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Most threads moved from the Saloon Bar or elsewhere as indicated. Please use this space & avoid creating more forum dumps for the same purpose. WēāŝēīōīďWeaselly.jpgMethinks it is a Weasel 15:06, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

The Mind[edit]

The mind is not a thing! It is a metaphor. It cannot be diseased. Basic science. One can have a brain disease but not a mind disease! Ha! You retards. (talk) 04:10, 15 October 2014 (UTC)

How is a brain disease diagnosed and treated? How is a mind disease diagnosed and treated? Spot the difference. Science must rule. Not superstition. (talk) 04:16, 15 October 2014 (UTC)
Mental Health? What does that even mean? A rational debate is required. (talk) 04:18, 15 October 2014 (UTC)
Are you drunk? Stoned? What are you even trying to say? ShapeshiftingLizard ~▲~ hear me roar ~▲~ 04:25, 15 October 2014 (UTC)
No. Neither. Yet. I am trying to point out that your (RW) view on Thomas Szasz is irrational, superstitious and unscientific. My attempts to change have been met with ridicule. (talk) 04:31, 15 October 2014 (UTC)
I would like to contribute more to RW. My interests range from extended phenotypes and niche construction as well as quantum mechanics and tons of scientific stuff. But I will not until RW takes a true rational scientific view. A la Popper... etc. (talk) 04:35, 15 October 2014 (UTC)
But of course, every statement I make to this end causes me to be banned because it does not accord with this site's ideology... which is not rational? Dirk rules ok. (talk) 04:38, 15 October 2014 (UTC)
I thought this was supposed to be RATIONALWiki!
But seriously, what is wrong with the concept of mental illnesses? The mind is an actual thing, and is actually a physical object. It can be ill, just like any other body part. You were probably banned because your arguments sound rather trollish. ShapeshiftingLizard ~▲~ hear me roar ~▲~ 04:57, 15 October 2014 (UTC)
The mind is a thing? A physical object? Can you hold it in your hand? Do not show your stupidity in front of so many. Thanks. (talk) 05:00, 15 October 2014 (UTC)
Why ban me? Talking in the saloon bar? Why? How pathetic. I can use any IP address I want... just to see your censorship. Ha! (talk) 05:10, 15 October 2014 (UTC)
I see you found a free Wi-fi signal Dirk. Don't you have any offs to fuck? --Revolverman (talk) 05:12, 15 October 2014 (UTC)
I raise a valid question. Is your dogma sacrosanct? This site is worse than the fuckin creationists for censorship!!!! I can use any IP address I choose. (talk) 05:16, 15 October 2014 (UTC)
You call yourselves RationalWiki yet you subscribe to an extreme ideology. So ban me again. Ha! Pathetic. So pathetic. (talk) 05:23, 15 October 2014 (UTC)
I doubt you have the time to listen.. (talk) 05:32, 15 October 2014 (UTC)

Welcome back, Dirk. It's been a while. You're still wrong about mental illness, but it's nice to see you. RachelW (talk) 15:11, 15 October 2014 (UTC)
As someone suffering from mental illness, you have no damned idea what you're talking about. Sorry to feed the troll folks.. Jrock1203 (talk) 13:30, 17 October 2014 (UTC)
Do you know me and my experiences? As someone who has suffered from Creationism you have no damned idea what you are talking about? Where have you left your intellect? Ha! Sorry to feed the idiots. (talk) 08:23, 18 October 2014 (UTC)
It is so simple. One can have a disease of the brain. Diagnosed by scans, MRI, and under the microscope etc. Medical science. A disease of the mind is pseudo-science. Diagnosed by opinion only (DSM). What is it about science you do not understand? (talk) 08:35, 18 October 2014 (UTC)

What the fuck?[edit]

Can you blame me for being a determinist? Yes or no? (talk) 21:18, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

Dirk Steele made me do this.... against my better volition. (talk) 21:24, 14 December 2014 (UTC)
I used to think I was a combatulist. (talk) 21:30, 14 December 2014 (UTC)
I await... with baited breath.. a rational answer. (talk) 21:34, 14 December 2014 (UTC)
Is it inevitable that I make this statement? Although I did not mean to... (talk) 21:40, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

Psychiatry is a pseudoscience[edit]

Science depends on objective measurements, the results of which can be replicated. Discuss. (talk) 16:44, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

Hi, Dirk. Why don't you log in and fuck off for a while? CamelCasePragmatist (talk) 16:55, 9 December 2015 (UTC)
In the UK Chiropractic and Homeopathy are now considered pseudosciences. Why not psychiatry? Why not engage with me rather than telling me to fuck off? What are you afraid of? Discourse? Censor me by all means. (talk) 16:58, 9 December 2015 (UTC)
Ignoring a host of philosophical problems on "measurements", why do you say objective measurements aren't possible in psychiatry? Carpetsmoker (talk) 17:02, 9 December 2015 (UTC)
I did not say they are not possible. Just that they are not used. You must be aware that in the old Soviet Republic (sic) that those who disagreed with communism were declared to have a mental disease and locked away. (sluggish schizophrenia was the diagnosis). Does this happen in the USA? So for example.. give me the objective measurement to determine say ADHD or Bipolar disease. What about ODD.. Oppositional Defiance Disorder? Just want to discuss... Persuade me otherwise. (talk) 17:07, 9 December 2015 (UTC)
Are you,, perhaps a Scientologist?---Mona- (talk) 18:02, 9 December 2015 (UTC)
No. I am an atheist Taoist. I also attempt to be logical and rational and believe that the scientific method is human being's best attempt to describe reality. So why have I been censored? Is this site akin to a creationist one? No dissent allowed. Please prove to me this is not the case. Thanks. . (talk) 18:08, 9 December 2015 (UTC)
I would be grateful that instead of personal attacks on me, we can discuss the issue like adults. Am I an optimist? (talk) 18:19, 9 December 2015 (UTC)
You are not being censored. Please keep your replies within the collapse code, but note that this does not constitute censorship. My conversations have on occasion been collapsed as well. Moreover, no one here is required to "prove" anything to you. Rather, you should read some articles here, the accompanying talk pages, and see how disagreements about edits are thrashed through. ---Mona- (talk) 18:24, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

erm... I have only discussed these issues in the Saloon. I have not attempted to change any page of yours at all. Discussion with User:Dirk Steele has proven to be a monumental waste of time. Before engaging, have a scan of his contribution history and talk page. CamelCasePragmatist (talk) 18:22, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

I do know that I am stupid. I cannot see the obvious.. So please can you use a logical rational argument so improve my education. Thanks. Is there anyone on this site that can have a sensible debate with me? Instead of insults? I am willing to change my mind. Thanks. (talk) 18:35, 9 December 2015 (UTC)
Of course... I have the sufficient education to change my IP address when needed. Your attempts at censorship can be thwarted at will. But I chose not to. I would prefer rational debate. Thanks. (talk) 18:44, 9 December 2015 (UTC)
So I presume no-one here is capable of a rational discussion? I would have thought most of you here have the intellect to destroy my hypothesis. So why not do it? (talk) 18:48, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

You actually edit-conflicted me. Twice. Also, you may not be aware of it, but it's it the middle of the workday in the US, where most of RW's posters are. I'm only on because I work evening shift and I'm getting ready for work. Maybe you should take that into account before going "Well? I'm WAAAAIIII-TING". Here you are, a good-faith response.
Pretty much, no. It doesn't happen in the US, and certainly not to the degree of the Soviet Republic because the US isn't a totalitarian state. The US government chose laziness as the path of wisdom and mostly lets people talk whatever shit they want about the government without organized repercussion.
There's the diagnostic criteria in the manual used as the reference on these things, and mostly they're "when X behavioral traits become a barrier to normal interaction with society and personal happiness." A small bit of paranoia is one thing, being so afraid of Them getting you that you can't sleep is a problem. Having bad memories is one thing, but freezing and screaming when you hear someone slap a cardboard box to make a booming/popping sound and feeling like you're actually reliving war experiences is called Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder.
I was diagnosed ADHD at a young age because of a preponderance of evidence--behavioral traits, results of an MRI, and the fact that stimulant medication actually calmed me down--that added up to me being ADHD as hell. I've been diagnosed ADHD for more than 20 years, and I still am. I've just gotten older and better able to keep a leash on myself to function in polite society without the meds, which I just couldn't do ten and fifteen years ago.
My best friend, he's bipolar. He fits the diagnostic criteria, takes medication when it gets really bad. Watches himself a lot--I've seen him remove himself from social situations that would trigger a whole bunch of crazy getting unleashed--someone being obnoxious, loud music he doesn't like, things that would call
On the other hand, my cousin's wife is bipolar but refuses to follow treatment like "take medication" and "try to remember that you have a condition which causes extreme spikes of emotion". They had an argument once on the subject, he left the house, drove down the road, got in the quiet end of a supermarket parking lot to sit and listen to the radio and calm down. She spent thirty minutes in a rage, then got in HER car and found him and deliberately rammed his car with hers.
Contrary to what you imply, the disorders ARE researched and measured. Brainscans of PTSD sufferers found that the amgydala and other portions of the brain that deal with fear are almost always markedly enlarged. ADHD and Bipolar are thanks to chemical imbalances--seratonin, dopamine, all those fun little chemicals that keep us ticking along until they get thrown out of whack. That's actually how ADHD works: The brain doesn't produce enough...I believe it's seratonin. Shows up in response to outside stimulation, etc. So the brain begins looking for stimulation everywhere, fighting against staying still. Stimulant medication that nudges the brain into producing more seratonin actually calms an ADHD down. But not every potential ADHD twelve-year-old has a sample of the brain chemistry taken. The underlying cause of the ADHD has been studied and correlated until they can be fairly sure what's happening in a case.--Maxus (talk) 19:08, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

"The underlying cause of the ADHD has been studied and correlated until they can be fairly sure what's happening in a case."

Scientific citation required. Ok I accept you have a brain disease that affects your thinking. Why should I take notice? You have a brain disease!! Your mind is, as you admit, disordered. Can I have a discussion with someone who is mentally healthy please? Unfortunately anecdote is not science. Thanks. (talk) 19:19, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

Ok.. being ironic here.. but can you answer my statement. Thanks. (talk) 19:32, 9 December 2015 (UTC)
Hey mate, autist, aspie, and ADHD sufferer here, and former rabbit-hole dweller here. My minds defective by your standards, so you probably wont listen, but psychology is the only reason I'm sane as we speak, and not one of These Guys and your insistence it's pseudoscience makes you ableist scum and I'd like to ask you to fuck off, would you kindly?--Pokefrazer (talk) 19:42, 9 December 2015 (UTC)
I have a spinal injury. I am disabled. If you want me to fuck off... then give me a reason why. I do not insist. Thanks. (talk) 19:56, 9 December 2015 (UTC)
A spinal injury has nothing to do with psychology. I will retract my ableist accusation (for now), but you are claiming the very field of science keeping me sane is all pseudoscience, which needless to say, will not strike anyone who is mentally disabled the right way.--Pokefrazer (talk) 20:02, 9 December 2015 (UTC)
Ok. You have told us that you have a mental disease. That your brain does not work properly. I sympathise with you. But since you are a mentally disabled person... why should I think that your statements are worthy of consideration? Let me know. Thanks. P.S. I am Jesus and Krishna and the Buddha. (talk) 20:15, 9 December 2015 (UTC)
Because that doesn't make me stupid, and I don't need your sympathy. You're literally discriminating between us, and the BoN before you was touting his spinal injury to justify his Ableism. If psychology helped me overcome my disabilities, then it's not pseudoscience and anyone without what you brand a "Mental Disease" would say the same. Now shoo, rodent!--Pokefrazer (talk) 20:25, 9 December 2015 (UTC)
I had x-rays and an MRI scan which showed objectively that I have a problem with my spine. Please let me know the scientific evidence that has resulted in you having a brain disease which means that you cannot think like a normal human being. . Thanks (talk) 20:31, 9 December 2015 (UTC)
First of all, Neither autism, aspergers, nor ADHD is a "brain disease" in the sense you claim. Second, I'm not obliged to show you that info due to the personal info about me with it. Third, if you're one of These guys, kindly fuck off for the third time, because your definition of evidence is not in the scope of Science--Pokefrazer (talk) 20:39, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

Male circumcision (or genital mutilation) is child abuse[edit] (talk) 19:13, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

== Male circumcision (or genital mutilation) is child abuse ==

Is it not time it was made illegal? (talk) 18:55, 9 December 2015 (UTC) (talk) 19:01, 9 December 2015 (UTC)
The video's blocked. What does it say? Ɀexcoiler Кingbolt: hablale a este hijo de la verga! Look! 19:03, 9 December 2015 (UTC)
Yes. It is child abuse and it is time it was made illegal. Now; quiet you. Reverend Black Percy (talk) 19:10, 9 December 2015 (UTC)
OK I will shut up. (talk) 19:26, 9 December 2015 (UTC)
And please - make your edits inside the topic you made; or you end up outside of your collapse box. And we wouldn't want that, would we now? *pinches cheek* Reverend Black Percy (talk) 19:30, 9 December 2015 (UTC)
Sorry. I am an old geezer.. sometimes I cannot cope with the new technology. (talk) 19:36, 9 December 2015 (UTC)
Just 'cause we're old and gray doesn't mean we can't have some fun... Reverend Black Percy (talk) 19:46, 9 December 2015 (UTC)


Who is this guy[edit]

Can I ask who the hell this fuckwit is? Because he's already made me lose my patience--Pokefrazer (talk) 20:41, 9 December 2015 (UTC)