Fun:Counters & Comebacks

Homophobia[edit]

A: "If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads." — Leviticus 20:13

B: "Then Zipporah took a flint and cut off her son’s foreskin and threw it at Moses’ feet, and she said, “You are indeed a bridegroom of blood to me.” - Exodus 4:25

Soy boys[edit]

A: Soy turns men into women!

B: If that were true, then why do trans people pay for gender reassignment surgery when they could just consume soy instead? Why must cis women with testosterone/estrogen imbalance take birth control pills when they can just drink soy milk?

Objective morality[edit]

A: Morality isn’t subjective; it’s objective, because it comes from God!

B: But that doesn’t make it objective; God just becomes the subject then.

A: Morality comes from God

B: So are things morally right because God approves of them, or does God approve of things because they are morally right? (Euthyphro dilemma)

A: If your morality doesn’t come from God, then where does it come from?

B: Epistemology, normative ethics, universal reasoning, empathy, logic, etc.

A: So your morals are just based on your own personal philosophy?

B: Yes, just like how your morals are just based on your own personal theology.

A: But if God doesn’t determine morality, then you just have moral relativism.

B: But even in the Bible, morality is relative. For instance, if a person were to burn someone alive for having premarital sex or getting a tattoo, that person would be considered evil. However, when God sends people to Hell to burn for eternity for doing the same activities, it is considered justified merely because God is the one doing it. That means morality is not determined by actions, but rather who is performing those actions (in other words, relativism).

A: If God is real, then that makes morality objective.

B: Well, not necessarily. Does God tell us what morality is, meaning that morality exists independently of God, or is morality what God tells us, meaning God determines what morality is? If the former, that would be objective. If the latter, that would be subjective.

A: God is good.

B: How do you know God isn’t evil?

A: Because it’s impossible for God to be evil. He can only do good things by his very nature.

B: But that doesn’t mean God can’t do things that are “evil.” That just means that when God does something “evil,” it nominally can’t be considered “evil” due to the technicality that it’s impossible for God to do anything that isn’t “good.” So no matter what God does, it has to be labeled “good” because it’s not allowed to, by definition, be labeled anything else. Similarly, if we had an advanced super-computer that was defined by its “inability to generate a wrong answer,” and it gives the output “5” to the input “what’s 2+2?” then 5 would have to become the right answer, since the computer, by definition, can’t give wrong answers.

Religion[edit]

A: You’re gonna burn in Hell!

B: To be honest, there are so many brilliant scientists down there that it’s probably air-conditioned by now.

A: You’re going to Hell!

B: I’m already here.

A: X is the one true religion!

B: There’s 4,300 religions and still counting, but yeah, I’m sure the one you coincidentally believe in is the true one.

A: *cites prophecies and predictions in the Bible happening as evidence for why the Bible is true*

B: Prophecies coming true become less amazing once you take into account how non-specific most of them are, how exact dates are never specified (ensuring that the prophecy is bound to match some real-life event as the more time passes), and how a lot of the ones that came true were within human control (like the Third Temple being built in Jerusalem by people who were clearly influenced by the Bible)

A: Are you seriously gonna say it’s just a coincidence?

B: Well, would you say that Edgar Allan Poe is a prophet because the exact plot to one of his stories came true a decade later, or would you seriously say that’s just a coincidence?