Essay talk:Christianity and the 6th Commandment

The Sixth Commandment is "You will not murder"... it has nothing to do with other types of killing, such as execution, manslaughter, self-defence killings, wartime kililngs. As the Old Testament surely makes clear.

Should this be moved to "essay:"? ħuman 15:25, 6 August 2008 (EDT)

Prolly...opposition to the HPV vaccine is...complex. Merck has engaged in a rather icky marketing campaign which fuels the antivax crazies. There are Libertarians, Christians, antivax denialists, germ theory denialist, and a host of others who oppose the vaccine, both by words and deeds. -- -PalMD ^{--Yee haw!} 23:22, 6 August 2008 (EDT)

Oh, I forgot to explicitly mention theocratic wackaloony misogynist douchebags.-- -PalMD ^{--Yee haw!} 23:23, 6 August 2008 (EDT)

He's already in the article, Doc. ħuman 23:40, 6 August 2008 (EDT)

I say move to essay. Thunderkatz^Ho! 07:24, 7 August 2008 (EDT)

I thought you wanted it deleted. It seems you only wanted to delete a useless redirect. I deleted and later restored it. Oher Rationalwikians are welcome to improve the essay. Proxima Centauri 09:02, 8 August 2008 (EDT)

Oh, no, not deleted, preserved "somewhere", which ended up being here. Thanks for letting us know you want other editors to contribute, though. A few "see alsos" pointing here might be a good idea, too. ħuman 14:55, 8 August 2008 (EDT)

Currently this seems to cover only issues related to health and medicine (broadly-speaking). It would be interesting to cover toher issues such as war, executions, honour killings, murder etc. Babakathy 14:01, 8 August 2008 (EDT)

Go ahead, PC wants others to improve it, thanks! ħuman 14:59, 8 August 2008 (EDT)

Missing the point on HPV vaccine.

I don't know anyone who thinks that we should get rid of the HPV vaccine. My (and other people I know) opposition is to mandatory vaccination. --CPAdmin1 14:22, 8 August 2008 (EDT)

regluations prevent our children from getting sick for our own stupid decisions. There is no reason that a child should not be vaccinated for any of the major child illnesses other than stupidity, morality, or just shister information from lawyers who make money suing the vaccination industry for scientifically un-founded "accusations". By the by, suspected rates of things like "autism out of measles shots" is miniscule compared to the number of boys and girls who do not get life threating illnesses (well, until this year ofcourse, when we are seeing breakouts of virtually "dead" diseases.)--Waiting for Godot 10:35, 25 August 2008 (EDT)

Godot: Are you comfortable allowing our (American) government, either the current one or any of the possible future ones, to dictate to the population that they must allow themselves and/or their children to be injected with what ever the government decides to good for them to be shot up with? I'm not. Carptrash 10:40, 25 August 2008 (EDT)

When the lives and health of our kids are involved, when they are unable to be protected, hell yes I am. Otherwise beat them with a stick, if you want (child abuse would have no legitimate reason to be regulated in your view of the world), don't require them to be educated if the parents don't feel a particular child is worth the effort (and don't regulate home schooling at all, so a child can be abused by being left ill prepared to get a real job in the "real" world), do not mandate that children must be taken to doctors if they have a broken arm, when a parent's religion claims that "faith healing" will cure it, or that children should be belted into approved safety seats when mom feels her lap is "safe enough", cause she will "catch" the child. Children are unable to speak out, much less know what they are speaking out about - and have no way to say "my parent's view of the world threatens my future, my health, even my life."--Waiting for Godot 10:46, 25 August 2008 (EDT)

"(child abuse would have no legitimate reason to be regulated in your view of the world)"

Why is it that folks at places such as this seem almost addicted to telling me what my view of the world is? And what do you know, for example, about homeschooling, since you choose to bring it up? Probably a lot of rumor, innuendo and projection. Meanwhile, when some guy dressed in black shows up at your door informing you that the Republicans have just decided that you and your loved one need "this shot" you will just bend over? I don't remember the exact details but not too long ago Donald Rumsfeld's former company made a killing (financial, at least so far) when the government mandated some inoculation or another for all our troops - one that subsequently turned out to be less-than-useful. Don't be in such a hurry to give up rights because there is a whole oligarchy out there very interested in taking them. Carptrash 10:59, 25 August 2008 (EDT)

Some of us are old enough to remember polio. Thank goat for mandatory universal vaccination - and it's got to be mandatory otherwise you don't get herd immunity. Silver Sloth 11:55, 25 August 2008 (EDT)

Your strawman not withstanding, mandatory vaccination is the only way to control certain diseases. It has nothing to do with giving up rights, it has to do with not having to live in a world filled with debiliating crippling diseases. Failing to effectively vaccinate a population means that diseases that should be eradicated continue to exist around the periphery, and could evolve to break through the vaccine. Consider that Measles infections are up about 5 fold this year, purely because of vaccine hysterists refusing to get the MMR for their kids. Stile4aly 13:25, 25 August 2008 (EDT)

And we are not advocating just injecting anything, the vaccines must reach FDA approval and go through a vetting processes that examines risks and benefits. In order for your strawman to come about massive changes in regulation of approval of vaccines would need to occur. If I saw that the approval mechanism was being changed to support mandatory injections with completely unproven efficacy or no research into side effects I would oppose it. For someone bitching about people twisting your concepts you seem to do it pretty well to others. tmtoulouse ^irritate 13:35, 25 August 2008 (EDT)

In the UK TB is increasing, following its near eradication following child inoculation from post-war years. It only takes a low number of unimmunised individuals to hold a reservoir of infection which can explode after years of apparent absence.   ^Contribs_Talk 13:44, 25 August 2008 (EDT)

Aye, Herd immunity is an important concept that should not be overlooked. tmtoulouse ^irritate 13:58, 25 August 2008 (EDT)

Rape

This is an essay, so I don't think we are supposed to edit it, but I would like the author to mention something about rape. I find it reprehansible that people like andy say "well, girls who are Good and Pure (TM) don't need this drug until they are 18 anyhow, cause they won't be sexually active. 1 in 10 women is raped in her life, and something like 70 or 80% (it's been a long time since I've read this stat) is when they are "young" and "sexually appealing". Date rapes, rapes by friends of your brothers, and rapes that happen at parties are common settings for rapes of convienance/circumstance (ie., i wanted to have sex with the hot chick but she said no). Andy and his cronies must not talk with the women in thier lives and realize how serious a threat it is to be a 14 to 20something young woman.--Waiting for Godot 10:28, 25 August 2008 (EDT)

I don't think that Andy talks "with" anyone - more like "at". It's a one way street - listening (on his side) is not involved.   ^Contribs_Talk 11:52, 25 August 2008 (EDT)

We are not supposed to edit essays? Hmmmmm. Perhaps I need to use the revert or undo button. And go off and read the rules again. However it seems to me that the issue of Rape . ... all the issues surrounding it . . . . . ..... need to be addressed elsewhere. It is only a 6th Commandment issue in the most tangential way. Carptrash 10:45, 25 August 2008 (EDT)

Normally not, but the author (Proxima Centauri) invited other users to improve the essay above. --AKjeldsen^{Cum dissensie} 11:01, 25 August 2008 (EDT)

Whoooooops I just took my "improvements" out. Still, I am trying to be good, and one really should (opinion) know the rules before setting out to break them. Carptrash 11:09, 25 August 2008 (EDT)

If it's open for editing then it ought to be in some other namespace - it doesn't qualify as an Essay.   ^Contribs_Talk 11:57, 25 August 2008 (EDT)

If it ever becomes less essay-like and more like a good article it can be moved. Essays can have multiple authors, after all. ħuman 17:29, 25 August 2008 (EDT)

We should add this Raptard quote. Abortion is another way people play “God.” God says, “NO!” “What about in the case of rape?” God says, “NO!” “What about to save the life of the mother?” God says, “NO!” God does not allow His people to choose when morality applies. http://www.raptureready.com/faq/faq21.html

In the begining, God created... me. And He said I was awesome. 04:18, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

Death Penalty

Is there a basis for the claim in this essay that "In the US, many of the people who favor availability of the death penalty are Christians"? Of course, this could be true simply by the nebulous definition of "many" but I live in the US and know many atheists who support the death penalty (in my experience most people who support the death penalty do so because of a misplaced sense of anger or a desire for vengeance, not because of any ideology). The Catholic Church at any rate has officially opposed it for years, whereas many communist countries (which are by definition atheistic) still use the death penalty. I highly doubt religious affiliation is in any way an accurate predictor for whether an individual supports the death penalty. ^{— Unsigned, by: 141.219.227.235 / talk / contribs}

I would like to add that in the new testament there is a part that may be considered pro-death penality, it's said by christ himself, it was later interpreted about pedophilia

Christ: "But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it would be better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck and he were drowned in the sea." <Matthew 18:6>

but the original meaning may have been different, like only a metaphor about anyone who is a source of scandal (and corruption) for anyone who can be considered simple as child --Dnanaz (talk) 22:46, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

"Anyone who wants to improve it"

Not such a good idea, really. It's only getting worse. Oh well. For a bit I cared, then I noticed the namespace. ħuman 10:01, 3 October 2010 (UTC)