reacts to his audience accordingly; it's pretty apparent from the posts that he writes. Ken doesn't write for CP, he writes for RW even if he is not willing to admit it.--BMcP - Just an astronomy guy 13:59, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
Because not everybody who goes to CP is on RW? Like i said, if i had to guess we are the biggest non lurker group, as i know plenty of people who dont go here or really anywhere, and do mock CP on a regular basis--137.48.201.20 (talk) 14:47, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
So, let me get this straight.
Ken spends a large proportion if not most of his waking life posting on the internet in a seemingly sincere belief that he is winning a battle against atheism, evolution, homosexuality and liberals.
Let's say that half his postings are to CP and the other half are to a range of sites where there is at least partial overlap with his obsessions. He also spends some time liaising with these ridiculous characters like ShockofGod.
Occasionally he gets a hit from the likes of Jillette. And he has had some of his CP articles quoted by various bloggers and news sites. But only occasionally.
On the non-CP sites where he posts, he is largely ignored.
On CP he is largely tolerated but ignored by the genuine CP faithful.
His most attentive audience is RW.
Apart from the most feeble ego-stroking from Aschlafly and perhaps kind words said by ShockofGod, all the attention he generates is negative.
And yet it appears he is genuinely convinced of his effectiveness (as well as the small side issue of his anonymity) in this great culture war.
How does one get quite so delusional? Ignoring pop analyses of mental problems made here, what is the mechanism for this cycle of self-deception?
I don't get it. Ajkgordon (talk) 19:01, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
Because he believes his cause is righteous; with God on your side how can you do wrong, or fail?--BMcP - Just an astronomy guy 19:47, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
No, that's not it. There are lots of religious people (or even anti-gay or anti-evolution) who believe their cause is righteous but who do not rely on awful hackneyed "campaigns" like Ken's. Ajkgordon (talk) 20:11, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
It's because he sees us as the enemy and therefore anything that pisses us off is a victory. So when we point out dumbass things he's done and do a community wide facepalm, Ken goes "a-ha! It's working! I've got those damn atheists all riled up!" He thinks we're pissed off because he's shattering our world view, not because our brains are exploding trying to comprehend his idiocy. X Stickman (talk) 20:36, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
I would agree with the above statement (as Ken cannot fathom or figure out that the people here do not all share the same beliefs). I would still argue that he also sees his cause as just and righteous. It was pointed out most religious people believe in the righteousness of their cause but not write in such a hackneyed method, this is true. However it isn't the religious belief that makes Ken write so poorly, he just simply really sucks at writing persuasive speech (and doesn't understand what "satire" means).--BMcP - Just an astronomy guy 22:45, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
Oh absolutely. I'm sure Ken sees his cause as just and righteous. And no, of course it's not his religious belief that makes him write so poorly.
What I don't understand is the mechanism by which he persuades himself that he is so influential or that his various campaigns, essays, and articles actually persuade anyone who is not already a creationist or loony conservative. Sure there is the odd parodist who publicly congratulates him and the infrequent faint praise from others at CP and his YouTube buddies. Surely not enough though.
I still don't get it. Ajkgordon (talk) 14:09, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

[edit] Conservative and mental illness

I see repeated assertions linking User Conservative and mental illness. One can say that If conservative spends so much time on conservapedia, it/they/he/she needs to be bonkers. But, has conservative shown any symptoms of mental illness as defined by any classification systems like DSM IV. Anyone with medical experience here. What about the theory that it is a bot? I was really surprised by the lucid thoughts and clear arguments conservative demonstrated against Andy on the topic of CBP. A world away from the usual crap he produces. --Buscombe (talk) 19:21, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

I think he's actually admitted to being on medication for some kind of disorder in the past, and has mentioned that he's stopped taking it at various points. I'm not entirely sure though because that's before my time. X Stickman (talk) 19:40, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
Diagnosing anyone over the internet is silly. He's just a fuckin' idiot! Scream!! (talk) 19:44, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
I think Conservative does have a mental illness, probably a severe case of obsessive compulsive disorder, but he is not retarded. Even his "essays" are not the work of a retarded person. --Tlaloc (talk) 19:49, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
I agree that diagnosis is silly, but it's pretty clear that either Conservative is mighty delusional or having us on. His dreams that Question Evolution! will halve the number of atheists in the world are just plain delusions. I don't mean that in any clinical way (is delusional a psychiatric term? I wouldn't know), but as a plain statement of fact: his purported beliefs have no basis in reality. Phiwum (talk) 21:26, 27 October 2011 (UTC)


I won't judge Ken's state of health - the only thing I can say is that he should try to get some sleep.

I was really surprised by the lucid thoughts and clear arguments conservative demonstrated against Andy on the topic of CBP.

I don't think so. These thoughts may appear more lucid as they are right - but this is just an accident :-) Look at his comment:

ErnestO seems to be correct in a lot of instances. For example, as far as Romans 3:23, the New Testament generally refers to Christians as saints and not sinners. For example, the Apostle Paul when writing to various churches refers to believers as saints and not sinners. For more information, please see: http://www.bereanpublishers.com/Important_Issues/are_christians_sinners_or_saints.htm#_Toc499463048 This is an example of why it is helpful to know about theology and ANE culture when translating. I don't have time to get into why ANE culture applies to translating the Romans 3:23 verse. Again, I recommend that if the CBP doesn't make significant changes on how its done and step up its game then it should be deleted. Conservative 11:22, 26 October 2011 (EDT)


  • you have the odd repetition of words - in this case example (highlighted by me)
  • he needed at least four revisions to get it right
  • there is his typical evasion technique: I would smash you, but I don't have the time

In short: even when Ken is right, he uses the same faulty rhetoric as when he's wrong. Nothing lucid there. larronsicut fur in nocte 22:42, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

Dance, monkey, danceimg larronsicut fur in nocte 06:36, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
I don't think Conservative suffers from a mental disorder to any severe degree. I think he's a touch bipolar, with more than a splash of OCD, but that's about it. During his depressive phases he tends to perform minor housekeeping on his pet articles, does a bit of talk page bullying, and bans the occasional user. During his manic phases we see a burst of new articles on his current cause du jour. Regardless, any perceived mental illness does not accurately encompass the whole of his behavior. Mental illness alone does not adequately explain his 24/7 CP editing habit. He may suffer from some sort of physical ailment that forces him to live as a shut-in, for it's quite clear by his editing habits that he's not caring for himself. He simply does not spend enough time away from CP to attend to the routine chores of daily life. Going to work or school, shopping, preparing meals, watching TV, spending time with friends, making love, bathing... whatever. Nor does his extended editing pattern show any intermittent gaps due to travel, holidays, weekend getaways... nothing. In any case, he's a sad case no matter how you slice. --Inquisitor (talk) 23:26, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

Jesus Christ, he would be reading this and loving it. You know we are his only audience, and other than the occasional offer for free food from some nondescript university people, the only attention he gets. The whole "atheists are fat was" just to get us talking about him, even he knows that it was the worst kind of logical fallacy imaginable. Don't pay attention to him and he will do something else, who knows it could be funnier. - π Moderator 23:34, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

(ecX2)I don't know about mentally ill, but Ken definitely lacks social skills and is a terrible writer. His deeper problem is one he shares with other creationists: absolutely no curiousity about ideas, his own or other people's. (Lack of curiosity isn't a bug for creationists, it's a feature: PJR is the master at this.) That's why his comments come across as disjointed or unresponsive.
You need to remember that he is not trying to actually consider what you have said and respond to it coherently, he's just trying to figure out which pre-fabricated creationist argument he can plug in to the conversation. You don't actually have discussions with him and PJR, because they are completely uninterested in what you have to say. All they're trying to do is, in Rayment's case, figure out which creationist trope is closest to what you're talking about or, in Ken's case, what "creationist taunt" (mighty un-Christian there) or exit strategy he can use (or, probably, some combination of the two). Godspeed (talk) 23:34, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
WARNING - CREEPINESS AHEAD* I asked my wife, who is a clinical psychologist at our local hospital, and she said (after repeatedly telling me "You can't diagnose someone on the internet!". But whatever), from the little she's read/heard about Ken, that he seems to fit a lot of the signs for Histrionic Personality Disorder, and that (wait for it...) his editing on Conservapedia may be fulfilling a sexual desire. Carlaugust (talk) 23:54, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
So, Ken needs to get laid? Not to diminish your wife's professional expertise, but (over the internet or not) I could have told you that. Godspeed (talk) 00:03, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
Ken's never getting laid, he's too afraid of contracting gay bowel syndrome. --Inquisitor (talk) 00:07, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

As someone who has only read the first post, on account of being mightily pissed (in the British sense) after three bottles of wine, I can say with absolute authority that you can have a serious mental health problem and still be capable of lucidity. I say this as someone with severe mental health problems who, hopefully, manages to write 90% lucid posts. Even with something like psychosis and obsession, delusion only occurs within those area that you are delusion about. Outside of those areas, you tend to be pretty much lucid. To give an example (not me by the way, my delusions are a little to complex to explain without an accompanying essay):

Say, for instance, that you believe that white cats talk to you. Not black cats, not ginger cats, not your average moggy, just white cats. You might be a bit antsy when the conversation turns to cats in general, but if you're asked to write a dissertation on the mating habits of the South Mongolian Lesser Spotted Tree Frog (okay, I made the last animal up), you will be as lucid as the next person. It all comes down to frame of reference. We all have a frame of reference and they all pretty much over lap. Where they don't then differences occur, which neatly (but inaccurately) explains why people are individuals. But people with mental health problems have frames of reference that are at a greater divergence than normal. That doesn't mean that their frame of reference doesn't overlap anybody else's, it just means that the shared area on the Ven diagram is slightly smaller than normal.--Stunteddwarf Jabba de Chops 00:21, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

The way modern psychiatric health is approached (with the DSM IV as one example) it's not sufficient that you think white cats talk to you. In the rest of healthcare it had been taken as an unwritten assumption that "if it's not a problem it's not a problem". So if person A finds that their itchy nose is really annoying, they have a medical problem, which you probably name in Latin, but it's essentially "itchy nose". If person B just scratches at it once in a while, and it doesn't bother them, they don't have this medical problem (The US mass media advertising for prescription medication is problematic because it tends to convert person B into person A, in a sense it's making people ill!). Modern psych approaches mental health in the same way. If the white cats tell you to kill people, and you find this troubling, or have difficulty ignoring these spurious instructions, THAT is a mental illness. But if they just say how nice the weather is, and don't cause you or those around you any problem, then it's merely an eccentricity. As usual there is some grey area here. If you lose a succession of girlfriends due to your bizarre habit of talking to cats as if they talk back, that's trending over towards mental illness because interfering with interpersonal relationships is a real problem. A professional may or may not conclude that the right way to fix this is to focus on your belief that white cats talk. 82.69.171.94 (talk) 09:45, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

I'm afraid I'd have to disagree with you there. To continue that above the example, it isn't that you think that white cats are talking to you, white cats are talking to you. That's psychosis and, unless it's being drug-induced at the time, is a mental health problem. How badly it affects you is immaterial to the diagnosis. It might affect the treatment, but not the diagnosis.--Stunteddwarf Jabba de Chops 10:42, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
Nah, the BON is right in the broad strokes. Delusions that don't cause problems with relationships, work, or other obligations don't rise to the threshhold of 'illness'. Plus there are a whole slew of social factors to consider; if your social group considers it 'normal' to hear messages from your dead relatives giving you advice from time to time, then hearing your dead relatives give you advice from time to time isn't going to be a problem (there will of course be exceptions). Does every person who thinks that a guy who rose from the dead 2k years ago and watches over them from the sky have a mental illness? You may think so, but our society as a whole doesn't agree. Not every conspiracy True Believer is mentally ill, even when their beliefs are demonstrably false. On one extreme, where someone can't hold a job or a relationship or maintain their own hygiene or health or obey social rules, we make a diagnosis of mental illness on that person's behalf, sometimes even when that person doesn't perceive a problem. On the other hand, some folks are personally profoundly troubled by thoughts or beliefs of their own that other people don't consider a problem, like self-hating homosexuals or the host of neurotics who seek out psychotherapy to analyze their motivations for every thought and action like a dog gnawing a bone. --Martin Arrowsmith (talk) 12:09, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
No. That's like arguing that a malignant melanoma that is easily excised and doesn't cause any problems to that person isn't, therefore, a cancer. That's bollocks. A mental illness is a mental illness, no matter how much of an impact it has on that person's life, and no matter whether that person's society is even capable of recognising it as a mental illness. Society used to think, and still does in certain parts of the world, that people who heard things or saw things were possessed. Does the belief of that society mean that the person in question must therefore be possessed? No, it means that the person in question is suffering from psychosis and, barring physical causes such as a brain tumour, is probably schizophrenic. That it isn't recognised as schizophrenia, and can't be recognised as schizophrenia by that person's society, doesn't mean that the person isn't suffering from schizophrenia and isn't suffering from a mental illness.--Stunteddwarf Jabba de Chops 12:55, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
Arguably, you're both right. If we assume that a given mental illness has a specific, reproducible complex of causes and symptoms (e.g. a specific organic glitch in the brain produces a specific complex of pathology) then a disorder can, and does, exist independent of social definitions. Where the social definitions become really important, though, is in preventing mental health professionals from being used as thought police. If the behaviors don't bother the individual, and don't represent a danger, then not defining them as a disorder and not intervening protects individual freedom (e.g. Jon has sexual feelings for other males, but that doesn't bother him, and it doesn't endanger anyone, so Jon is fine). Or that's the theory, anyway. Drek (talk) 13:42, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
I think Stunteddwarf's cancer example is unhelpful -- we're not talking about getting the melanoma excised and figuring that's OK then so what was the problem, but rather having something that doesn't cause any problems for the patient and those around them without treatment. There certainly are people who feel their deafness is now a defining element of their life and don't want it "fixed" but if I was struck deaf tomorrow I want that treated because it's going to mess up everything. As I said, this is an accepted principle in the rest of healthcare, but it really only struck home for psychiatric medicine after Rosenhan (Rosenhan sent volunteers to briefly fake a mild psychiatric symptom at various institutions. The institutions hospitalised them, and then, when they spontaneously "got better" diagnosed them with more and more serious illness, holding them indefinitely). 82.69.171.94 (talk) 15:40, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

[edit] What Ace Reckons

The very fact this topic is being discussed is a mental illness in itself. Ken is fucking peculiar. Big deal. PJR is far more certifiable. Give it up, liberals. Aceace 13:06, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

I agree. One thing more idiotic than doing mental self-diagnosis over the internet is trying to diagnose some stranger over the internet. I'm getting fed up with these constant discussions about the mental health of our sources of entertainment over at CP. People can easily be complete fucktards and morons without having a mental problem, you know. And even if there would be something there, you are not in a situation to make any kind of diagnosis. GTac (talk) 14:44, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
If you don't think Ken has severe mental problems, I know of an SEO magnate and freelance writer who could use a job. Occasionaluse (talk) 15:16, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
Quite. These internet diagnoses are Ad Hom Double Plus. Ajkgordon (talk) 18:20, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
Why pick on Ken? All the sysops at CP are nutters. Redchuck.gif ГенгисOur ignorance is God; what we know is science.Moderator 19:18, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
Well, they're all nutters, but some are more nuttery than others. Ken's fantasies seem to intrude on his output even more than the others' do. That said, I've no idea whether Ken suffers from any mental illness, but there's no doubt the boy is crazy. Phiwum (talk) 20:10, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

[edit] Latest blog post by someone even less important than Terry

So I don't have to give him page views, hereimg it is. A dream ticket of Cain and Gingrich? Uhm... άλφαΤαλκ 12:53, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

So much win in this post. To begin with: "A New Jersey Tea Party activist sounds a warning about Chris Christie's ambitions. Then he proposes his "dream ticket" for President: Herman Cain and Newt Gingrich." - does he thinks it lends more credence to his ideas if he talks about himself in the third person? Is it supposed to make us think that someone besides him actually supports his ideas? And Palin as secretary of the interior, because we "have more reserves than all the camel jockeys combined..." Excellent, Terry. Another quality ramble. (And since when did the United States become a third world nation? Methinks the facts speak otherwise.) άλφαΤαλκ 12:58, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
"Camel jockeys". Fuckin' classy. Phiwum (talk) 13:09, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
The blog post was not written by Terry. ONE / TALK 13:26, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
Meh, who cares if Terry Linkspam gets a few extra clicks. How much money do you think he makes out of that webshite in a year? Maybe enough to take Mrs. Linkspam to dinner, but probably not enough to buy a second bottle of wine. Godspeed (talk) 13:56, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
Er, I believe "Mrs. Linkspam" is deceased. Gently, gently... 173.10.105.29 (talk) 17:36, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
Wait... there's an advert for the Harry Potter box-set on his site. But... but... isn't that Satanic? --PsyGremlinHable! 14:11, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
Smart ads, it's for you, not for his site. --Opcn (with regards to regarding my regardliness) 20:45, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
@One - good point. Title updated. άλφαΤαλκ 14:14, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
A quick search beginning with the letter G on the name of the author yields some amusing results. Oldusgitus (talk) 14:15, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
...plaintiffs’ allegations that the tax on tanning salons discriminates against white individuals, that [Obamacare] violates the Posse Comitatus Act and the Fourth Amendment’s protection against unreasonable searches and seizures, and that the President cannot serve because he is not a United States citizen.
Priceless. Godspeed (talk) 14:38, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
OT: I once saw Deathly Hallows in the window of some Christian bookstore. Dunno if they sold it with matches included. Vulpius (talk) 16:46, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
"Chris Christie actually said, publicly, that he found it “disturbing” that New Jersey high school special education teacher Viki Knox posted on her Facebook that she believed homosexuality was a sin and described it as perverted. Since when is free speech “disturbing”? Should Americans accept only progressive opinions?"
The author claims this is evidence that Christie doesn't believe in first amendment rights, because he criticized the teacher. What the author is forgetting is that, yes, the teacher can make those comments as a first amendment right, but it also means you, I, or governor Christie can state we find such comments disturbing. The First Amendment protects your freedom of speech, it doesn't protect you from being criticized for it, not even from a government official.--BMcP - Just an astronomy guy 21:42, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
That's fairly typical among nutters, though. The First Amendment only applies to their speech, and they can't understand that it applies to everyone, not just people who share their own views. άλφαΤαλκ 22:37, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

[edit] AugustO returns

To humilate creepy uncle ed by using factsimg and pointing out creepy uncle ed's hypocrisy. This won't last long will it. Oldusgitus (talk) 13:30, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

Moments later he's back to shitting all over polishing that turdimg of a bible project. His next account should be PersistentO. ONE / TALK 13:44, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
And kenny baby pops in to join the funimg. Oldusgitus (talk) 13:55, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
He's not one to talk about fucking persistence. ONE / TALK 14:20, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

AugustO has a point: the translation by the CBP of some of these five versions sounds a little bit shitty! larronsicut fur in nocte 14:37, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

And andy showing, once again, his leadership qualities runs awayimg. Oldusgitus (talk) 07:23, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
I wonder how Andy would respond if only the original judge could overturn a sentence and there was no appeal to higher courts? And he calls himself a lawyer? Redchuck.gif ГенгисOur ignorance is God; what we know is science.Moderator 07:40, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
Especially cowardly because Andy was the party allegedly aggrieved by Andy's behavior. Doesn't look like AugustO will ever get the answers to his questions. Just another day at Conservapedia. Godspeed (talk) 14:05, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
Do sincere users use the term "sock"img, though? I heard that term so rarely before I came to CP/RW, but maybe that's because CP was my first experience with a wiki. άλφαΤαλκ 20:09, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
ones that know socks do. --il'Dictator Mikalosa (talk) 20:15, 29 October 2011 (UTC)

[edit] Ken once again shows his social skills

Really, there is little to add.img --Sid (talk) 21:46, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

The most telling part is that Kendoll isn't actually able to say what the "question evolution" campaign is actually doing. If anything. There's lots of talk about phoning churches in Texas, and commitments to hand out 2 million fliers, but in actuality nothing is happening at all. It's just like Kendoll's other little projects, all hot air and bluster. --JeevesMkII The gentleman's gentleman at the other site 22:23, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
He just got caught red handed in the fact the campaign is impotent. Instead of addressing why it hasn't netted any results, he attempts to accuse anyone interested as "an atheist in disguise"; because he has no way to defend the fact the campaign is a complete flop consisting only of vague promises by "people" to "pledge" to work on their behalf at some unspecified point in the future.--BMcP - Just an astronomy guy 22:43, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
So, QE! intends to cut Atheism by 50%? Are they running with the premise that the avreage Atheist thinks "Duhhhh hey, Evolution has a hole in it, Imma become a christian now".--Thunderstruck (talk) 22:52, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
Contact the UK office of Creation Ministries International about the campaign in the UK which is currently a campaign in the UK. - That right there made me get out of my seat to contemplate how anyone could type that. AndyToad.gifNorsemanCyser Melomel 23:37, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
Ken seriously needs this as a browser plugin. And yes, the entire QE! campaign is proving to be nothing more than "Uh... we made a flyer... do something with it, maybe?", wrapped in a thick layer of hype. And thanks to Ken, it's a layer of rather violent hype, what with Christianity being the fire that burns down your house, or an axe-wielding guy, and don't get me started on the war imagery like the "intense creation evangelism blitz"img which will... uh... bomb atheism...? --Sid (talk) 09:59, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
MandyC? What MandyC?img And now you see it, now you don't.img --Sid (talk) 19:57, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
But only after she commited treason by thinking women are better in government.img --ʤɱ anti-communist 20:32, 29 October 2011 (UTC)

[edit] Capping a funny comment.

hereimg B♭maj7 (talk) Member of the Kara Duhe fan club since 2010 01:33, 29 October 2011 (UTC)

I expect to hear "Andy: if you're enjoying something that's not Jesus, you're likely a liberal. And if you're enjoying Christianity, you're doing it wrong" 206.53.148.241 (talk) 04:11, 29 October 2011 (UTC)

Andy's anti-British/Englishimg (same thing according to him) rants make me laugh: "Unfortunately, British culture has continued to be influential on this side of the pond. The Beatles, Rolling Stones, Darwin, .... " Nice to see Andy give contemporary examples. Anyway, if that's British influence, I say more please. --Night Jaguar (talk) 04:58, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
More, minus the padding on lightposts for people on cellphones and the cameras, like, everywhere. Other than that, yes, please, more. Senator Harrison (talk) 05:08, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
"padding on lightposts"??????? Scream!! (talk) 05:20, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
What the hell is a lightpost, anyway? --TheEgyptiansig001.png 09:19, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
JFGI --Opcn (with regards to regarding my regardliness) 09:35, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
Mrs Worm (a chartered lighting engineer), if she read ths, would I am sure like me to point out that thost are 'lighting columns', and her official comment on the padding was 'don't be so fucking stupid'. Harsh but fair. Worm (talk) 10:51, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
Thank you, Opcn. Senator Harrison (talk) 15:17, 29 October 2011 (UTC)

[edit] Good article in New Scientist

Good article in this week's New Scientist (29/10/11). "Science in America: Decline and Fall". Advertised on the front cover as "Unscientific America: A Dangerous Retreat from Reason". CP not mentioned by name because there are many more, more influential loonies out there polluting public debate with nonsense! It's sadly not very encouraging about the prospects. It claims that the decline of public trust in science dates from the time that leading scientists began to have access to essentially secure research funding and no longer needed to discuss their work with the public. Is this true? Does the USA not have equivalents of David Attenborough, Brian Cox and even Dickie Dawkins? The Real James Brown (talk) 09:54, 29 October 2011 (UTC)

[edit] Chuckiebum wakes up

And only takes 5 editsimg to correct spelling mistakes that have been in the article for the past 11 1/2 months. And shockingly it's not linkspamming OR atlas shrugged related. Oldusgitus (talk) 12:17, 29 October 2011 (UTC)

Well, given that he is the self-appointed (or anointed) Head of the Conservative Bible Project, it's about time he got off his hurlbutt and did some work on it. --PsyGremlinZungumza! 12:29, 29 October 2011 (UTC)

[edit] Ed's working his "magic" again...

...so get ready to groan.

Quick, let's talk about... the origin of life on Earth!img And by that, Ed means evolution vs. Creationism. And not, you know, the origin of life.

I won't go into detail about all the groan-worthy moments since I feel that our local experts can dissect this thing with more grace than I could muster, so I'll just applaud Ed on actually writing an article that's longer than two lines, not just a quote, and not a pop culture article in a single edit, even with categories. In fact, the entire thing is so suspicious that I thought it's copypasted from somewhere, but my Google-fu for two snippets came up empty. Also nice to see something on CP that shows Ed's OEC POV shining through (as opposed to the purely YEC focused stuff you normally get from the likes of Ken, Andy and TerryH). Let's see how long it stays that way. --Sid (talk) 18:15, 29 October 2011 (UTC)

More interesting to me is that Ed removed the One Nation logoimg from the One Nation Rally page (with the explanation "Image really necessary?"). Because, you know, Trustworthy Encyclopedias only use unflattering images for liberals. Neutral images (like logos) are totally unnecessary. Good job, Ed! Phiwum (talk) 19:01, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
Most un-Ed-like having multiple links and categories (albeit two brand-new ones) and the whole thing done in one edit. Perhaps Ken could take a few lessons from Ed. Redchuck.gif ГенгисOur ignorance is God; what we know is science.Moderator 19:18, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
no commentary of Pipi Longstocking or Sailor Moon ? what happened to Ed ? Hamster (talk) 19:39, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
ok, who replaced Ed Poor ? This cannot be the work og the man who wrote "two meters" Hamster (talk) 19:48, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
@Ghengis. "Perhaps Ken could take a few lessons from Ed." Dear GOAT, can you imagine kenny baby getting films about pre-pubescent girls into his head? If ken EVER takes lessons from ed about anything then western civilisation is officially dooomed. Oldusgitus (talk) 21:05, 29 October 2011 (UTC)

Eddy apparently wanted to write on origins science and abortion, but an adorable 11 year old must have went by for some early trick-or-treating. Figures. Does he really do anything when he pops up there anyway?--Colonel Sanders (talk) 23:11, 29 October 2011 (UTC)

[edit] James joins the "lets be a dick" CP group

User: Why was i banned?imgJames: Bitch how dare you use multiple accounts!--il'Dictator Mikalosa (talk) 20:25, 29 October 2011 (UTC)

Monkey see, monkey do.--Colonel Sanders (talk) 23:08, 29 October 2011 (UTC)

[edit] Snow means global warming is false x1000

Andy has disproved liberal global warming because it snowedimg as no conservative scientist believes that warmer oceans leads to more snow. - π Moderator 23:41, 29 October 2011 (UTC)

Just putting that out there, Climate CHange proven right by koch funded scientist.--Thunderstruck (talk) 00:54, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
Saw that a week ago made me giggle. - π Moderator 00:56, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
Ed sees a perfect chance to kiss up to Andy by posting this gibberishimg on his talk page. άλφαΤαλκ 13:04, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
Ah good to see that Ed's back on form, following on from his magnum of pus above. How can one man be so dim and still breathe without cue cards? And yes, he has to suck up to Andy, let him know his loyal minion is around, even when he isn't the moment shit goes down. --PsyGremlinTala! 13:08, 30 October 2011 (UTC)

[edit] Homework?

Is it just me, or is it the case that Andy has not assigned or graded any homework since getting totally pwned on his shoddy grading and basic mistakes, what, two weeks ago? B♭maj7 (talk) Member of the Kara Duhe fan club since 2010 00:57, 30 October 2011 (UTC)

He just posted the midterm exam, tit head. It's on the main page, for christ sake. Think before you post, jackass. — Unsigned, by: 66.68.86.111 / talk / contribs
Thank you. That must be some of Christianity's love for and patience with your fellow man that you're displaying there. Tell me, what's it like to have never, ever made a mistake in your life before? Must be a pretty cool feeling. B♭maj7 (talk) Member of the Kara Duhe fan club since 2010 13:15, 30 October 2011 (UTC)

[edit] Midterm Exam

Ok, let's have a look at it.

  • Seems to be non-sexist, except for the chivalry questions at the end.
  • Lots of Jesus questions. In a history exam. And talk about spoon feeding - see Q4.
  • Nothing quite like asking "who's the greatest painter" and then only listing one.
  • "Celebrate in the end zone" I think Andy's been watching that Heath Ledger movie too much.
  • This is college standard? No essays, no insight questions - probably because Andy's too lazy to mark long answers and he's scared of them saying anything other that what he wants parroted back at him.--PsyGremlinSermā! 10:48, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
Linkimg for greater convenience. --Sid (talk) 11:43, 30 October 2011 (UTC)

[edit] What a fucking mess

I must have not read the index before: {{quotebox|

[edit] TerryH perfected the chain-pimping

Beautiful. Simply beautiful. --Sid (talk) 10:08, 30 October 2011 (UTC)

I'm guessing the rent is due and he needs those pennies the blog brings in. --PsyGremlinKhuluma! 13:10, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
Nah, he's simulating relevance. --ʤɱ pervert 13:23, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
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